Online Dating in the late 90s/early 2000s-Why was it so much easier back then vs.now?

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Someone here posted:

"Guys just getting into online dating missed the boat. The golden years were pre-2010.

I used to line pof dates up in my sleep. Now, the same perfected profile and techniques yield very little results and it just isn't worth the time commitment or aggravation anymore."


So what's happened since 2010?!? Any theories?

I have an average looking buddy in his mid 30s who had up 40+ partners using online game in the late 90s/early 2000s. He'd never pull those kind of stats today.

I'm guessing that Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan flick "You've Got Mail" from 1998 would never happen now.

So what caused the demise of online dating (at least for men)? Would particularly be interested in the experiences of guys who've been online dating since the early days and how they're adapting.
 

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Posted this on another forum and got response (from a woman):

I have heard this from a number of people, though it is more a case of like your heading 'it was better in early 2000s compared to now' and not 'it was better pre 2010'. Maybe the early adopters of OLD were more genuine about finding a partner. Some of the older guys I know who are online players were never interested in PCs until say about 7-5 yrs ago. I know a 'trailer park' woman who owns a PC and does OLD now, as do a number of her grungy friends, and this demographic would have been quite rare 10 yrs ago online, but now every goober is online. Also maybe there is a nostelgic element to it, where the guys were younger + more handsome 10 yrs ago and the girls they went out with were happy go lucky adventerous 20 somethings, but now they are trying to get the same effect with more cynical fussier 30 somethings who are getting stacks of msgs (because more people are users now), many from hotter guys (not IT focused) who have flocked to OLD to expand their market that would not have been using it a decade ago. One of my neighbors is a big burly construction worker who does online dating now (hardly typical early adopter), who gets a lot of action from women in their 30s looking for tanned hunky tattooed guys and this sort of guy would not have been your competition 10 yrs ago.
 

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In the day, the only way you were online is if you had a computer. They were expensive. Now even losers can get online through various devices. The gig is up because women/ AW love the ego boost sometimes a lot more than actually meeting guys. Look around too, a lot of women bytch and complain about what type of creep(s) are hitting them up. I have had good and bad luck on theses sites, but I agree it seemed easier in the day. That is for sure. More online means more competition as well. It still is a numbers game.
 

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I remember when I was younger (around 2003-2004) my uncle was going through a divorce and stayed with us for a bit. He was on some dating site you had to pay $$ for ( i think American singles) and he was getting plenty of dates from that site. I guess it's all how you play it, and if you're willing to pay for one of those sites.
 

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I've only met one chick online and it was a disaster (Let's just say the pics were a tad bit outdated). I've chatted with a bunch of cute girls online but never ended up meeting with them.

I guess if you have an extraordinary amount of patience to wade through a bunch of that nonsense, you'll do ok with it in the long-run.

If you're exceptionally tall and attractive and/or can craft amazingly witty messages...you'll do fine.

The question is it really worth it to expend all that effort to occasionally luck out with a substandard girl with major ego issues. Dating is supposed to be fun and lighthearted, not another full-time job. What's the point of even trying if at any point she can blow you off for any reason, or no reason at all?
 

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I've only met one chick online and it was a disaster (Let's just say the pics were a tad bit outdated). I've chatted with a bunch of cute girls online but never ended up meeting with them.

I guess if you have an extraordinary amount of patience to wade through a bunch of that nonsense, you'll do ok with it in the long-run.

If you're exceptionally tall and attractive and/or can craft amazingly witty messages...you'll do fine.

The question is it really worth it to expend all that effort to occasionally luck out with a substandard girl with major ego issues. Dating is supposed to be fun and lighthearted, not another full-time job. What's the point of even trying if at any point she can blow you off for any reason, or no reason at all?
Instead of getting angry and giving up, try a different approach. Read up on what attracts girls online and adapt accordingly.

So many guys on here get angry at girls for not responding to them in 10 seconds and wanting to have sex in the next 5. They want quick quick quick results. Life is not like porn videos, you dont get laid in 8 seconds of meeting a hot model. It takes time, effort, patience. Even after all that, you still might not get laid.

Being a don juan is not about getting into a girls pants asap. Its about being the best person you can be and always improving yourself. Unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, nothing in life is easy.
 

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You are absolutely right. I subscribed in 2002 to HotorNot and later on Plenty of Fish and I remained signed up on these dating sites until 2012.
I would say that 2002-8 were they "hey days" of dating web sites. I am Italian and I always been pretty much more interested to know and meet foreign girls rather than local girls. In particular I am very attracted by North Americans,Australians and Scandinavians- thus
online dating facilitated me to know girls around the world. it was more than ideal.
Back in the day (especially during 2006) I used to receive from 2-10 messages daily. About 80% of these messages were from very good looking ladies who usually had more to say than just " Hi how are you". I wouldn't say that everything was perfect, but these ladies often put passion in their messages. The conversation were often pleasant and not dull. I also used to receive virtual flowers and online presents which today seems something unthinkable. All this made me feel cute, special and desired and made me romanticized about a relationship with a foreign girl.
As a man with his erotic desires I used to ask to these ladies to do cyber sex or to do webcam sex with me- many wouldn't object all this after a bit of convincing. Today if you ask something similar to ladies online, they are likely to discard you as soon as you talk about those things.
Eventually, everything was not just an online thing. Some of these girls came to Italy exclusively to see me, or came here to vacation and then we met in the mean time. We used to have great adventures especially in the summer. We would visit places together and often kissed on the first or second night and eventually I used to have sex with them. I also exchanged phone calls, post cards and letters and small presents. There was some of romanticism. At times I visited some of them. Not every girl was like in the photos or webcam, neither all of them had a good behaviour but I would say that 70% of them were exactly as I expected to be.
it was a great time. My time on internet worth it.

Now as in 2014 all this seems a mirage.
In the winter of 2010 I moved to another country and I started to see that traffic went down drastically without any apparent reason. , I used to get one message or two a month when lucky. I wondered if my location had nothing to do with it...but that was not the problem..as in fact, I changed location, photos, content of profiles, even age, and other things but the result was always the same..I had not the attention I used to have..
Messages became increasingly rare and they were often from unattractive ladies or ladies who were previously married ( which I am not interested)...and some messages were shallow and they started to get shorter and shorter.

I wondered why all this happened. Therefore Just like you I developed some theories and I also looked for answers online..
Here is what I think what are the causes of this decline for me and many other guys...

1) Back in the day Dating Online was not taken so seriously in contrast with today where dating online is more a serious issue. This made women to be more picky about who they chose.

2) As a foreign men, I was cute and exotic and some of these girls never talked to an Italian before so they became very interested in me. I represented something new and maybe a possible better option of their local guys. Today only few have this interest in me as internet is full of foreign so I am not much of a novelty. In fact I now very rarely I get asked about my accent and culture. Before it was the norm. As dating sites became more serious, women also became increasingly more realistic about a long distance relationship. so here is another reason for this decline.

3) Gender ratio.I believe that men have always been more than women at least in most of dating sites but that gap was usually of a slight percentage. Sometimes more girls were online than men and thus it was a fair game. Today in any dating sites at least 80% are a men and 20 % are women. Therefore these women get tons of messages and even the less attractive of them ( even in terms of personality) gets 100s of messages a day or week. Women become increasingly picky and stuck up because of this and often they don't even read every all the messages.
Guys are slowing giving up on dating sites for this reason. But no dating sites cares or seem to address this issue. After all they all want to earn money, they don't care of you fining love or have healthy fun.

4) Cell phones. Before women would sit and do the messaging. They did this on purpose, they would sit, look for guys and invest time to write them. With the cell phone you become reachable everywhere but a woman doesn't invest much time to start a first contact, and usually they type shortly as cellphone are not practical for long digital conversation. Also now women only expect to receive messages and they want guys to work hard for them. ( I am not too much sure of this theory but I heard in many forums despite some girls deny it).

5) In early 2000s You had the " curiosity culture" about others people life( because it was the time we first connected with stranger at fast rate) which is completely absent today on dating site.

6) For those who use Facebook as dating site, this is not longer taken as a naïve place. it is a private space and getting to add strangers become difficult. Facebook itself made restrictions on adding strangers.

7) I think the 80s generation was a bit more fan, we are better in socializing than 90's generation but this may seem a bit biased :)

I really miss these distant days of dating sites ( late 90s until 2010). they were fan and they would cherish the mood of many men who were single. I wish it was the same and I thought this fun was never going to end.

Today there are many dating sites where there are exclusively South Americans, Asians, Eastern Europeans and African women. On this sites women often establish the first interaction and engage in longer conversation when they know English ( but many don't). However, some of these women are often unreliable because they are gold diggers out of their county, plus it is also hard to meet them for Visa related problems.


Two conclusive notes :
I am not sure the dating site will return as they were before. In the future we may see virtual reality, genetic matching, or more accurate matching system but this may be in 2 decades from now.
I also hope that they will do these websites more pro-male and encourage women to write more first. Both men and women will benefit from this.

Until then, go out and meet girls, it is much more easier than website nowadays. Meeting girls/women in public has also it's big benefits.That's what I do now and that's what I suggest to other guys. Although because my lack of time to go out often, I wish I could still benefit these "old" style dating sites. )))

I hope my theories help. Sorry if I was too long :)
 
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spinaroonie said:
Someone here posted:

"Guys just getting into online dating missed the boat. The golden years were pre-2010.

I used to line pof dates up in my sleep. Now, the same perfected profile and techniques yield very little results and it just isn't worth the time commitment or aggravation anymore."


So what's happened since 2010?!? Any theories?

I have an average looking buddy in his mid 30s who had up 40+ partners using online game in the late 90s/early 2000s. He'd never pull those kind of stats today.

I'm guessing that Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan flick "You've Got Mail" from 1998 would never happen now.

So what caused the demise of online dating (at least for men)? Would particularly be interested in the experiences of guys who've been online dating since the early days and how they're adapting.
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I will say girls were a lot less guarded back in the day. I would go on MIRC and get heaps of numbers. I met up with tons of girls just asking the usual asl (age, sex, location), send a pic and voila. Nowadays most people on those chat channels are fake and the few girls around are so hard to crack because of all of the predators.

Same with facebook. When it first came out it was easy to get hot girls you didn't know to add you as friends, now it's a bit harder. Facebook also has too many add friend restrictions. I used to go to a facebook page for a local nightclub and add girls from that page and most would accept.
 

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I didn't do much online dating back then, I've done a lot in the last 7 months. I was on Okcupid, I got very good results, I spent a lot of time on my profile, I had lots of pics of me doing fun stuff. On POF I didn't do well at all, same profile. I met the one I'm seeing now on datehookup.com, I only met one other girl on there, great girl, just didn't have much time to date, and I talked to a few.

Two of my friends from Kung Fu are on match.com, one is 54 the other 29, both of them did great, the 54 yo is in a relationship with a really attractive woman, and the 29 yo just started seeing a really attractive woman.

I think doing online and trying in real life is the best. If the current one doesn't work out, I'm going with match.com. When they pay for it, they are usually better quality.
 

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Forget dating sites. late 90's was the best for interacting with girls online. Logging in with a 56K modem and going into the local AOL chat rooms. You actually got to "know" the person you were chatting with because you couldnt see their picture yet, just the AOL member profile. It was the opposite of what we have today... you Chat and flirt for a while first and THEN exchange pictures if you had one scanned and both agreed to "see" each other. You would cross your fingers and hope she was cute lol.

Guys werent disqualified right off the bat because if you made the girl laugh a lot and flirted with her she would probably be interested in you and add you to her buddy list and have convo's here and there when both of you were online. Then the next steps would be Emailing pictures, then phone call and then maybe meet up if local. Today is complete opposite.. If the girl doesnt like your picture or if you just happen to not be photogenic, even if you were a really cool guy and the perfect people for one another,... she will pass on you if she doesnt like the pic.

Back then it was so much simpler to talk to girls online and to girls in general i assume. i was a teenager obviously and i remember how it was a simple phone call or meet up when it came to girls. No hiding behind texts, no BS PUA sh*t, No "waiting" to text back, No facebook likes validation.. etc. back then if you complimented a girl and said she was sexy, beautiful, hot.. that was a big thing for them because they were not constantly getting attention like we have today online. When i really think about how bad the dating scene is today compared to the 90's... it really was so much easier. Technology advancement has greatly improved the lives of us all, no argument there, however when it comes to dating... It's made it 10 times harder.
 

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So what would you guys suggest to improve dating sites? what is your suggestion? will them come back great for you?
 

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Haha! That was me you quoted.

I think these dating sites just got flooded with guys, especially decent looking guys with game who realized online dating was the quickest way to rack up lays. Having a good profile, nice pictures and smooth lines no longer makes you stand out. Look at how many "how to pickup women on POF" type threads have popped up on all kinds of forums over the last few years.

Women now have instagram, twitter, tumblr, snapchat, kik, tinder, etc, etc, thus guys throwing themselves at their feet from even more angles.

Egos and standards boosted to record highs with each passing year, or more like by the day.

I just have fond memories cleaning up from 2008-2011, then was in a LTR, and now that I've been single long enough to get back in the game.. things have changed. I can still load up on numbers from POF, but the difference between now and then seems to be 1) More likely to flake or give number and not reply, 2) Send one message that isn't quite right and you never hear from them again, 3) More difficult to meet them face to face, 4) Holding their interest for more than 48 hours is almost unobtainable, 5) If there was attraction plus spark, sex was nothing more than a formality. Now, I can hardly get laid to save my life.

Times change!
 

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In2theGame said:
Forget dating sites. late 90's was the best for interacting with girls online. Logging in with a 56K modem and going into the local AOL chat rooms. You actually got to "know" the person you were chatting with because you couldnt see their picture yet, just the AOL member profile. It was the opposite of what we have today... you Chat and flirt for a while first and THEN exchange pictures if you had one scanned and both agreed to "see" each other. You would cross your fingers and hope she was cute lol.

then the 00's came a fooked it all up.

god I miss those days.

playinf diablo 2 online and having to wait 2 hours for the patch to dl. those where the days man.

today it's just fooked up. I wouldn't consider myself a scrub. nor would I have a am a hugly Well put togther guy either. ( though I am better than MOST guys)

I don't even get a look in. Even in real life. there is SO MUCH vlaidation for women now a 4 ( women) can get an 8 ( guy).
 

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In2theGame said:
Forget dating sites. late 90's was the best for interacting with girls online. Logging in with a 56K modem and going into the local AOL chat rooms. You actually got to "know" the person you were chatting with because you couldnt see their picture yet, just the AOL member profile. It was the opposite of what we have today... you Chat and flirt for a while first and THEN exchange pictures if you had one scanned and both agreed to "see" each other. You would cross your fingers and hope she was cute lol.

then the 00's came a fooked it all up.

god I miss those days.

playinf diablo 2 online and having to wait 2 hours for the patch to dl. those where the days man.

today it's just fooked up. I wouldn't consider myself a scrub. nor would I have a am a hugly Well put togther guy either. ( though I am better than MOST guys)

I don't even get a look in. Even in real life. there is SO MUCH vlaidation for women now a 4 ( women) can get an 8 ( guy).
 

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I've actually been doing very well recently using the hot or not iphone app

When you match a girl, you are messaging them like it's a sms, it's really easy to then get their real mobile no and change over to sms ing for real (rather than messaging within the app).

Met 6 girls so far and 4 have escalated to sex
 

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hello

Peterpack said:
I've actually been doing very well recently using the hot or not iphone app

When you match a girl, you are messaging them like it's a sms, it's really easy to then get their real mobile no and change over to sms ing for real (rather than messaging within the app).

Met 6 girls so far and 4 have escalated to sex

is it the application free ?
 

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Forget dating sites. late 90's was the best for interacting with girls online. Logging in with a 56K modem and going into the local AOL chat rooms. You actually got to "know" the person you were chatting with because you couldnt see their picture yet, just the AOL member profile. It was the opposite of what we have today... you Chat and flirt for a while first and THEN exchange pictures if you had one scanned and both agreed to "see" each other. You would cross your fingers and hope she was cute lol.

Guys werent disqualified right off the bat because if you made the girl laugh a lot and flirted with her she would probably be interested in you and add you to her buddy list and have convo's here and there when both of you were online. Then the next steps would be Emailing pictures, then phone call and then maybe meet up if local. Today is complete opposite.. If the girl doesnt like your picture or if you just happen to not be photogenic, even if you were a really cool guy and the perfect people for one another,... she will pass on you if she doesnt like the pic.

Back then it was so much simpler to talk to girls online and to girls in general i assume. i was a teenager obviously and i remember how it was a simple phone call or meet up when it came to girls. No hiding behind texts, no BS PUA sh*t, No "waiting" to text back, No facebook likes validation.. etc. back then if you complimented a girl and said she was sexy, beautiful, hot.. that was a big thing for them because they were not constantly getting attention like we have today online. When i really think about how bad the dating scene is today compared to the 90's... it really was so much easier. Technology advancement has greatly improved the lives of us all, no argument there, however when it comes to dating... It's made it 10 times harder.
Perfect response. I had an AOL gf when I was 14 lol. Back then it was real now it is all fake not worth anyone's time.
 

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I've had one date from OKC (and a successful one at that) and nothing from POF but I've got more Tinder matches than I know what to do with right now. I bet the shift from desktops to laptops and then from laptops to smartphones (at least for the majority of girls that don't need PCs for video games or work beyond the occasional college essay/presentation/etc) is partially to blame.
 
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