Oppose Gay Marriage and you are considered a Racist

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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...geid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1149717019580

Margaret Somerville is a well-known Montreal ethicist who holds a slew of honorary degrees — and strong opinions against same-sex marriage.

Her views have generated controversy, enraged gay-rights activists, attracted hate mail and even prompted protests during her classes at McGill University.

As she gets ready to accept yet another honorary degree, this time from Ryerson University — located near the heart of Toronto's gay community and on the eve of Pride Week — the controversy has followed her here.

So much so that even she's concerned opposition to her views might overshadow "a very special day for the students who are graduating."

Members of Toronto's gay community have already launched an online petition and letter-writing campaign to the university to "disinvite" Somerville.

And they're promising to protest the June 19 ceremony, scheduled just hours before the rainbow flag is to be raised at Toronto City Hall to kick off annual Pride Week festivities.

The situation highlights the difficulties universities, which are meant to be bastions of free thinking, face in awarding honorary degrees to well-known academics with strong beliefs on highly charged topics.

Somerville — who says her opinions come from a secular, non-partisan perspective — has written and spoken out during the national debate on same-sex marriage. She rejects the suggestion she's anti-gay, but rather says she believes marriage is primarily about having children and respecting their right to have both a mother and a father
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Ryerson president Sheldon Levy says the ceremony will go ahead, in part because of the obligation a university has "to free speech and to respect academic freedom, even when the subject matters are difficult and challenging."

Mandy Ridley of RyePRIDE, the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered organization at the downtown Toronto university, said "it's really disappointing that Ryerson wants to give this individual an honorary degree. We hope they will do the right thing and stop this.

"There's nothing honorary about homophobia," added Ridley, whose group is behind the petition and letter-writing campaign.

Levy said the decision to award Somerville an honorary degree was made by the awards and ceremonial committee of the university's academic council "based on her academic work in medical ethics."

After hearing the complaints, Levy said he spoke to the academic council and to Somerville before the decision was made to continue.

"It's not meant to be hurtful. It was never meant to be disrespectful," he said in an interview yesterday. "Ryerson is an open and tolerant community that celebrates diversity and believes in equality."

But critics say the university's reputation for tolerance will be seriously compromised — that giving Somerville an honorary degree sends all the wrong messages for a university on the doorstep of Canada's largest gay community, especially during Pride Week celebrations and on the eve of a reopening of the national political debate on same-sex marriage.

"It just points out how far we still have to go as a community if something like this could be seen as being acceptable by a significant university in a major city," said Rev. Brent Hawkes of the Metropolitan Community Church, who performed Canada's first gay-marriage ceremony.

He plans to invite Levy to visit his church the day before the ceremony; Levy said if the call comes, he will go.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said last week there will be a free vote in Parliament on same-sex marriage this fall. MPs will be asked if they want to reopen discussion on the divisive issue.

"I don't think same-sex marriage is a good idea," Somerville said in an interview from Montreal. "But I haven't got any problems at all with being gay or standing up for the rights of gay people, and certainly and totally agree that the discrimination they've suffered in the past has been absolutely horrible."

Somerville — who is also slated to give the high-profile and nationally broadcast Massey Lectures sponsored by the University of Toronto in October — said
she disagrees with same-sex marriage proponents that parenting can be "gender-neutral."



Children get valuable genetic traits from each of their opposite-sex parents, something not possible with two mothers or two fathers, she said.

"It's about kids' rights,"
Somerville said, adding this honorary degree — her fifth — is "special" because it's a doctorate of science and thus recognizes the importance of ethics in that field.

Somerville said those in the gay community "want to vilify me" because she offers another viewpoint in the debate — a person can oppose discrimination against homosexuals but still not support same-sex marriage.

Councillor Kyle Rae, whose ward includes Ryerson and the gay district, said the decision to give Somerville a degree "reeks of an academic ivory tower process" that doesn't understand the message it sends about tolerance and equality. While making it clear that he's still calling on Levy to withdraw the honorary degree, Rae said if it goes ahead, the university must "clearly state that they do not in any way support the positions she's taken" on the same-sex marriage debate.

He'd also like to see rainbow flags, the symbol of gay pride, raised at the graduation ceremony.

"I hope they make it so abundantly clear that it's uncomfortable for her."
This is like the episode of the Twillight zone where you wake up the same but everyone around you have changed. I don't think there is any other city in the world were feminism and homosexuality rule with an iron fist then in Toronto.
 

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I think the majority of people who oppose it are just afraid to speak out for fear of being shouted down by the group. It's just not PC, and people don't have the balls anymore to rock the boat, so to speak. All the sheeple just follow the path of least resistance, which is conformity to popular opinion. Whether that opinion is that the earth is flat, or that gay marriage is beneficial to society...
 

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Children get valuable genetic traits from each of their opposite-sex parents, something not possible with two mothers or two fathers, she said.
Am I misunderstanding this quote?
 

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Porky said:
Children get valuable genetic traits from each of their opposite-sex parents, something not possible with two mothers or two fathers, she said.
Am I misunderstanding this quote?
Indeed it says "genetic" traits. But what does that have to do with gay marriage? Gay couples cant magically create a baby using only one gender's material... so I don't get that quote either.
 

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Stuff like this makes my head hurt.

Children get valuable genetic traits from each of their opposite-sex parents, something not possible with two mothers or two fathers, she said.
I have to agree with this statement. If she should be protesting anything, it should be gay couples raising children, not the gay marriage itself. If gay people need a license to fvck each other up the ass and wear dildos, let them obtain it.

Slightly off topic, here's an interesting report that really pissed off the gay community:
Two straight men are getting married in Canada, which has recently allowed same-sex marriage -- for the tax benefits.
 

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Espi said:
I don't understand opposition toward gay marraige...what the hell does it matter? If both individuals are responsible enough and raise their children to respect others, etc., why oppose it?

If the worry is about children having an intact family, slowing divorce rates would help out a lot more kids than preventing gay marriage. So that's just cover.

I tend to think it is in fact about "hicks" and "fags."
 

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I'm in favor of gay rights, but I agree with her about raising children. Ideally, children should be raised by both a mother and father. A loving environment is important, and I'm sure that gay couples can provide that, but having both masculine and feminine role models is also very important. Gay couples cannot provide that (having one butch and one girly does not count :rolleyes: ).

I think divorsed and single parents are an even worse environment and more should be done to remedy problems leading to those situations. It can be done because nobody ideally wants a divorse or to be a single parent.

Regardless, raising children shouldn't be a reason to prohibit gay marrage. I believe that gay couples should have the same legal rights as straight couples, but adopting children should be a separate issue.

Children get valuable genetic traits from each of their opposite-sex parents, something not possible with two mothers or two fathers, she said.
I think they made a mistake with this quote...substitute "cultural" for "genetic" and it makes a lot more sense.
 

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Espi said:
I don't understand opposition toward gay marraige...what the hell does it matter? If both individuals are responsible enough and raise their children to respect others, etc., why oppose it?
If the issue was really about adults being responsible, they'd have to ban marriage altogether.
 

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Technically you can't make a law banning gay marriage. It's one of those ist deals, like sexist, racists. I'm not sure if it would be sexual preferencist or what. Also, you can't argue that the bible says, because you can't make a law acknowledging the establishment of any religion. Finally, you can't ban it because "they don't work" because like mentioned above, marriage would have to be banned all together.

This is an issue that shouldn't be an issue at all. Allow them to get married, and be done with it. You don't like it? Just think of two guys getting married as a really manly woman, and a man. Two girls? Ones a really girly man. Just think of it that way.

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DJDamage said:
I don't think there is any other city in the world were feminism and homosexuality rule with an iron fist then in Toronto.
Exhibit A: San Francisco, CA
 

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I could give a f*ck about gay Marriage. I definately don't buy in to the whole role model for hetro spouses because lord knows there are some pretty rotten parents IN THE SAME ROOM WITH ME right now! Plus there have been TONS of straight single parents living with a room mate of the same sex watching their child. Although you could argue that the two parties still date people of the opposite sex, it can also be the case that neither of them date at all. And why shouldn't gay people have the right to be as miserable as the rest of the people in the country with marriage?
 

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Families are the foundation of civilization. Right now the family unit is breaking down. We have children out of wedlock, single mothers everywhere, all of this stuff leads to poverty, children in foster homes, children growing up without a father/mother which increases the chances he will be disfunctional and will not succeed.

The decline of marriage is a whole domino effect (negative effects) on our society. You can blame feminism for turning women into little princesses who won't submit to their husbands. This is what leads to divorce.
 

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I don't think anyone is blaming gays for the degradation of society. It can, however, be argued that gay couples raising children is just another problem waiting to happen.
 

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Shiftkey said:
I don't think anyone is blaming gays for the degradation of society. It can, however, be argued that gay couples raising children is just another problem waiting to happen.
With gays as with interracial couple, it's not the couples that have the problem; it's always the "other people" that have a problem with it.
 

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Shiftkey said:
I don't think anyone is blaming gays for the degradation of society. It can, however, be argued that gay couples raising children is just another problem waiting to happen.
how can you argue this when it has hardly been tried?

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Stuff like this makes my head hurt.



I have to agree with this statement. If she should be protesting anything, it should be gay couples raising children, not the gay marriage itself. If gay people need a license to fvck each other up the ass and wear dildos, let them obtain it.

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I really hope you don't, since that quote makes no sense.
 

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Porky said:
how can you argue this when it has hardly been tried?
I haven't tried jumping off a cliff, but I know it's not a good idea :rolleyes:

Francisco d'Anconia said:
With gays as with interracial couple, it's not the couples that have the problem; it's always the "other people" that have a problem with it.
The problem is the childrens', not the parents'. The problem is growing up in a household without a father or mother, and being OK with it.
 

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Shiftkey said:
I haven't tried jumping off a cliff, but I know it's not a good idea :rolleyes:

no. but somebody has, and there is evidence that jumping off a cliff is a bad idea. I would like to see some kind of proof that gays raising children hurts them and is bad for society.
 

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Shiftkey said:
I haven't tried jumping off a cliff, but I know it's not a good idea :rolleyes:



The problem is the childrens', not the parents'. The problem is growing up in a household without a father or mother, and being OK with it.
Have you ever raised children? All they need is nurturing and education on how to become productive adults. ANYONE can provide this to them if they are capable; men, women, old, young, culturally different of even not their biological parents, it doesn't matter. It's inept adults that cause the problem, no matter their sexual preference.
 
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