Only Six Months For Rape?

[Sho-No-Luv]

I love how SJWs refuse to cite evidence. They just go into trigglypuff rages and break into tears....

Same goes for you too. This information is plastered all over the internet.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

If they're so drunk they're asleep they're obviously incapable of giving consent. I would say it's when they're so drunk they can't remember what happened last night, which means they would have been visibly to others seriously impaired in taking care of themselves.

I agree a person can be pretty damn drunk and still know what sex means. If you've ever been blackout drunk you know you were in a state that you were incapable of making informed decisions knowing the consequences.

I want to point out though that what harm a person does to another while being very intoxicated they should be held responsible for. What harm a person who's drunk is subjected to by another they should not be held responsible for, they can't control what the other person does.

Bottom line is that if you are in doubt that whatever girl you want to fvck knows what she's doing, then it's a bad idea to fvck her. If you can be sure she knows what she's doing despite some intoxication, then go ahead.

There's no black and white line on this matter, it's practically impossible to draw one. So the circumstances of each case has to be evaluated because it's a grey area, but the line goes at consent given in a state when one would be capable of it while drunk. There's no hard number, limit or crystal clear definition, that's impossible to make but yet there has to be one.

"Bad idea" is not the same as a rape. Let's stop this garbage about blurring the definition of rape. Innocent men are being put in prison.

Rape is penetration, a felony punishable by many years in prison. Anything else is a sexual assault, ranging from a light to serious misdemeanor. If you grab a girl's ass in public, she'll call the cops, you'll get arrested, booked, released, and pay a $500 fine. These lunatics went men to do 25 to life for this.

If he penetrated her while she was asleep, he got off easy and deserved 10 years.

If this was a case of buyer's remorse as per this new fake definition of rape, where lets say she got drunk, consented but then passed out, and he was fingering her or what have you, 6 months was too harsh.

 

[LiveFreeX]

@Asmodeus you missed your calling, we should start a law firm.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Hmm, this dude sounds sick. He stuffed pine needles in her vag??

Slimeball raped her behind a dumpster. He should rot in prison. SMH...

These are YOUR words. Cite your sources now knight.

 

[Serenity]

@BlueAlpha1 The point wasn't about the degree of offense. It was about when such actions are ok and not, if that's about grabbing a$$, boobs, sticking a finger in or sticking your d!ck in doesn't matter to determine that. It's ok if she consents either explicitly or by action and is in a state where she's capable of doing so knowingly.

What that specifically means in each case is commonly discussed in court, because of the complex nature of it. You'd save yourself a lot of trouble making sure she's into it.

A "bad idea" is a general term for something you shouldn't do. Rape is a bad idea, sexual assault is a bad idea and doing any of those towards a person who's clearly incapable of choosing responsibly is a bad idea. There's a widespread problem with men taking advantage of that fact because they KNOW their ability to make decisions is weakened.

If she's too drunk you're taking a risk. This isn't going to change.

 

[rEDoNE]

Should just be a handshake and call it a day

 

[Skyline]

If they're so drunk they're
asleep they're obviously incapable of giving consent. I would say it's when they're so drunk they can't remember what happened last night, which means they would have been visibly to others seriously impaired in taking care of themselves.

I agree a person can be pretty damn drunk and still know what sex means. If you've ever been blackout drunk you know you were in a state that you were incapable of making informed decisions knowing the consequences.

I want to point out though that what harm a person does to another while being very intoxicated they should be held responsible for. What harm a person who's drunk is subjected to by another they should not be held responsible for, they can't control what the other person does.

Bottom line is that if you are in doubt that whatever girl you want to fvck knows what she's doing, then it's a bad idea to fvck her. If you can be sure she knows what she's doing despite some intoxication, then go ahead.

There's no black and white line on this matter, it's practically impossible to draw one. So the circumstances of each case has to be evaluated because it's a grey area, but the line goes at consent given in a state when one would be capable of it while drunk. There's no hard number, limit or crystal clear definition, that's impossible to make but yet there has to be one.

Oh no @Grewd, in this situation the Swimmer had a Blood Alcohol Level of twice the legal limit. Therefore, based off of your insight on consent, there would be an actual case that she instead raped/sexually assaulted him because HE could not give consent just as much as she couldn't.

Not only that, but because she was so drunk that she did not remember, her chances of winning a case with no memory of what had happened is very slim.

I'm not condoning or applauding rape or sexual assault in any way, but if you are going to get black out drunk please be sure to go lengths to make sure you either get home safe or are in a safe environment. Had she not been there drinking, illegally I might made, this whole situation would have never happened. But if this was an actual rape situation, which we'll never know because SHE doesn't remember, then he should be punished to the fullest extent.

Edit:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/

That post by CNN is more up to date, she was in fact unconscious but I'm assuming they could not prove that there was any penetration. So therefore it wasn't rape but it might have escalated into that but it was still an instance of sexual assault.

So yeah, 6 months for a sexual offense sounds right to me.

 

[Asmodeus]

Assume what you want to dipsh!t, you obviously didn't read far or long enough or lack reading skills. The evidence is all there.
Not going to do your work for you, keep reading.

I already told you, I have read multiple articles.. There is no firm evidence that he raped her. There is no positive rape kit, she had her clothes on, both were drunk, the accuser has no recollection of the events. Sexual assault for groping certainly, but no evidence of penetration, no evience of rape... You said the outlandish thing that he stuck pine needles in her vagina, yet there is no evidence to confirm what you stated... Thus either you are misinformed, or you are a liar.

The burden of proof lies in the accuser, so if you are going to say something happened then go ahead and prove it... Otherwise what you say means nothing.

I rest my case...

 

[BlueAlpha1]

@BlueAlpha1 There's a widespread problem with men taking advantage of that fact because they KNOW their ability to make decisions is weakened.

If she's too drunk you're taking a risk. This isn't going to change.

This is where you're going wrong right here. You and the feminists claim to want equality for women, but at the same time do not hold a woman to the same standards of accountability and judgment as a man.

If she's too drunk you're "taking a risk." No, she is an adult who shouldn't get so drunk so as to blur the lines of consent, where now you have hysteria and confusion about where the rape line is drawn. She is not a special snowflake whose consent is worth more than his.

A lot of feminists claim we should teach men not to rape, and pay no mind to girls who put themselves in these situtations. I propose we do both.

 

[Serenity]

@Danger @BlueAlpha1 @Skyline
For the sake of gender equality, it does not matter if it's the man or the woman doing it. If the conditions I mentioned applies and the person didn't want it, it's sexual assault or rape depending on the actions.

It would be interesting if both people involved was blackout drunk, then figured out they had sex, can't remember giving consent and feels violated by each other. That would be a very fascinating trial.

@BlueAlpha1 I agree, teaching responsible drinking definitely makes it easier, for both genders. Feminists aren't wrong though, rape is worth fighting against. But they're often very ignorant towards how rape actually happens, such as with drinking irresponsibly on both parts.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

@Danger @BlueAlpha1 @Skyline
For the sake of gender equality, it does not matter if it's the man or the woman doing it. If the conditions I mentioned applies and the person didn't want it, it's sexual assault or rape depending on the actions.

It would be interesting if both people involved was blackout drunk, then figured out they had sex, can't remember giving consent and feels violated by each other. That would be a very fascinating trial.

@BlueAlpha1 I agree, teaching responsible drinking definitely makes it easier, for both genders. Feminists aren't wrong though, rape is worth fighting against. But they're often very ignorant towards how rape actually happens, such as with drinking irresponsibly on both parts.

Agreed, and it is far more rare than they'd have you believe. There is no such thing as rape culture in this country. A real rape culture exists in many African and middle eastern countries, but certainly not here.

They also should stop lying about the numbers. Part of combatting real rape means ditching myths about 1 on 5 girls on college campuses will be raped. As it pertains to penetration by force, or real rape, the chances are a fraction of 1% to happen to a woman

 

[Skyline]

@Danger @BlueAlpha1 @Skyline
For the sake of gender equality, it does not matter if it's the man or the woman doing it. If the conditions I mentioned applies and the person didn't want it, it's sexual assault or rape depending on the actions.

Well they would have to prove in court that the victim did not want it at the time it was occuring. Proving that is not only difficult but expensive in terms of court fees.

It becomes a "he/she said and he/she did..." Just drink in a safe environment and stay away from girls who are completely wasted!

In this situation of the Swimmer, going off of what you had said, then yes a sexual assault happened(because it really did) but not an actual rape. But he could also fight in court that he couldn't give consent because he was also drunk... See what I mean?

 

[LiveYourDream]

I read (I do not have the exact citation for these details--although similar are in the first link below) the two swedes rode by on their bikes and and saw the accused very active on top while the woman laid motionless. One of the swedes essentially said it was the absolute motionlessness of her hands, arms, legs, her entire body and lack of any sound from her, despite all the action of the man on top that made him think something was really off. He was looking to see her respond to the man on top of her and all he was doing, but she was completely response-less, so he told his friend he felt compelled to backtrack. She was still perfectly still with no sound despite the accused's thrusting on top of her. When they re-approached and spoke to the man, he ran. One chased him while the other checked to see if the woman was alive and breathing, before assisting his friend to secure the man, who had ran, till the police arrived to investigate further.

The woman was found to be completely unconscious, by the men and subsequent professionals who arrived at the scene. Multiple methods to help her regain consciousness, prior to transporting her, and at the hospital were employed repeatedly, including shake and shout, and even the administration of pain. All were unsuccessful. She even vomited prior to transport, without regaining consciousness. Despite the many attempts she did not regain consciousness till much later at the hospital.

She was found unconscious, with her underwear removed, and naked and exposed from the waist down.

Whether any kind of true consent was ever given before she lost consciousness...or if any kind of consent continues once she has lost consciousness, I have no idea.

The details presented in the case led 12 jurors to unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt convict the man, on three of the charges that were brought against him are known to them They know the facts that were presented in the case. (I know I don't.)

The court sentencing memo (the one linked is for the prosecution as it's the only one I found) offers a little more into what the jurors were told.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2858504-Brock-Turner-Sentencing-Memo.html

A different article sharing a bit of the perspective from of one of the bike riders who intervened. https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor...brock-turner?utm_term=.gr1z1QBP32#.wjaJr2GNlm

I think it offers a lot of insight, into the life altering experience it has been, to read each of their statements, as well.

I think the victim's statement offers great insight into a woman's very personal experience.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbak...ad-to-her-ra?utm_term=.pejR1wW8na#.li3rkQDq1m

The man's statement shows his personal and presented perspective as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-in-stanford-sexual-assault-case/?tid=a_inl

FYI, Here is some clarification on California Rape Laws
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html

 

[Serenity]

@BlueAlpha1 Yeah, I'm in agreement about your last statements.

@Skyline It's by far the best advice not to risk things for some cheap sex and drink responsibly in a safe environment. I haven't been talking about this particular case, I was initially responding to the opinion @LiveFreeX had about drunk rape in general. Now about this case in particular @LiveYourDream did an excellent job digging up information. If that information is correct and there were impartial witnesses in addition to the fact she was found unconscious, then there's extremely little room for doubt.

Even if no semen was found it does not mean penetration didn't happen. We all know how difficult it can be to cvm with a whiskey d!ck.

I mean that beyond any reasonable doubt he is guilty of rape. The core issue of this case is the lack of severity in punishment in proportion to the severity of the crime, not the question of guilt.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I just found a TROLL and a duplicate account, request BAN of user Sho-No-Luv / EyeBRollin

From this thread:

Sho-No-intelligence: Assume what you want to dipsh!t, you obviously didn't read far or long enough or lack reading skills. The evidence is all there.
Not going to do your work for you, keep reading.

From the thread:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/index.php?threads/how-bad-is-the-pressure-to-marry.234623/#post-2345551

LiveFreeX said: ↑
EyeBRollin: Are lesbian marriages allowed in your state? You should go hangout at BLM events, maybe you could hook up with Jaylan's Tranny brother.

EyeBRollin: Lesbian marriages are allowed all over the country, dip****.

Most likely a feminist woman as men don't use the term (dip****) very often and I've yet to see the term used in such frequency on this site. Its strange that BOTH users vehemently advocate for women and on behalf of women.

 

[LiveFreeX]

@BlueAlpha1 Yeah, I'm in agreement about your last statements.

@Skyline It's by far the best advice not to risk things for some cheap sex and drink responsibly in a safe environment. I haven't been talking about this particular case, I was initially responding to the opinion @LiveFreeX had about drunk rape in general. Now about this case in particular @LiveYourDream did an excellent job digging up information. If that information is correct and there were impartial witnesses in addition to the fact she was found unconscious, then there's extremely little room for doubt.

Even if no semen was found it does not mean penetration didn't happen. We all know how difficult it can be to cvm with a whiskey d!ck.

I mean that beyond any reasonable doubt he is guilty of rape. The core issue of this case is the lack of severity in punishment in proportion to the severity of the crime, not the question of guilt.

Swedes are famous for feminism, I wouldn't put wrongful accusations past them. I would like to hear the swimmers side of the story. Its easy to make judgments based upon one side.

I find it very strange the number of white knights running to the defense of women on a PUA site without taking the man's story into account. I think this site has been infiltrated by SJW clan. 'Sticking pine needles up a vag' <--- Only a feminist could come up with a seriously sick rape fantasy like this.

We all know how difficult it can be to cvm with a whiskey d!ck.

We all know? Not I, but clearly you. Something smells fishy here Ops, I would run this one through the 'vag' detector.

I was initially responding to the opinion @LiveFreeX had about drunk rape in general

Because you are a woman, a white knight or a mangina.

 

[LiveYourDream]

Those who, for whatever reason, wanted some references about the pine needles in her vagina...

“She ... went through all the indignities and humiliations of reliving the tragedy of it [in a courtroom]—her naked, splayed body covered in dirt; pine needles in her vagina—to make sure this perpetrator was never able to do this again, hopefully. She went through the trial and got questioned by the defense attorney. The jury listened to her, and believed her, and found her [attacker] guilty beyond a reasonable doubt on three felonies. So we were there. This was supposed to be it: the moment where we get consequence.”
​

The full article...with the above quote linked below.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...kes-the-stanford-rape-case-so-unusual/486374/

“Unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, … butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart,” she wrote. She had dirt and pine needles in her hair and inside her vagina."
​

The full article...with the above quote linked below.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor...brock-turner?utm_term=.femKLx8dp9#.daXOXN9Vnz

 

[LiveFreeX]

How does one both get pine needles in your hair and vagina? It seems a little farfetched that 'swimmer' would run over to a tree, rip needles off the tree, place them into her hair and then again into her vagina. It would make more sense that she stumbled into a tree while naked. I highly doubt we are getting the full story.

I also find it strange LYD, that you are on site so quickly to post a reply. I am wondering who the owners of this site are now. After the purge, was SS bought by a woman's group?

 

[LiveYourDream]

Swedes are famous for feminism, I wouldn't put wrongful accusations past them. I would like to hear the swimmers side of the story. Its easy to make judgments based upon one side.

I find it very strange the number of white knights running to the defense of women on a PUA site without taking the man's story into account. I think this site has been infiltrated by SJW clan. 'Sticking pine needles up a vag' <--- Only a feminist could come up with a seriously sick rape fantasy like this.

We all know? Not I, but clearly you. Something smells fishy here Ops, I would run this one through the 'vag' detector.

Because you are a woman, a white knight or a mangina.

In case you missed it, I did link the man's statement above. Here it is again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-in-stanford-sexual-assault-case/?tid=a_inl

 

[LiveFreeX]

and again. No sorry, now after reading his statement, I'm completely convinced there is something absolutely fvking weird going on, his story does not make any sense at all. There is something wrong with this entire case.

A university student bombarded with anti-rape propaganda still decides to 'knowingly' calculate a 'rape'... something is bs here and there is an agenda pushing it.