Online dating - DJ skills?

FrankWank

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So how do u pull your skills off on a online dating site?
I put my profile up on match and browsed through it and contacted a good share of hb's that caught my interest. Basically when you do this, you put the ball in they're court right? Now what do you do? I know you can just move on since nothing is there, but how do you do the online thing without putting the ball in they're court?
 

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C&F works in Online Dating. Now granted you have to go easy on the C&F until you start a conversation.

The key is YOU MUST GET AN IM going. That's where you win the Online Dating game. It's easy to be C&F on IM. Girls are used to it, it's fun. That's the key, after that it becomes easy.

The first thing you have to do is test to get good at this. Don't just randomly go into your "market area" without a solid and tested marketing plan. So, this requires a plan and a bunch of testing. You don't want to ruin your target market with a poorly planned approach. It took me about a month and a half, but by the time I was ready, my game was pretty spot on.

Take about a dozen pictures, put them all up on www.amihotornot.com. You have to get a good picture. The difference between a 7 picture and a 9 picture is HUGE. What I would recommend doing is go through the guys pictures, and find a bunch of 9's and find one that you can emulate, and take a similar type picture. Use your OWN picture, take a few of them. You need at least 2 preferably 3 good pictures. Want to know how I tested? I took two markets, and sent out 50 emails in each market(a week apart). Same profile, same opening email(a mass email). When I used a picture that was ranked a 7.5(me), I sent out 50, had about 3 returns, none that went anywhere. Then I sent one that was ranked about 9.3, I sent out 50, had about 10 return emails, and at least 15 winks in the same week, could barely stay online as I would get women starting IM conversations over and over. So, you have to get a good picture if you want to test out different profiles and emails. If you have to, while you're figuring out a good picture to test, you can download a 9.5+ picture off of amihotornot.com. But you're going to get a lot of questions of if that is really you, if you only have one picture. Weird thing is until you test on amihotornot.com you'd be surprised how difficult it is for YOU to figure out which is your best picture.

Now, you have a good picture. You have two things to work on. Your email and your profile. Let's work on your profile first. I believe in being honest. I obviously talk about my best features. I talk about some of the things I like to do, the places I've been, etc. And I'm really clear on what I want. No drama queens, no needy people. Just fun people that like to experience new things(ie me). It took me about a dozen trys to find one that worked for me. It was funny and original. If you can find a way to interject humor do so.

It's too difficult to make a new email for every single girl, you have to find a mass email approach. I work more on my approach email than anything else. The picture obviously has to be good, or you won't get any response. But, I have found serious emails don't work. It absolutely HAS to make the girl laugh. If they don't laugh it won't work. One of my best emails was a list of ten reasons why they SHOULDN'T email me. I had them rolling laughing. What I do is I have two specific places in the email where I can put something personal to their profile into the email. That way I can put in something that makes them think it's not a form email. For instance, a line starts. "I found your profile particularly intersting because....."

So, to sum it up. You have three things to test.
1. Your picture.
2. Your Profile
3. Your approach email

To accurately test, you have to only change one thing for each test set you send out. You should be able to test your picture on AmIHotOrNot, and the profiles and emails on Match or whatever you're using.

The whole point is to get the girl on IM. That's where the game is on. You can tell really quickly if this girl is someone you want to get to know better. I am very funny and ****y on IM. I call them brats, always threaten to spank them etc. Just have fun. I don't get sexual until they do. Although many women will talk about it pretty quickly. Ya gotta love those webcams.

There are about 200 metro areas where you can find enough attractive women to send 50 emails to. So, I just take 3 days in every test market. Then change my profile name/area/email/profile. And try another market. I'm just looking for numbers. I have had some areas where I get NO responses, and others where I have gotten over a 50% response. Your target should be at least a 20-30% response rate. Until you get to that point, keep testing. I've met dozens of local girls from online. Some space cadets, some freaks, etc. But, at least a dozen really, really cool girls.

HTH sorry it was so long.

M
 

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Forgot to mention. A weird little thing I found on amihotornot.com. I put the same picture up, in the section of 18-26. And it was rated a 9.3. But, I originally put it up in the 26-35 range, and it was only rated an 8.5. This was the same with a few different pictures. Don't know what the deal with that was.

Just an FYI. I can pull off 26, if you can't don't bother.
 

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Romeo has some great advice there if you want to try online dating!
However, I would add that for most people, online dating is a waste of time.
If you're really photogenic, then maybe. Add to that the fact that the really good looking girls get alot of responses, and then you have to ask yourself, why would a really attractive girl resort to online contacts?
(Answer: because they are usually nuts:)) If you're photogenic and actually really good looking in person too, you don't need online sites anyway.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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You guys just don't get it. :rolleyes: Meeting people online is exactly the same as meeting people face to face, if anything YOU can be more selective.

That brings up a major point, I have yet to hear from any DJ talking about meeting people online (I refuse to call it dating) who mention anything about THEM selecting the women on the dating sites. Every one as talked about either not being approached, not getting emails returned or being fooled into going out with a UG.

What the happened to you guys doing the qualifying? What happened to YOU being in control? Did c&f fly out the door? What about challenge? Guys, the women online are the same women you pass on the street every day, what's the big deal?

I'm going out on a limb here and I may be off base, but I'm curious at just how many DJs here who don't do well online actually do well in a club, or do you rad on clubbing too? I just don't get it, they're just women....
 

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Romeo could you please elaborate more on the first email you send out? Specifically how you give them reasons not to email...?

Could you maybe provide us with some models of your own emails.

Thanks.
 

MRomeo99

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Top Ten Reasons you shouldn’t email me back.
1. If you don’t like to laugh, then you definitely should not email me. I have a tendency to try to have fun in every situation, not good if you’re trying to maintain a healthy depression.
2. If you don’t like people who like to do things other than watch TV every night for six hours, then you definitely should not email me. I have been known to do crazy things like go to comedy clubs on a school night <gasp>, or watch spoken word at a coffee house.
3. If you don’t like people with class, then you definitely should not email me. I am not especially known for any abilities like burping the alphabet, or picking my nose as an appetizer. And I do really crazy things like buying a certain brand of sparkling wine for under $20 that will take Dom Perignon any day. And making the best Caesar salad on the planet. I know it’s crazy talk, I just can’t help myself.
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That's the beginning of the email. Make up your own obviously, but that gives you an idea of how I start off. Finish the list, bust on em a little, invite them to check my profile out, hope that they find what they are looking for, and that my email got them at least a little closer with a smile on their face. Etc, etc, etc.

Try a bunch of different things. I made up a Dr Seuss poem that worked fairly well. I made a Romantic Fantasy email that works REALLY well for certain types of women, you can figure out who they are in their profile. Ideally, you should have two or three different approach emails, and you'll get a feel for what to send to who.

That's why I said you have to practice. You might get it right the first time, but most likely you're going to have to refine different emails. It's better to work on your game for a few weeks/months, to get it really tight, before you actually work on the local girls.

HTH,

M
 
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