Opinions on paying for sex and other things

[cervantesscthree]

Around me and the few other game-aware people I know, paying for sex has always been one of the lowest things you can do. I got into a debate with a woman I know on the subject of prostitution and human trafficking. I stressed to her that if there were no customers there would be far less prostitutes and the market for human trafficking would drop - I strongly believe this as people I know who have paid for sex have done it because they have been hopelessly unable to get sex any other way, also, the only time it ever crossed my mind to pay for sex was when I was a virgin and had pressure to get laid, but besides that - the woman I was debating with didn’t acknowledge my solution and wouldn’t recognise it as one. She just wasn’t hearing me.

I want to know if anyone else agrees that knowledge of game, being able to meet and attract women (I had to squeeze that in ), would prevent the amount of men using hookers. I would go as far to say that game can even save lives, for women especially; men knowing that there are other, available, options can reduce the frustrating, desperate and possessive feelings many men have towards their partners and women. This would result in less harm being done in relationships and to people in general, it’s what I believe. I want to know what others think as I’m going to see this woman again so I could do with having more ammo to back up my statements.

 

[skinnyguy]

I dont need game to get fat women. The question is how to get a hot woman.

I might get an HB 9 Latina prostitute. I seem to have no luck with Latinas no matter what I do. They are very family oriented (unlike me) and only want thugs.

Even with game, hookers will have customers because men are so addicted to sex.

 

[Mike32ct]

Around me and the few other game-aware people I know, paying for sex has always been one of the lowest things you can do. I got into a debate with a woman I know on the subject of prostitution and human trafficking. I stressed to her that if there were no customers there would be far less prostitutes and the market for human trafficking would drop - I strongly believe this as people I know who have paid for sex have done it because they have been hopelessly unable to get sex any other way, also, the only time it ever crossed my mind to pay for sex was when I was a virgin and had pressure to get laid, but besides that - the woman I was debating with didn’t acknowledge my solution and wouldn’t recognise it as one. She just wasn’t hearing me.

I want to know if anyone else agrees that knowledge of game, being able to meet and attract women (I had to squeeze that in ), would prevent the amount of men using hookers. I would go as far to say that game can even save lives, for women especially; men knowing that there are other, available, options can reduce the frustrating, desperate and possessive feelings many men have towards their partners and women. This would result in less harm being done in relationships and to people in general, it’s what I believe. I want to know what others think as I’m going to see this woman again so I could do with having more ammo to back up my statements.

Very interesting thread. I will avoid my usual looks vs. game debate and just assume that game works for the purposes of this discussion.

Yes, I agree that plenty of men use hookers because they can't get women or at least it would be Herculean effort to get one that passes the boner test. We aren't talking about the wealthy or handsome guy who just wants to rent some variety or an easy score or a hotter than normal chick. We are talking about the "incel" or involuntary celibate man.

No doubt that relieving some male frustration may reduce violence and the need for prostitution. We know that most women loathe the idea of prostitution. They focus on the human trafficking and exploitation angle, AND they don't like guys having an alternate way to get sex without relationship commitment.

But you said that she wouldn't "acknowledge" or "hear" your suggestion. She refused to consider "game?" I do think that most women do not believe in game. At the very least, women don't think it is teachable and learnable. They might acknowledge that some guy is "charismatic," but they don't think of it as something teachable to some incel guy.

Women also loathe the idea of many, many men becoming "sargers" trying to get laid. All they can think of is many "telemarketer" types trying to "game" her and her gfs in the club.

So, honestly, I think it will be a very difficult SELL to convince a female that "game" is the answer to male celibacy.

 

[cervantesscthree]

Yes, I agree that plenty of men use hookers because they can't get women or at least it would be Herculean effort to get one that passes the boner test. We aren't talking about the wealthy or handsome guy who just wants to rent some variety or an easy score or a hotter than normal chick. We are talking about the "incel" or involuntary celibate man.

No doubt that relieving some male frustration may reduce violence and the need for prostitution. We know that most women loathe the idea of prostitution. They focus on the human trafficking and exploitation angle, AND they don't like guys having an alternate way to get sex without relationship commitment.

But you said that she wouldn't "acknowledge" or "hear" your suggestion. She refused to consider "game?" I do think that most women do not believe in game. At the very least, women don't think it is teachable and learnable. They might acknowledge that some guy is "charismatic," but they don't think of it as something teachable to some incel guy.

Women also loathe the idea of many, many men becoming "sargers" trying to get laid. All they can think of is many "telemarketer" types trying to "game" her and her gfs in the club.

So, honestly, I think it will be a very difficult SELL to convince a female that "game" is the answer to male celibacy.

Precisely, we're talking about the average Joe. Wow, that part I've put in bold never crossed my mind until now, but yes I agree with you: women don't like that, and I would also say that's why they have beef with porn stars.

Yeah she just went: "mmhm" or kept quiet whenever I talked about it, and I suggested it a lot, around five times, but she would move the convo on and continue to moan about the issue, or say: "yeah but that won't stop it." WTF? She even ignored what I said about the culture of putting women on a pedestal needing to stop, as well as teaching men that their ultimate goal in life is to get married.

Yes women don't think it's learnable or teachable at the least, but I even brought up an example of a friend of mine who wasn't game aware and had paid for sex, after I had spent 3 years with him in university, and finally opened his eyes, he wouldn't dream of the idea, but again, she wasn't hearing me! I know she finds me attractive and I could sleep with her in no time, I even teased her about this explicitly and all she did was giggle, but she STILL won't accept game as a viable option.

This bothers on the larger scale, as if more men, or young boys, were made game aware to some extent (even if they were only taught to live for their ambition rather than women) then the improvements would be immense, but I'm certain that too many people find this idea laughable and silly.

This ignorance of game is genuinely ruining lives and undoubtedly causing some women to genuinely, including women who have been trafficked, suffer horribly. And it's funny how women think their tactics will end prostitution, but when I come with a man's solution, I get ignored. Throughout this issue the customers, paying men, are not given enough attention as part of the problem, the focus is mainly on the horrors that have been done against the women as a result.

 

[foreverAFC]

i dunno man, look at guys like charlie sheen, he could get women without paying for them, but he prefers to pay in order to cut to the chase.

 

[LMFAO]

There's nothing wrong for (directly) paying for sex as long as the women are not trafficked or coerced into it. It's popular in many parts of the world, the escort scene and much of the time you will get better sex than you would ever get from any girlfriend - they are experts in it after all.

Many Americans have this view of it being really seedy (and it is if it's some woman in a street corner) when in reality much of it is escorts renting out rooms in posh hotels who do it out of choice, are cleaner than the average slu* from a club.

It will not help you in developing your game, but in knowing how to have great sex is important. There is nothing wrong with it, just don't depend on it as your only option.

 

[IBreatheSpears]

If I had a lot of disposable income I would probably pay escorts on a regular basis and just game girls when I wanted something other than sex.

But I'm poor, and needs must.

p.s. If more men paid prostitutes and otherwise quit pursuing women altogether, or simply did it less, it would dramatically lower the difficulty for whosoever chose to keep to the old ways.

 

[Poop1337]

A lot of alpha men pay for sex Charlie Sheen and CEO types etc. so it's not all losers paying for sex. Also women are choosing to become more and more whorish in places like Germany where prostitution is legal it won't be long till the girl next door who is fresh faced and young hb8+ will be looking to try out prostitution for $50 a **** at that price even guys who can get easily laid might just do this instead and at that point not being an AFC is handy cause hookers and sugar babies etc all these girls try to take advantage of
Chumps. Also don't talk game with girls or have hooker arguments lol. As others have pointed out human trafficking is bs propaganda often times to shut down what should be a legal profession. I don't agree with women being hookers or it being good to use them necessarily but fck the government it's a holocaust on men with all these laws

 

[Stugots26]

Remember, the main goal of feminism is to maximize constraints on male sexuality while minimizing constraints on female sexuality.

As the modern cesspool of feminism took root, but before game began prospering, women had clearly defined categories of men. They had the beta providers and the sexy alphas. It was easy for them to have sex with an alpha and foist the offspring on an unsuspecting beta provider, which is clearly their end game (and for anyone who thinks this isn't true, try discussing the merits of mandatory paternity testing with a woman and see how pissed she gets). Game has allowed some betas to convincingly cloak themselves with alpha traits and has made it more difficult for women to clearly distinguish the categories. Women hate ANYTHING that removes a woman's power and sexual choice over her sexual partners and empowers a man instead (and for anyone who thinks this isn't true, try discussing the merits of a male birth control pill with a woman) - hence the anger toward game.

 

[IBreatheSpears]

for anyone who thinks this isn't true, try discussing the merits of a male birth control pill with a woman

Depends on the woman. Even feminists aren't agreed on this, there are actually a lot who support it because it shares the responsibility of contraception more fairly. I know a few quite ardent feminists who support the male contraceptive pill because they believe it's unfair for the woman to be responsible. I disagree with the reason -- the real reason for a male contraceptive pill is because women can't be trusted -- but I'll disagree silently while I have people supporting my desires who otherwise wouldn't.

 

[Stugots26]

I'll respectfully disagree and maintain that the real reason behind the feminist argument against male birth control is that men are taking control and power back over the choice to impregnate a woman. Ardent, puerile feminists fear loss of their ability to choose which man (alpha) impregnates them and which man (beta) raises the alpha offspring.