Once a slut always a slut?

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So, for the past month or so, I've been dating this girl that has ****ed 17 guys at the ripe old age of 21. She says she wants to exclusively date me, but that I can't call her my girlfriend because she doesn't like how the term implies being "tied down" and how she is really opposed to that label . Me thinks if a 6'5", square jawed beauty asked her to do this, she'd do it. However, I'm the first guy she's ever dated.

The mysterious thing about this girl is that she makes a great traditional girlfriend. She's cute, she cooks really well, she's very submissive in many aspects of her personality (aka good at sex), she's really supportive, really warm/affectionate, extremely stable/unemotional, she'll spend money on me all the time, and sex basically whenever I want. You would think some dude has tried to date her before. I would not feel bad having my mom meet her given how stable and even keel she is.

Unfortunately, she's a ****ing airhead (great SAT score and getting two honors degrees, though) and doesn't care about anything remotely intellectual, so I can't have an enjoyable conversation to save my life with her. She's also a conservative and a devout Christian, which is really bad. Girls suck, though. Good ****ing luck finding a cute girl that likes to nerd out on abstract conversation, isn't masculine, thinks sadness/depression is profound, and isn't a slut.

As a result of the slut factor and her not wanting to be tied down, I've been open to cheating on her and have before with two other girls (insane, power hungry sluts I would never date).

A few weeks ago I heard through the grapevine that she thought I was more into her than she is into me. To test the waters, while coming off of an acid trip a couple weeks ago, I dumped her via SMS citing no connection. As expected, she freaked out like a normal girl.

To put looks theory to the test, I think what's going on here is that she goes to parties and just sluts it up with that tall, muscular, blonde hair, blue eyed, and square jawed beauty. I've seen the guys she's ****ed, they're all way out of her league. They're 9's and she's a 7, so they'd never date her. So, what's going on here is that she keeps getting humped/dumped by them and has literally been desensitized to getting treated like this so often that she doesn't care. All she wants to do is **** hot guys.

I feel like I would be insulting myself exclusively dating her given her history. Do I go ahead and believe the self-proclaimed slut when she says she's reforming for me? Intuition says no. In my part of the world, they call this girl a slampig.
 

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No, a slut is not always a slut. Just like guys go from AFCs to DJs with a little maturity and time women do the same. When I was a youngin I mostly clocked sluts. Some still are but some have completely changed who they are and what they are about. Age 20-30 can really go either way.

By the way at the age of 21 is 17 guys THAT far off from most people? I'm a little older than that but it wouldn't have been out of the question when I was 21...I was closing in or past it at that point for example and I'm no Arthur Fonzarelli...

However if she fvcked all 17 of these guys just yesterday I don't think it's been enough time to have matured out of her sluttiness. There needs to be some time to reflect, cry, chaste, and mature first. Don't do bro.
 

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blueline said:
So, for the past month or so, I've been dating this girl that has ****ed 17 guys at the ripe old age of 21. She says she wants to exclusively date me, but that I can't call her my girlfriend because she doesn't like how the term implies being "tied down" and how she is really opposed to that label
Do not get into a relationship with her. I think you're believing what she's saying too much. Remember to judge a woman by her actions and not her words. Being "tied down" translates to being loyal, exclusive, honest, and basically together with you and she doesn't want that, yet you want to give this girl the green flag?:nono:

It appears to me that you have a mild case of oneitis. I would prescribe you some
"man the f*uck up," but I'm not licensed yet :rolleyes: You aren't loyal to her and cheated because you know what kind of girl she is. If she has screwed attractive dudes before, she will most likely do it again; hence, she doesn't want to be "tied down." Being tied down is a good part of a relationship. Don't get me wrong though, you can still see your friends and do what makes you happy, but you have to take her into account. So let's say you're a huge flirt and you get #'s all the time; if you're with her, you can't do that and that "ties you down."

If you're starting this thread after some weeks seeing her, you're probably going to think about marriage and children when she convinces you. Is this the woman you want t be the mother of your children or the woman you want to be with for a looong time? You said yourself she already doesn't fit the criteria to meet your parents & she's and "airhead."
 

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Im afraid you should move on. A slut is a bad idea for a relationship.
 

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In a situation like this, one is left to look to the great philosopher Ludacris:

"You can't turn a ho in to a housewife. Hos don't act right."

These words sink in deeply.

"Hey, Ho. How you doin? Where you been? Probably doing ho stuff, because there you ho again."

Meditate on that.

The answer, in short, is once a slut always a slut. Sure, there are rare exceptions. Miracles happen. I'd bet a shiny nickel to a sickly donkey that this isn't one of those miracles.

You can't fix a broken *****, you just can't. Most of these girls are wounded on a deep, deep level in a very real way. The sluttiness will be the least of your problems down the road. This woman has disaster written all over her. If you want to **** her, **** her. Thats what bust-downs are for. Woe to he who gets involved with a tramp like this though. Been there, done that, seen friends do it. It always turns out bad. A kicked puppy can seem safe on the surface, but believe you me -- it may not be today, tomorrow or a year from now, but one day that dog is going to bite. When it does, it will be much easier to put it down before you get attatched to her. Wait too late, and you may end up just as mind-****ed as she is.

Even if there was a minute chance of fixing her, do you really want to play therapist/tampon for possibly years? And take all of the bull-**** that comes with that role? I didn't think so. Next that skeezer.
 

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blueline said:
All she wants to do is **** hot guys.
What's wrong with sluts? All most guys want to do is fvck hot girls, and not have exclusive relationships with them.

blueline said:
She says she wants to exclusively date me, but that I can't call her my girlfriend because she doesn't like how the term implies being "tied down" and how she is really opposed to that label.
I'm not 100% sure, but I take this to mean "I like you enough to have some fun with you, but I don't want our relationship to get too serious." That is a total test, and is complete bullshvt. You should call her your girlfriend anyway if you want it that way, and also to bust on her because she's been playing that part anyway.

Remember, she will only cheat on you if you're not having great sex...isn't that what makes a slut a slut anyway?
 

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She's from a divorced family. Her mom is a model that has dated Bernie Williams (yes, the star pitcher) and her dad lives in England. I think they have a good relationship, but she hasn't seen him for like a year. I asked her about her childhood and she said it wasn't normal at all, and didn't give me anymore details.

This girl is so unemotional that it bothers me. The only time I saw her get emotional was when I dumped her (we're back together again obviously). You know how lots of girls will do deep, prolonged eye contact with you during sex or anything in general? She won't. She's said something like "you're worming your way in" when I did it. There is some damage here and I'd like to penetrate the psychological armor. ****ing her obviously doesn't do it. I give her orgasm after orgasm.

What I feel like what is going on here is that this is a girl that is attracted to muscular and tall guys (what girl isn't, ahaha). Unlike most girls, however, she'll let them hump/dump her over and over. Basically, she is not attractive enough to date a 6'4", square jaw, blonde hair/blue eye'd, and muscular guy. Those guys want to date models. She is not a model. So, the best she can do is let these guys **** her when they're drunk.


How does she not get attached? How does she not feel any pain when these guys want nothing to do with her? Hell, I get attached to hot girls when I have sex with them and I'm a guy. Most women get attached far harder than guys do after the first few times they have sex with a guy. How does she deal with getting humped/dumped by these beautiful men? I've been humped/dumped by beautiful girls looking for a quick emotional fix/rebound and good god does it make you feel like ****. I don't care how much of a player you are. You're only a player when the girl is smitten with you, not when she humps/dumps you as a rebound. If I wanted to get off to a beautiful girl, I'd just load up some porn and beat off; I wouldn't have sex.

Personally, I haven't met a single one of the dudes that have ****ed her (okay, I did meet one, but he was obviously drunk and just made her feel really uncomfortable at a party). The other day, she met two of my ex girlfriends (both hotter than her) and at least this was on respectful grounds. Both of those girls definitely loved me at one point (one of them still does, I can tell hahah) and we had profound connections with one another. How has she not experienced this yet in life as a pretty girl? Being in love is seriously one of the best things life has to offer.

I'm gonna bring this up with her.
 

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She would be ok as a FB or POSSIBLY a (non-exclusive) casual gf, but not for a serious exclusive relationship. No matter how hard you give it to her in the bedroom, she will still secretly lust for some tall muscular dude. She's much too young to have gotten that all out of her system, even despite her many conquests.

Now if you told me she was 29 to low thirties and she sl@tted it up when she was younger, then that is a different story. This girl's hot hookups are too recent.
 

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Yupp, there is some truth to that, Danger. So, there are some feelings involved on her end, I can tell. She freaked out so bad when I dumped her the first time.

I have definitely done a great job in leading her on to thinking I like her for anything more than consistent sex and the fact that she's stable. I don't think she's particularly captivating (she's cute [great ass, gorgeous black hair, nice skin, and nice green eyes], but beauty is common).

The time I approached her randomly in the library, I was just trying to get laid; I didn't think it was because I thought she was amazingly attractive. While my ex-gf told her that I talked to her about this beautiful girl I met in the library and wondering why she wouldn't talk to me, I think my ex confused my current girl with some other girl.

She met my dog and most of my friends. I've slept next to her almost everyday of the week I'm not cheating on her. I always get her off when we have sex. I cried next to her once during a movie that made me think about my ex.

I'm gonna send her this email:

"Our culture is so pervasively infused with this idea of love being a necessity in life that I will take it from any source that wants to give it to me. I'll do this even if I don't feel a mental connection with them just because I want that feeling of being totally accepted and wanted by someone. Is this appropriate, though? Should you really be giving people pieces of yourself like that when you're knowingly giving the other person pieces of your puzzle that do not fit in their puzzle? Is being in love simply having a beautiful person that has consistently great sex with you, is really sweet/supportive, stable, makes great food, makes you feel comfortable, and is pleasant to be around? That's certainly everything you need for a good lover. Is it what I want in a relationship? It's definitely a now required part of it. However, the most critical component for me here is friendship. How am I going to spend time with someone I can't talk about the aspects of life that I'm passionate about with? Can I grow as a person with this girl? The answer to both of these questions is that I can't with you.

Even for a couple months, I can't be selfish and tie down a person as wonderful (I mean this, you are a great girl) as you from meeting other people because you're in an exclusive relationship with me. Your twenties are meant to be enjoyed. We only have superficialities in common. Who knows, maybe you'll meet someone that is extroverted, muscular, happier, and likes to dance.

Sorry. Letting you go pains me quite a bit. If you want to talk to me about this immediately, do it through email. I am awful at articulating myself in person when the emotions are still this raw and I'm highly suggestible. If you still want to talk about this, call me in a couple weeks.

Best of luck,

blueline"
 

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blueline said:
I'm gonna send her this email:

"Our culture is so pervasively infused with this idea of love being a necessity in life that I will take it from any source that wants to give it to me. I'll do this even if I don't feel a mental connection with them just because I want that feeling of being totally accepted and wanted by someone. Is this appropriate, though? Should you really be giving people pieces of yourself like that when you're knowingly giving the other person pieces of your puzzle that do not fit in their puzzle? Is being in love simply having a beautiful person that has consistently great sex with you, is really sweet/supportive, stable, makes great food, makes you feel comfortable, and is pleasant to be around? That's certainly everything you need for a good lover. Is it what I want in a relationship? It's definitely a now required part of it. However, the most critical component for me here is friendship. How am I going to spend time with someone I can't talk about the aspects of life that I'm passionate about with? Can I grow as a person with this girl? The answer to both of these questions is that I can't with you.

Even for a couple months, I can't be selfish and tie down a person as wonderful (I mean this, you are a great girl) as you from meeting other people because you're in an exclusive relationship with me. Your twenties are meant to be enjoyed. We only have superficialities in common. Who knows, maybe you'll meet someone that is extroverted, muscular, happier, and likes to dance.

Sorry. Letting you go pains me quite a bit. If you want to talk to me about this immediately, do it through email. I am awful at articulating myself in person when the emotions are still this raw and I'm highly suggestible. If you still want to talk about this, call me in a couple weeks.

Best of luck,

blueline"
Personally, I wouldn't send a long e-mail like this.

Better to gradually fade out of the picture, but keep in contact with a view towards adding her to your FB rotation.
 

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You know what she will think when she reads that email?? "What a douchebag!" haha Then, she will show it to all her friends. Then show it to her parents, then, type it out on the internet and make fun of you. SHE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. Either stop talking to her, or fuvk her. Dumb ass.
 

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blueline said:
She's also a conservative and a devout Christian, which is really bad.
Ok, I'm really tired of the hypocrisy here. It's like saying we help people around the world yet go to war with countries who didn't attack us.. Oh wait the U.S. does that already.

With the story you gave us, I highly doubt she's conservative, or a devout Christian. I wouldn't mind u explain further how you came to this conclusion.
 

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blueline said:
Yupp, there is some truth to that, Danger. So, there are some feelings involved on her end, I can tell. She freaked out so bad when I dumped her the first time.

I have definitely done a great job in leading her on to thinking I like her for anything more than consistent sex and the fact that she's stable. I don't think she's particularly captivating (she's cute [great ass, gorgeous black hair, nice skin, and nice green eyes], but beauty is common).

The time I approached her randomly in the library, I was just trying to get laid; I didn't think it was because I thought she was amazingly attractive. While my ex-gf told her that I talked to her about this beautiful girl I met in the library and wondering why she wouldn't talk to me, I think my ex confused my current girl with some other girl.

She met my dog and most of my friends. I've slept next to her almost everyday of the week I'm not cheating on her. I always get her off when we have sex. I cried next to her once during a movie that made me think about my ex.

I'm gonna send her this email:

"Our culture is so pervasively infused with this idea of love being a necessity in life that I will take it from any source that wants to give it to me. I'll do this even if I don't feel a mental connection with them just because I want that feeling of being totally accepted and wanted by someone. Is this appropriate, though? Should you really be giving people pieces of yourself like that when you're knowingly giving the other person pieces of your puzzle that do not fit in their puzzle? Is being in love simply having a beautiful person that has consistently great sex with you, is really sweet/supportive, stable, makes great food, makes you feel comfortable, and is pleasant to be around? That's certainly everything you need for a good lover. Is it what I want in a relationship? It's definitely a now required part of it. However, the most critical component for me here is friendship. How am I going to spend time with someone I can't talk about the aspects of life that I'm passionate about with? Can I grow as a person with this girl? The answer to both of these questions is that I can't with you.

Even for a couple months, I can't be selfish and tie down a person as wonderful (I mean this, you are a great girl) as you from meeting other people because you're in an exclusive relationship with me. Your twenties are meant to be enjoyed. We only have superficialities in common. Who knows, maybe you'll meet someone that is extroverted, muscular, happier, and likes to dance.

Sorry. Letting you go pains me quite a bit. If you want to talk to me about this immediately, do it through email. I am awful at articulating myself in person when the emotions are still this raw and I'm highly suggestible. If you still want to talk about this, call me in a couple weeks.

Best of luck,

blueline"
Who are you, the next Socrates? She's a slut for God's sakes, just dump her ass and tell her she isn't good for you. No need to put her on a pedestal and tell her you think she's so "wonderful" & you're not good enough for her.
 

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Many people who claim to be Christian.....aren't,they are using it to run a scam on someone.

Her dynamic of f&cking the hotter guys.... thats just a sign of the times. In the 40's and 50's those guys wouldn't be getting all the free sex in the world single,so they would marry at their level and take themselves off the market. So, a 7 wouldn't be getting lucky with them and thinking she deserved that level of man[we all know we'll drop down a level or 3 to get laid,women don't get it]
 

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I'm in the Mood said:
Remember, she will only cheat on you if you're not having great sex...isn't that what makes a slut a slut anyway?
That is total bullshyt. I know this from experience.
 

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blueline said:
So, for the past month or so, I've been dating this girl that has ****ed 17 guys at the ripe old age of 21....

She's also a conservative and a devout Christian, which is really bad.
How convenient. She gets to wh0re it up but still pretend she's holier than others.

Truly devout conservative Christian girls don't sleep with every member of the local football team.
 

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The 17 guys don't bother me that much... we've all done some sleeping around. What kind of bothers me is that you know it. I know it's always hard not to talk about it, but seriously, getting answers like this is why you shouldn't ask those questions. The past is the past.

Still, she sounds like bad news. From personal experience, if this early in the relationship - whatever its nature may be - you're here asking these questions and wondering about these points, then I highly recommend you get the hell out of there before you get burned.

I KNOW it's hard, and it's always easy to talk when you're not inside the situation, but seriously look at the facts. Even now you're already wondering about her motives and thoughts. This is no good.

All the advantages she has are great, but a nice definition of a working relationship I read on here once basically said that it is one where we don't see you posting about that girl.
 

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I don't know why you would even make her your girlfriend in the first place. She doesn't sound like a great catch to me.
 

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She does not want to date you exclusively. Its obvious....
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

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