One thing I notice about PUA gurus

bukowski_merit

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I myself consider myself to be a bit of a Guru in 3 parts of this "game" (although i have no products or anything):

- Online dating/Texting/Email
- Relationships
- Workplace game.

You'll rarely find me offering advice on anything else on here (although I have tackled almost all other avenues of pickup.)

With that said - I will put down other guys when helping people out.

I will paint a picture and say "don't be this guy."

Beta, AFC, etc. Are just terms to help paint that picture faster (because most guys here know what those terms mean.) But the reality is - it comes down to effective and ineffective. Weak behavior vs. strong behavior.

It's certainly relative. Meaning, what i see as weak behavior - someone else might think is strong behavior. That's fine. But if you're willing to learn from me - it's important to see the difference as I see it. Things I've done differently from those frustrated people who can't figure it out.

I recently helped a real life friend who's 39 get his first piece of @ss in two years! I did it by teaching him some very basic online game stuff. One of the first things I did after teaching him some stuff was send him over to MyYearBook/MeetMe and had him add a bunch of women - and then....... Watch how pathetic most men are when it comes to dealing with those women. How much they kiss the woman's @ss, how much "permission" based (female leading) conversations they had with them, etc. It's pretty disgusting.

I told him, that 95% of those guys will only get laid online by accident. The other 5% will be swimming in pu$$y.

If you're going to be good at something - it's important to separate yourself from those who are not good at it. I think this is true in all aspects of life. Anyone who is at an elite level at something - is going to have a bit of an ego over those who are not. And rightfully so.

For example - they say only (something like) 2% of people who start with an online business will make a profit; the other 98% will fail. Most books on online business (or business in general) will say "this is how not to be a failure". They paint a picture of what a failure is, what he is doing wrong, and then give steps to make sure you are not that failure.

A failure in business = an AFC when it comes to women.... But sometimes a failure in business can fall on an accidentally business model and succeed; same as an AFC can accidentally fall on some pu$$y and get married (happily ever after even).

So it applies to business... And also sports... And also financial info... And also sex... And also music... And many other aspects of life. Even religion... The good people from the deviants (which can even be people in other religions)

It's common to find those who consider themselves 'at the top" separating themselves from those who are among the average. You can point to examples where this is not true - but the person at the top (with guru status) who has no ego - is rare.

I would guess there's a positive psychological effect of such a phenomenon.

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With all that said - most PUA Guru's are not anything close to PUA's or Guru's. They're just Spouting the same words as almost every other PUA over the last 10 years. It's VERY rare to see any kind of PUA come up with anything new.

Most of these guys are married, in committed relationships, or in some cases - not better than the students they teach.

Their ego is false; and only present because the guy in the book they stole their ideas from also had an ego (and he also got his ego from the guy he stole his ideas from, etc).

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I don't really have any hatred for the guys who kiss @ss on dating sites, and try to get women to like them by nicing them to death. These guys are necessary to make me look better. And in most cases are probably pretty cool guys. Same can be said for guys who let women wear the pants in LTRs. It's just... they happen to be ineffective at something I'm effective at.

Most of the time - i don't even think about these people existing. Even when I'm out and surrounded by them. I'm not that egotistical that I think "man look at all these AFCs standing around like wall flowers." I just simply make sure i am not one.

But there's merit's to giving these people names, and painting them as undesirable to people looking to no longer be that type of person.

If you feel that you are the type of person that is commonly put down - and you don't wish to change. How does it hurt you? Other than your "nice guy soul" being sad that some people could possibly use you as an example of what not to be (in the context of picking up women.)

If that's it, and you don't want to be considered that thing... Either separate yourself from the community (and you will no longer have to see it); or make strives to no longer be that thing (at which point - you shouldn't care any longer).
 

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Grown men comlainin' again!

Can't change the world. Rather, change your world.

If you've got a problem with "what they do" and "how they do what they do"; then simply "do you"! Keep the good work up by doing "you", 'stead of thinkin' what 'em gurus been up to.

He thinks he's alpha? Good for/Good luck to him!

Asides, run away from it all you want but DJ=(approximately)PUA [tough one to swallow eh?]. So keep shut with all the PUA-Hate talk, and just keep ballin' yours, doin' things the way YOU feel they should be done.

With that being said, "High status" does attract *****. To what extent you wanna portray this is left to you.

GO DJ.

You: Welcome back Coochieman, it's been a long while. What have you been up to ?

Coochieman: Been chasin' my dreams. Can't be wastin' no time on these hoes. Its me first, family second & money third. Errythin' else is just junk!
 

ilikecharlene

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coochieman said:
Grown men comlainin' again!

Can't change the world. Rather, change your world.

If you've got a problem with "what they do" and "how they do what they do"; then simply "do you"! Keep the good work up by doing "you", 'stead of thinkin' what 'em gurus been up to.

He thinks he's alpha? Good for/Good luck to him!

Asides, run away from it all you want but DJ=(approximately)PUA [tough one to swallow eh?]. So keep shut with all the PUA-Hate talk, and just keep ballin' yours, doin' things the way YOU feel they should be done.

With that being said, "High status" does attract *****. To what extent you wanna portray this is left to you.

GO DJ.

You: Welcome back Coochieman, it's been a long while. What have you been up to ?

Coochieman: Been chasin' my dreams. Can't be wastin' no time on these hoes. Its me first, family second & money third. Errythin' else is just junk!
Are PUAs beyond reproach now?
 

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Bukowski, I agree that terms like AFC, beta, and chode are useful teaching tools. The problem comes when guys take them too literally and then want to paint all guys outside the community as such.

Maybe a guy does okay with women, not great but okay. Maybe his main focus is on his business or other things. He's basically content with his life. I don't think it's right to paint this guy as a stooge or hold him in contempt just because he hasn't gotten interested in pickup.
 
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