Oops - embarrasing "date" w/ much younger girl

MaddXMan

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Hey all -

I am 38 but in shape and look about 30. At my work is a girl who just turned 21, very cute. For weeks she has shown me high IL - I thought it was cute and played along, but just flirted and nothing more, because it was work. Then last week she gave her resignation notice since she found another job. I offered to take her to lunch to celebrate, but said it in that kidding/flirting way, still she took me up on it.

She never asked me my age - I thought for sure she would know since we have a friend in common who knows I am 38. I thought she was curious and wanted to have casual fun, since she said a few times that we should "hang out."

Lunch was fun, and returning I asked her if she wanted to do something Sunday afternoon, she said yes (I was feeling reckless and wanted to see how much she was interested. Plus I thought the "hanging out" part meant nothing serious would happen). Meanwhile she calls a few times and talks.

So today came and I picked her up. She seemed to be acting cool at first but we went to this funky cafe and had drinks. The convo was flowing and we were getting along great. We were lightly buzzed and as we walked to the next place I took her hand. She was receptive, then asked how old I was - I told her "you already know or have an idea, right?" She said she actually didn't know but would guess 38 or 39 (apparently I said something that indicated that). I said yep, I'm 38 but thought she knew that - she said coyly "maddxman you're too old for me and you are not holding my hand!" And she said she was confused, was I considering this a date or we just "hanging out."

I know she is just casually dating right now and knows I am doing the same, I said I was just enjoying spending time with her. She said that was cool and we could continue "hanging out" but I was still too old for her, she just turned 21.

Doh. My assumption that she knew my age led to a pretty awkward time - plus, I was thinking with my dyck and thought the references to "hanging out" plus her high IL meant nothing serious. I am confused though, I know she was attracted to me but would she really have been thinking of us as a potential bf/gf situation? I just can't imagine that she would, and think that somehow I gave the impression I wanted something serious which cooled her off, and thus I blew a potential fun situation. Then agian, maybe she really did think I was only 10 years max older than her...either way I feel pretty stupid, but don't regret not trying!
 

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Hey man, you did your mission as a man. I feel that there's still a chance for you bagging her.
 

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Aztec said:
Hey man, you did your mission as a man. I feel that there's still a chance for you bagging her.
Yeah - the signals were there, I was going with the flow. Like I said I didn't think she would be sizing me up as b/f material. I haven't been chasing after her, she initianted all contact with me. That will stay the same - if she wants to "hang out" in the future, she will contact me - but I'm not paying for dates just to "hang out" and talk.

But one thing, I have felt this in the past, when I think a woman wants to have casual fun it seems like I have somehow blown it - I have only had one fb ever, and I know there have been other times that passed my by because I didn't pick up on it!!
 

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"Too old", HA, its a test man, a test! "Too old", "too young", "too tall", "not sensitive enough": its the same crap. IGNOR the reference to age. ASSUME, you are correct in that IL is high.

"maddxman you're too old for me and you are not holding my hand!" And she said she was confused, was I considering this a date or we just "hanging out."

What would David D say: Turn it around on her: Challege her because she is "too young", but with humor. And the "d" word (date) this early on is a real buzz-kill.
 

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What, can't friends hold hands? I think you should have said that. Then you should have said "Can't a friend put a comforting arm around another friend?"
 

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ElChoclo said:
What, can't friends hold hands? I think you should have said that. Then you should have said "Can't a friend put a comforting arm around another friend?"
And then continue with "what, can't friends tongue kiss in public?" and "can't a friend stick his penis in you?" It'll be a hoot.
 

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so says mr rocky_mtn man:

"My age. I like to think of everyone as individuals and I hang out with older and younger people all the time and it doesn't really make a difference. Really, its what's inside of a person that really counts. Plus you have a timeless beauty and seem so mature"



works sometimes
 

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I am in my early 30's and have been dating younger girls. I look very young (some people think I am 25), and do get mixed results when I tell girls my age.

I usually try to avoid bringing my age up, until we have sex ;-)

In the past couple of weeks I have dated two 21 yo girls. The first one really liked the fact that I was older (she asked for my age after we had sex), the other one who thought I looked much younger asked me for my age after our first date (we were already kissing and making out when she asked me). She was very surprised and looking back, I wish I lied cause things cooled off pretty quickly.

I have taken 2 phone #s this week from 2 younger girls and have decided not to tell them my true age if they ask, unless we've already been on a couple of dates (had sex) and they feel comfortable with me. I believe that they way to go is to try to postpone the age question (a very hard thing to do), but if there is no way out I believe that lying (at least in the beginning) is the best thing to do, especially if you're just out there for sex.

Remember, this is a social / cultural thing. The reason a girl might think it's wrong or right to be with an older guy has nothing to do with her attraction but the social bs that she has programmed into her mind. It is therefore crucial to override that program by making her feel very comfortable with you.

Would be glad to hear any other opinions.
 

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djzulu said:
I am in my early 30's and have been dating younger girls. I look very young (some people think I am 25), and do get mixed results when I tell girls my age.

I usually try to avoid bringing my age up, until we have sex ;-)

In the past couple of weeks I have dated two 21 yo girls. The first one really liked the fact that I was older (she asked for my age after we had sex), the other one who thought I looked much younger asked me for my age after our first date (we were already kissing and making out when she asked me). She was very surprised and looking back, I wish I lied cause things cooled off pretty quickly.

I have taken 2 phone #s this week from 2 younger girls and have decided not to tell them my true age if they ask, unless we've already been on a couple of dates (had sex) and they feel comfortable with me. I believe that they way to go is to try to postpone the age question (a very hard thing to do), but if there is no way out I believe that lying (at least in the beginning) is the best thing to do, especially if you're just out there for sex.

Remember, this is a social / cultural thing. The reason a girl might think it's wrong or right to be with an older guy has nothing to do with her attraction but the social bs that she has programmed into her mind. It is therefore crucial to override that program by making her feel very comfortable with you.

Would be glad to hear any other opinions.
Yeah well in my case the 21 yo and I had lunch at a chinese restaurant - she was looking at those horoscope place mats and asked what animal I was, I said "ox" - then I saw where it said "you are an ox if you were born in 1967, 1980, etc. It is obvious I was not born in 1980 haha. So avoid chinese eateries when dating a younger set, or have it delivered!

Anyway, I didn't want to lie about my age.
 

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MaddXMan said:
Yeah well in my case the 21 yo and I had lunch at a chinese restaurant - she was looking at those horoscope place mats and asked what animal I was, I said "ox" - then I saw where it said "you are an ox if you were born in 1967, 1980, etc. It is obvious I was not born in 1980 haha. So avoid chinese eateries when dating a younger set, or have it delivered!
LOL

I hate lying - and I understand where you're coming from. That's why you have to make a decision once you start seeing the girl: GF material? Then tell the truth. Casual sex? - lie if necessary.
 

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MaddXMan said:
Anyway, I didn't want to lie about my age.
You didn't have to lie - but you should have totally reframed that.

"Don't worry, I'm legal."

Or you could play the prudish one and imply she's the predator. Flip it. Etc. A dozen possibilities here. Have some good ones already worked out in your head since this question will probably come up again with other chicks. I mean, Juggler's 38 too. And so is Style, I believe. And they're all still pimps!
 

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wayword said:
You didn't have to lie - but you should have totally reframed that.

"Don't worry, I'm legal."

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How far do you take the diversion lines? I always downplay age, but if asked directly the C+F lines wear thin.

I also have the problem with lying too, it always come back in a bad way, so I decided a while ago to not lie about anything. (except maybe drunk at a club looking for a chick to take for for a ons)
 

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^ I agree, I don't lie. And I probably wouldn't dodge it too long either, otherwise then it becomse like something you're ashamed of. I think the main thing is to spin it positively in her mind (and yours) before you tell her.

"Why, do you like older men?"
"Uhhhm.."
"Perfect!"

"Why, do I not look old enough?"
"Do you only date older men?"

I dunno, just throwin' out some ideas here...I wonder what Juggler, Style and all the other gurus do?

But, let's be honest, how much do girls reaaally care? If they already like you as a person, are already attracted, can they really turn that off just because of your age? I have a few girls I'm flirting with now around 20, and I'm in my early 30s. My last ex was also that age too. They never seemed to see my age as a big deal though - especially since I easily pass for a college kid.
 

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wayword said:
But, let's be honest, how much do girls reaaally care? If they already like you as a person, are already attracted, can they really turn that off just because of your age? .
Actually, yes. I have had situations where the girl has gone cold after she found out how old i was. Even though she was attracted before. Unfortunately, society and maybe more specifically N American society has programmed girls into believing that being with an older man is a bad thing.

Soooo.. the solution to me is to postpone the age discussion for as long as possible. Do the C+F for a bit. If it is a short term thing, and you are just looking for a lay, then yes, maybe just lying about it is an option. Women lie about their age all the time. Bottom line is that the more rapport you develop with the girl before she finds out your age, the better. And even if you were not truthful to start and decided to confess later, you might have already connected with her to the point where she will overlook it.
 

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wayword said:
You didn't have to lie - but you should have totally reframed that.

"Don't worry, I'm legal."

Or you could play the prudish one and imply she's the predator. Flip it. Etc. A dozen possibilities here. Have some good ones already worked out in your head since this question will probably come up again with other chicks. I mean, Juggler's 38 too. And so is Style, I believe. And they're all still pimps!
You know, that's why a guy has to refresh himself by reading the dj bible again every once in awhile. If you are not on your game, you will get dating situations that are like reading the stitches on a fastball - you have to be ready!
 

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wayword said:
But, let's be honest, how much do girls reaaally care? If they already like you as a person, are already attracted, can they really turn that off just because of your age? I have a few girls I'm flirting with now around 20, and I'm in my early 30s. My last ex was also that age too. They never seemed to see my age as a big deal though - especially since I easily pass for a college kid.
They do care, but it's VERY easy to turn it around.

Some guys have said to skirt the subject, or downplay it. I don't agree with either one of those methods. All it does is make it look like you are AGREEING with the same BS that makes her prejudge older men in the first place. Essentially, she already has a gun and you are handing her the bullets.

Reframing or using humor I can see working, but by doing so you are still simply trying to take the spotlight off of yourself (albeit in a confident way) just long enough to disarm her.

The thing that has worked for me time and time again is to not only shift the spotlight off of yourself, but to swing it over on to HER and turn up the intensity. You need to make her feel as though she has to qualify herself to YOU, not the other way around.

The 20 yr old whom I se from time to time "hates" it when I make any sort of a reference to her being young. She constantly tries to prove to me that she is a "grown adult". I make sure I remind her every time I talk to her that she's very young. Sometimes I might crack a joke about it such as "You're not even old enough to drink....give me that martini!" or I might work it into a serious conversation. Even if I am COMPLIMENTING her on being mature for her age or pointing out some kind of advantage she has to being young she STILL gets antsy and tries to prove herself to me.

Keep in mind that I am 34 but most people guess that I am in my mid 20's, and I think that definitely helps. But I see a lot of guys making a much bigger issue of this than it needs to be. Be comfortable and confident about yourself in ALL aspects, and women will follow your lead 90% of the time.
 

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The 20 yo and I are still talking like we did before, I am still seeing the interest - I will follow STR8UP's advise - but what about another opportunity to "hang out" when I don't know what that freaking means??? I know anything that looks like a "date" is a no, and so is a party situation since we wouldn't mix with each other's friends. I know she likes to party, after all she told me she goes to strip clubs w/ her girlfriends and pays for dances!
 

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MaddXMan said:
The 20 yo and I are still talking like we did before, I am still seeing the interest - I will follow STR8UP's advise - but what about another opportunity to "hang out" when I don't know what that freaking means??? I know anything that looks like a "date" is a no, and so is a party situation since we wouldn't mix with each other's friends. I know she likes to party, after all she told me she goes to strip clubs w/ her girlfriends and pays for dances!
You should give her a free one (and by the way, what kind of woman spents $$$$ in dances in a strip club?).
 

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This advice from Juggler's posts could be useful:

6.6 About Lying

>Unfortunately, AWG, I utterly disagree
>with that statement. While also
>agreeing with it to some extent (it is
>always good to be confident in who
>you are, etc.) it simply won't be enough
>for most of us. Women aren't going
>to respond positively to men who are
>very capable of talking in a way to
>make the most of their lame-ass
>warehouse job, flabby belly, and 1992
>Oldsmobile station wagon. (So to speak.)

The point is not that you are hyping the details of your life. AVOID
TALKING ABOUT DETAILS. The point is you you are packaging your desires,
personality, experiences and motivations into sellable stories,
expressions, routines, etc.
Having said that, if they ask, I tell them I am broke, I drive a
compact car and my job provides little security. And yes I do know how
to make the most of these things. Being broke becomes a NEG. Driving a
little car is a chance for humor (I'm tall) And my job - well it is
very creative. I do exactly what you say women would not respond to D
and do, what you might call 'fairly well' with the girls. :)
But returning to the subject. One of my favorite things to tell girls
is about a vivid dream I had years ago which is still imprinted in my
memory. I view it as a premonition. It's about how I dreamt one day I
will have a small house on the beach, a lovely wife and two beautiful
blonde daughters. We have fires on the beach at night and we are really
happy. I really think this will be my life one day. The point is not to
put the girl in a mood or any of that. I really enjoy telling people
about this because it says a lot about me and what I want out of life.
Now, if I instead make up a story of some dream that would impress a
girl or get her horny, maybe it would work to accomplish that purpose
but it would not further my skill at relating what I really want, my
focus in life or my alpha-ness. It would be a short term gain at the
sacrifice of long term progress.

>Rather, the art of the lie is the
>act of demonstrating to her that you can
>participate in a fantasy.

First of all, there is no 'art' to lying. Telling a fib is easy. Making
the truth exciting is art.
Secondly, to her you and your life might as well be a fantasy. Instead
of bringing her into an unreal fantasy, you can bring her into the
fantasy which is the real you.

>You know that the mind encompasses both reality
>and unreality. You know that things
>will always be better in the fantasy
>universe, and you know how to access
>that universe and make it tick for her,
>give her pleasure, increase her
>REAL awareness of how great life can be.
>You touch her emotions, and even
>if they are fantasized feelings, she still feels them.

It is much more satisfying for you to touch her emotions with the
truth.

>Pick up isn't about giving women what
>they say they want. It isn't about
>giving women what they think they want.
>But it also isn't about giving
>women what they actually DO want, either.
>
>It's about giving women what they
>respond to, and bringing about that
>response that you want to bring about.

Pick up is not about her. It is about YOU. It should always be about
improving your skills. Lies make pick-up easier. You should be trying
to make pick-up harder. Like lifting weights.

>You are not a man who is required to
>live his life in order to please other people.

It is not about pleasing her. It is about being able to be the real
you. That is the alphaness so many guys search for. It is the ability
to confidently put the real you out there.
But the point is that you should be up front and real about the
important stuff because that is important to YOU. You get what you ask
for. The question most guys should spend much more time on - that will
pay off bigger than time spent coming up with clever patterns is, "What
do you really want?" When you can answer that then you will have a good
base to begin from. That is where you should begin. Not, "What will get
her feeling horny?".
This lying thing is also a confidence issue for many guys. They don't
think that their life is good enough, so they rely on lies to become
interesting. They search for good material, never realizing that it is
not the material, but the way it is presented that is so crucial and
that they ARE interesting enough.
Now, having said all that, there are those lies which are just plain
fun. A few openers are like that. But the point is these have little or
nothing to do with mis-representing yourself. You should always
represent the real you. You are more than equal to the task.

6.7 Overcoming the ‘Age Difference’ problem

Age... Good topic.
You want the girl sarging and closing you. Any topic that she brings up
that is about you is good. Don't be afraid to discuss anything about
yourself. That is where you want things. The longer YOU are the subject
the better. If you turn the conversation away from your age (or any
subject about yourself) she will avoid talking about you again and that
is not good.
For instance, I just turned 34. I love to bring up the subject of age.
Girls will ask me how old I am and I will give them my hand or make a
slow 360 degree turn so she can see the whole me and ask her to guess
my age. Or I will tell them I'm 34 and talk about how it was to turn 30
and that I like getting old and can't wait until I'm 60.
No routines here. Just enjoying the attention and letting it stay on
myself. I am proud of being older than most of the girls I talk with. I
like to talk about my ever increasing gray hairs and forgetfulness. I
get into talking about the weaknesses of my age.
So if you are 20 I would recommend being frank and open about it.
Wallow in it as a topic of conversation. I'd say, "I'm 20. I am so
innocent and flakey. I can vow to do something and then change my mind
2 minutes later." Be proud of this 'weakness' and it becomes a
strength. Have this ability to discuss all your 'weaknesses' and you
will become a very powerful presence.
Older women and their stupid mentalities
One of the few instances I have felt lucky to be a relatively old guy.
Okay, there are two ways of handling this:

1. As Allesandro says and show some anger (even if you have to fake it)
Don't take crap about stuff that you can not do anything about. You
have a right to call them on it. It is their problem. You aren't too
young. She is too old.

2. Stay calm and ask her to be more specific about why she likes an
older guy and what feelings that gives her. Security, being taken care
of, made to feel young (by comparrison), etc.. Try to realy understand.
Then tell her you can give her none of those things. (That's right.
Don't be tempted to be an NLPer here and try to give her those feelings
or anchor them to you) Instead point out how you are different. You are
only capable of giving a girl excitement, fun, adventure and a really
amazing experience in bed. Tell her you studied at a special massage
school that they send Geishas to or something. You gave her values on
the subject a fair hearing. She will reciprocate and give yours one
too. In the meantime you have the chance to promote the idea of having
a casual affair. After you do your speak go right into kissing.

By the way, Juggler is 37/38 years old (not sure)...
 
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