Online dating has gotten worse since I last did it. You've been warned

[Tenacity]

Espi, has had the best responses in this thread so far (in my opinion). It baffles me with all of these threads on Sosuave about how Online Dating and meeting women Online equates to low quality, and meeting women in the "field" equates to high quality?

You are going to meet the same types of women online that you meet anywhere else, women online don't come from a different planet, no matter how much you guys want to believe that they do just because YOU have had issues pulling chicks online.

- You have women who are pretty but with bad financial problems

- You have women who have weight issues but everything else is solid

- You have women who are pretty with no financial problems, but have bad personality traits

- You have women who flake on you after giving you their number

- You have women with daddy issues

- You have women that are gold-diggers or attention seekers only

- You have women that are basket cases

- You have divorced women

- You have single mothers

You have exactly what the hell you have with women PERIOD in this market. To say that online is only the low quality portion is insane lol, yet I am seeing this repeated over and over on Sosuave and it baffles the hell out of me.

If online dating is where all of the women on the planet who are low quality go, I would damn sure like for you guys to tell me where in "the field" are all of these quality women at? Women are shyt everywhere because the Market as a whole is shyt (in terms of a quality relationship).

I have been pulling chicks online for almost 7 years now, consistently, so I know what I'm talking about. I also pull in person, to me the only difference between online and in person is HOW I met the chick, the chicks are no damn different.

 

[guru1000]

Smily, buddy, great that you are working out. I would stop the focus on "bulking up" and direct the focus toward losing 20 lbs. pounds to get lean. Then when you are lean, you can bulk up with lean mass gains while keeping your bf levels at relatively low percentages.

There is no shame in holding bf levels above 20%. Just two years ago in a marriage, I was 225 lbs, 25% bf.

BetterCallSaul, I was 188 in that pic. I am now 195, 6'1".

 

[Crossbow]

Espi, has had the best responses in this thread so far (in my opinion). It baffles me with all of these threads on Sosuave about how Online Dating and meeting women Online equates to low quality, and meeting women in the "field" equates to high quality?

You are going to meet the same types of women online that you meet anywhere else, women online don't come from a different planet, no matter how much you guys want to believe that they do just because YOU have had issues pulling chicks online.

- You have women who are pretty but with bad financial problems

- You have women who have weight issues but everything else is solid

- You have women who are pretty with no financial problems, but have bad personality traits

- You have women who flake on you after giving you their number

- You have women with daddy issues

- You have women that are gold-diggers or attention seekers only

- You have women that are basket cases

- You have divorced women

- You have single mothers

You have exactly what the hell you have with women PERIOD in this market. To say that online is only the low quality portion is insane lol, yet I am seeing this repeated over and over on Sosuave and it baffles the hell out of me.

If online dating is where all of the women on the planet who are low quality go, I would damn sure like for you guys to tell me where in "the field" are all of these quality women at? Women are shyt everywhere because the Market as a whole is shyt (in terms of a quality relationship).

I have been pulling chicks online for almost 7 years now, consistently, so I know what I'm talking about. I also pull in person, to me the only difference between online and in person is HOW I met the chick, the chicks are no damn different.

If a dudes life consists of picking up those females that live in bars, are trailer trash, hood rats, club h0es etc. then yes OLD is the same as his real life.

It's like comparing women who are moving ahead in life vs. those who are drug addicts etc that live in dive bars and then saying they're all the same. Completely ridiculous. You could literally Google any reviews on OLD sites, the types of females and men on there and you'll rarely get positive reviews.

But if a dude who doesn't put insane poon on a pedestal and meets chicks VETTING them at work, through family, friends, social circle, events etc. OLD and real life is much different.

Sorry bro I know too many dudes who use or have used OLD and they all have said the vast majority of those females have serious issues, gold diggers, or are trash. Any attractive woman has almost zero excuse to need to use OLD.

Then again I know a lot of dudes on here are pretty much just looking to get laid and quality is out the window for them when searching so long as she looks good at the time.

 

[Cejay]

I've had good luck with OLD.

On OKC I've met and dated several women, I've rejected several as well.

I have not used Tinder. I don't want FB and I want to know a little about her before I invest any time messaging.

I find women on Match are more serious about it (since they have to pay) to be there. Yes there are lots of women with kids, the % of with vs without in the age group I'm shopping is higher.

If I was in my 20's and in School I wouldn't go anywhere near it though might use Tinder.

However in my late 30's with a busy career, work travel, not many friends in my city yet (just moved) OLD is the best option for me. I could cold approach but how do I know if they are single and how do I weed out the ones with kids, etc? I'm going to use Meetups to do this regardless to balance my game.

I am not ripped but women find me handsome. I get plenty of rejection (ignored) and thats to be expected but I get plenty of attention too, depending on the age and their SMV. Yes I get more attention from women with a lower SMV, and often higher age.

Women in their early 40s are aggressive with me, the wall approacheth I guess.

I'm shooting for 33-37 or so and doing OK. I just started up again after getting out of a relationship.
It depends on her SMV vs mine but especially how hot she is. The 8+ probably get flooded with messages. I like a 6-8 in decent shape and am trying for a professional without kids. I'm hoping for lower maintenance and better loyalty.

It'll take time but I'll find her.

CJ.

 

[Amilz]

On Tinder, it seems like half the intros are women saying no fwb or hook ups. I guess they get bombarded with that.

I find too many of the profiles distasteful. When women state things like "I'm awesome" or "do this for me and I'll like you" I mentally check out. No wonder they are getting requests for a ONS. A lot of these women are very average and the demands, requirements are laughable.

They are either bragging about their careers which is not feminine at all to me or they got kids and their kids are their world but they might make time for someone else.

The superficiality is almost childlike.

 

[Obsidian]

On Tinder, it seems like half the intros are women saying no fwb or hook ups. I guess they get bombarded with that.

Heh. I added that to mine so I would be like them.

 

[Amilz]

Be careful about Match.com - for two years after I quit the paid service, to the point that my profile was deleted for nonuse, I was billed every six months. It took me four levels of customer service, until it reached corporate, dropping terms like "credit card fraud" and "federal consumer class action" (I'm an attorney) to get a refund.

Watch your bill like a hawk.

They got me too one time. I cancelled it and then got charged days after the subscription ended. They corrected it right away but things like that aren't an accident. They just hope people don't notice, I think. I think they also send fake "likes" once a subscription is cancelled to get people to return. I find it strange I can go weeks with no likes or winks and then the day I cancel it I get a notice of multiple "likes". Either that or they just send me notice of previous "likes". Just too coincidental.

 

[Solomon]

My thoughts

Espi, has had the best responses in this thread so far (in my opinion). It baffles me with all of these threads on Sosuave about how Online Dating and meeting women Online equates to low quality, and meeting women in the "field" equates to high quality?

You are going to meet the same types of women online that you meet anywhere else, women online don't come from a different planet, no matter how much you guys want to believe that they do just because YOU have had issues pulling chicks online.

- You have women who are pretty but with bad financial problems

- You have women who have weight issues but everything else is solid

- You have women who are pretty with no financial problems, but have bad personality traits

- You have women who flake on you after giving you their number

- You have women with daddy issues

- You have women that are gold-diggers or attention seekers only

- You have women that are basket cases

- You have divorced women

- You have single mothers

You have exactly what the hell you have with women PERIOD in this market. To say that online is only the low quality portion is insane lol, yet I am seeing this repeated over and over on Sosuave and it baffles the hell out of me.

If online dating is where all of the women on the planet who are low quality go, I would damn sure like for you guys to tell me where in "the field" are all of these quality women at? Women are shyt everywhere because the Market as a whole is shyt (in terms of a quality relationship).

I have been pulling chicks online for almost 7 years now, consistently, so I know what I'm talking about. I also pull in person, to me the only difference between online and in person is HOW I met the chick, the chicks are no damn different.

I think Crossbow addressed your post much better than I could, however I do have something to add

If a guy told me "Yo Solo I'm coming to Minneapolis and I got HOT QUALITY WOMEN LINED UP THROUGH POF/OKC/TINDER"

I would laugh at him

This is what He would will find

Exhibit B


What's my point, for any man who thinks these women above are "High" Quality and a FAIR representation of the women that FREQUENT high end night venues at night for example in my town are gravely mistaken and would be a GROSS fraudulent CLAIM!

I honestly don't have anything against guys who do online dating, I've seen tons of success from it in the past as well. But in my experience the women whom I met in person in high end venues (day or night) blow the broads on OLD away

 

[Crossbow]

I think Crossbow addressed your post much better than I could, however I do have something to add

If a guy told me "Yo Solo I'm coming to Minneapolis and I got HOT QUALITY WOMEN LINED UP THROUGH POF/OKC/TINDER"

I would laugh at him

This is what He would will find

Exhibit B


What's my point, for any man who thinks these women above are "High" Quality and a FAIR representation of the women that FREQUENT high end night venues at night for example in my town are gravely mistaken and would be a GROSS fraudulent CLAIM!

I honestly don't have anything against guys who do online dating, I've seen tons of success from it in the past as well. But in my experience the women whom I met in person in high end venues (day or night) blow the broads on OLD away

I'm not trying to put dudes down for using old. Hell ive used it. But to compare it to tons of people i know married in ltrs met through social circles theres no comparison in quality of female regardless of looks. There are hot chicks on match which is a step up from the free garbage and i know tons of hot chicks who arent dating and banging everyone like most dudes on here think. Actually know them not know of them. None of them id ever seen doing old.

True the same ones using old are in real life but like i said its like comparing chicks who live in dive bars are known through their circles as garbage people are gold diggers druggies alcoholics have sh1t personalities mental issues or any combo etc. To true high quality good looking chicks who are nothing like that.

Theres little to no excuse for any especially hot chick to need old when she could get anyone in real life. And the few normal hot ones will be on a short time never to return. Not on for years or months then laughably complaining about every "pervert" yet still living online.

Ive experienced the hot ones online and then in person. Know of a few who are known disasters regardless of being hot on there and wasnt surprised in the least to see them on there.

Theres a poster who used to post on here that lives in tampa whos told me sh1t that dudes wouldnt believe. You cant make these things up if you tried. Hes got 7...SEVEN chicks to meet in four days. Seen pictures and everything. In his words Hes banged about 30 in like 8 months. Straight over their place. Ive seen many pics. Clothed bikini t1ts and totally nude. I swear you think youve heard it all but the sh1t he told me...oh lawd..not just the dirty secks chit but no matter what the types they were no matter how hot. Some of the lowest freaks in the book. Said at times it makes him lose faith in women period.

I laughed and told him: Dude its old. I told you before and im never surprised. Chicks in social circles work through family friends etc. That you can vet as well as others who know them personally and chicks who live for x amount on old that you have no other sources to vet them are two totally different people.

 

[Solomon]

I'm not trying to put dudes down for using old. Hell ive used it. But to compare it to tons of people i know married in ltrs met through social circles theres no comparison in quality of female regardless of looks. There are hot chicks on match which is a step up from the free garbage and i know tons of hot chicks who arent dating and banging everyone like most dudes on here think. Actually know them not know of them. None of them id ever seen doing old.

True the same ones using old are in real life but like i said its like comparing chicks who live in dive bars are known through their circles as garbage people are gold diggers druggies alcoholics have sh1t personalities mental issues or any combo etc. To true high quality good looking chicks who are nothing like that.

Theres little to no excuse for any especially hot chick to need old when she could get anyone in real life. And the few normal hot ones will be on a short time never to return. Not on for years or months then laughably complaining about every "pervert" yet still living online.

Ive experienced the hot ones online and then in person. Know of a few who are known disasters regardless of being hot on there and wasnt surprised in the least to see them on there.

Theres a poster who used to post on here that lives in tampa whos told me sh1t that dudes wouldnt believe. You cant make these things up if you tried. Hes got 7...SEVEN chicks to meet in four days. Seen pictures and everything. In his words Hes banged about 30 in like 8 months. Straight over their place. Ive seen many pics. Clothed bikini t1ts and totally nude. I swear you think youve heard it all but the sh1t he told me...oh lawd..not just the dirty secks chit but no matter what the types they were no matter how hot. Some of the lowest freaks in the book. Said at times it makes him lose faith in women period.

I laughed and told him: Dude its old. I told you before and im never surprised. Chicks in social circles work through family friends etc. That you can vet as well as others who know them personally and chicks who live for x amount on old that you have no other sources to vet them are two totally different people.

+1 REP

I was using looks as an example, but in terms of OVERALL quality I still agree that you're comparing Apples to Oranges with OLD and meeting women in real life.

Most women online in my experince are

Single mothers
Overweight
Lack of Education with low paying Jobs
Socially awkward
Super Sluts/*****s
Crazy
Attention wh0res/Divas
etc

I could tell you some HORROR online stories that would make you question not just women but humanity. Not just of friends experiences but personal experiences as well.


VETTING women is so key and this is why having a Great/Healthy social circle is so critical as you get older.

On another meeting "Quality" women online is a joke

It’s harder to meet quality chicks than in real life.
Online dating is actually much harder then approaching girls in real life. You can’t express your personality as well and you can’t use touch, laughter and eye contact to maintain attraction. It’s hard to convert a message to a girl into a date, especially if your game is just sub-par. These women all want Prince Charming, and you need to assume with every girl who starts talking to you that there’s a good chance she may discard you at the drop of a dime. Sometimes everything will be going perfectly well, but a woman is simply getting so many messages a day that she either forgets about you or stops replying because she’s talking to a few guys who she values as slightly higher quality. Sometimes, you can be ignored just by simply not being a perfectly smooth player for a few messages. There’s no room for error and these women are VERY unforgiving for even the smallest of mistakes. And yes, to them, not being Casanova for a few minutes is you messing up.

The biggest obstacle for men on these sites is that your attractiveness is much more important online then in real life where you can display other things to compensate for your lack of looks. Many women won’t even click on your message if you don’t look attractive in that little picture icon in the corner of their inbox. If they do click on your profile they won’t read it if you’re not sexy to them once they see your full-size pictures.

If you’re a high status man, online dating can be a goldmine of bangs and a potentially good tool for finding wifey as well. Since these men only make up the top 5% of men, most of you who will be reading this won’t be able to identify. I will create another post soon for the average men who do want to attempt online dating anyways, and will lay down some solid advice and openers. Just heed my words when I say that if you’re not good at picking up girls in real life, it won’t be any easier for you online. My advice: try meeting a woman like Rakim does in this song, the sense of accomplishment is much more fulfilling.

Sadly most guys on here don't nor won't have that experince

https://liveandlearnkid.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/why-online-dating-sucks-for-men/

 

[:-)]

Smily, buddy, great that you are working out. I would stop the focus on "bulking up" and direct the focus toward losing 20 lbs. pounds to get lean. Then when you are lean, you can bulk up with lean mass gains while keeping your bf levels at relatively low percentages.

There is no shame in holding bf levels above 20%. Just two years ago in a marriage, I was 225 lbs, 25% bf.
.

 

[Yewki]

You are going to meet the same types of women online that you meet anywhere else, women online don't come from a different planet, no matter how much you guys want to believe that they do just because YOU have had issues pulling chicks online.

The quality of women varies based on where you're looking, and online is not a great place to look for it.

First of all, the women online generally look worse than the "good places" you would go to in real life. But that isn't the biggest problem. The biggest problem is it's a sanctuary for the weirdos and nutjobs. The more normal women on there tend to use it briefly and check out, while the crazier ones hang in longer term. As a result the lower quality women accumulate like a cesspool. See Solomon's post above where he lists the type of women you're more likely to find on there.

Not arguing online is bad, just a bad place for quality.

 

[Amilz]

+1 REP

I was using looks as an example, but in terms of OVERALL quality I still agree that you're comparing Apples to Oranges with OLD and meeting women in real life.

Most women online in my experince are

Single mothers
Overweight
Lack of Education with low paying Jobs
Socially awkward
Super Sluts/*****s
Crazy
Attention wh0res/Divas
etc

I could tell you some HORROR online stories that would make you question not just women but humanity. Not just of friends experiences but personal experiences as well.


VETTING women is so key and this is why having a Great/Healthy social circle is so critical as you get older.

On another meeting "Quality" women online is a joke



https://liveandlearnkid.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/why-online-dating-sucks-for-men/

Actually, a lot of them are professionals with masters and doctorate degrees that put their careers before everything else. Most of the women I've met online are young professionals or not so young professionals. Not on POF but on Match. POF is gutter.

The psychology of it's interesting. I've never seen so many adults comfortable being braggarts. Many are pretty and have good careers but the classlessness of them is surprising. There was this one profile I recently saw of a pretty, tall, skinny blonde (tall and skinny aren't my type). However, she was still very pretty in the face. She said "I will laugh if you are short" in her profile. Words of a professional adult on an online site for anyone to witness their baseness without a care in the world. No filter, no class, no substance yet I bet she's getting tones of positive responses. It's not uncommon for women to be overly prideful without a hint of shame. Maybe it's just society. Maybe it's the city I live in now where this behavior is widely accepted.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Almost every women I met from POF was a few notches down from their pics they posted. Even the recent ones....women know how to take good picture and angles

 

[Amilz]

Almost every women I met from POF was a few notches down from their pics they posted. Even the recent ones....women know how to take good picture and angles

I've only had that happen once on Match but I can imagine it happens often on POF. The funny thing is that this woman looked much more out of shape than her pics was asking me if I looked like I did in my pictures before we met.

 

[guru1000]

Gentlemen, news flash!

Many hot women online airbrush their pics. This is in addition to their masks of makeup, high heels, and mini skirts. So understand, there is no fairness in this game:

Accordingly, photoshop, airbrush your pics; do whatever YOU want.

Just close them in person. Next will come the counterclaim alleging that not sending "correct" pics will reduce their chances of liking you in person. I respond with:

Well then, up your game.

 

[Crossbow]

I could tell you some HORROR online stories that would make you question not just women but humanity. Not just of friends experiences but personal experiences as well.


VETTING women is so key and this is why having a Great/Healthy social circle is so critical as you get older.

On another meeting "Quality" women online is a joke



https://liveandlearnkid.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/why-online-dating-sucks-for-men/

I'd be surprised with nothing you told me. lol. Dude not just the things I know but heard personally from others who are doing OLD..It's like these women are gutter trash no matter how they look.

Match I'd give as highest quality and looks. Though many are on free sites too..

Is that your blog? You like Graff? lol. I've been to 5Pointz and the Graffiti Hall of Fame in Harlem among several other spots. haha.

I've seen your videos solo on OLD. I agree 110%. The actual normal quality chicks are around 1%. The rest are ALWAYS more insane or have much more issues than meeting quality chicks that you can vet through friends, family, social circles etc. I've always said there's a REASON especially any good looking chicks are on for years using OLD. And it ain't good.

I don't hate on dudes who use OLD. I'd encourage them to do it for themselves and have fun with it. But to take those chicks seriously whether you got tons or got nada you'd have to be out of your ever lovin mind.

The hot dudes are ONLY "succeeding" in getting with problem women on there with RARE occasions of maybe finding a gem. The rest of the dudes are actually having a favor done to them by those chicks whether they actually know it or not.

 

[Jaylan]

I never understood all this discussion and emotion over online dating. I treat all dating similarly. Each tactic and avenue used to get dates is merely a supplement to my overall dating strategy.

Because I view online dating as a supplement, I dont take it too seriously. I work with what Ive got going for me, and chat up girls who are interested. If I get some dates, cool....if not, cool. Entitled girls are simply ignored and I go about my day. I feel like as Ive settled into my late 20s, Im much more relaxed and not-giving-a-sh!t when it comes to dating. I care less about impressing so many attractive women, and Im only concerned with the women who actually garner my favor and show their worth.

I havent been on your typical online dating sites in several months though. I mostly use Tinder in the last year, and it works for me ok. Just had a girl ask me out the other day actually lol. Cute lass, so ill see how it goes.

 

[Solomon]

99.999999999999999% of women you meet--online, at bars, in libraries, etc., augment their appearance with pushup bras, panty hose, makeup,...

Women are women--regardless of how you meet them.

But at least I know if I'm attracted to a chick at bar or not on top of that....a chick at a bar can't hide 40 extra pounds that a lot of chicks online hide when you meet in person. How many chicks have you met E that did not look like their pic? My worse experience was a chick who use to be a model, she was a gorgeous blond, when I met her she forgot to tell me she had put on LITERALLY a 100 pounds. It was truly embrassing

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

In person within 5 minutes I can tell you what type of girl I'm dealing with. Body language, eye contact, how chick speaks, etc these things are priceless

How many women can you honestly say where quality women online not because of looks but women you actually could see yourself with in a long term relationship on match/pof/ok cupid?

if quality women were abundant on those sites we wouldn't be talking about how crazy these women are but instead of how we are wanting to marry them and be in long term realtionships

LET ME BE CLEAR I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU, OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO DOES ONLINE DATING (HECK I STILL DO TINDER). I KNOW THIS A FORUM AND SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE DON'T AGREE SOME PEOPLE FEEL THEIR BEING ATTACKED. I'M ACTUALLY ENJOYING THIS THREAD HENCE I'M POSTING MORE THAN USUAL BUT THE REALITY IS FOR MOST GUYS LIKE MYSELF IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT, AND SHOULD BE PROCEEDED AS "PUMP n DUMP" AT BEST.

Actually, a lot of them are professionals with masters and doctorate degrees that put their careers before everything else. Most of the women I've met online are young professionals or not so young professionals. Not on POF but on Match. POF is gutter

Young Professional women who make a lot of money or highly educated have been brainwashed by society and feminism. To pursue more education most of these women have higher than average testosterone in my experience and lack femine energy not all just most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1acQSWkmu7s

^^This women is 44(yeah she is not young), she posts a lot of videos and actually has banging body for her age buuuuuuuut she is single because, she also makes 6 figures but do you think she is quality cause of all this?

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

19 year old chick.....

These are the women most sosuavers are fawning over

It truly is a state of sad affairs

 

[Amilz]

But at least I know if I'm attracted to a chick at bar or not on top of that....a chick at a bar can't hide 40 extra pounds that a lot of chicks online hide when you meet in person. How many chicks have you met E that did not look like their pic? My worse experience was a chick who use to be a model, she was a gorgeous blond, when I met her she forgot to tell me she had put on LITERALLY a 100 pounds. It was truly embrassing

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

In person within 5 minutes I can tell you what type of girl I'm dealing with. Body language, eye contact, how chick speaks, etc these things are priceless

How many women can you honestly say where quality women online not because of looks but women you actually could see yourself with in a long term relationship on match/pof/ok cupid?

if quality women were abundant on those sites we wouldn't be talking about how crazy these women are but instead of how we are wanting to marry them and be in long term realtionships

LET ME BE CLEAR I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU, OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO DOES ONLINE DATING (HECK I STILL DO TINDER). I KNOW THIS A FORUM AND SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE DON'T AGREE SOME PEOPLE FEEL THEIR BEING ATTACKED. I'M ACTUALLY ENJOYING THIS THREAD HENCE I'M POSTING MORE THAN USUAL BUT THE REALITY IS FOR MOST GUYS LIKE MYSELF IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT, AND SHOULD BE PROCEEDED AS "PUMP n DUMP" AT BEST.



Young Professional women who make a lot of money or highly educated have been brainwashed by society and feminism. To pursue more education most of these women have higher than average testosterone in my experience and lack femine energy not all just most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1acQSWkmu7s

^^This women is 44(yeah she is not young), she posts a lot of videos and actually has banging body for her age buuuuuuuut she is single because, she also makes 6 figures but do you think she is quality cause of all this?

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

19 year old chick.....

These are the women most sosuavers are fawning over

It truly is a state of sad affairs

I don't care about them being professionals but for some reason women think academic credentials equate to being impressive and they like to judge based on it.

On another note, I just messaged a girl on POF with a humorous, playful compliment. I never do this for the most part. My first message is generally kind of bland. She responds immediately with a thought out response and then 20 minutes later she deletes the conversation before I can respond. So weird. Why did she even respond in the first place?