On Paying

Vassago

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Here is a a sad story I hear over and over again...

“I met this girl at the bar and I bought her and her friends a few rounds, and everything was going great. I skipped out to use the restroom and when I came back they were talking to some other guys, and it seemed like they wanted nothing to do with me! What happened?”

Ouch…Bad memories!

Or how about...

"Man, I don't know about these east coast women...My girlfriend expects me to pay for EVERYTHING! We went to the gas station and she wanted me to pay for gas for HER car! What's up with that?"

I hope I don’t need to tell you what is wrong with this picture. The examples may sound like jokes, but believe me, this is reality for a lot of guys out there.

The way the money situation it is handling during your first few meetings will set the standard for the relationship, and women will pass judgment on you depending on the way you treat it. One of the main reasons why I like going out with a women is to pass the same judgment ON HER…AKA Am I dealing with a “Gold Diggin Hoe” or not?

When I first meet a girl out at a bar or club, I WILL NOT pay for any drinks. If a girl asks you to buy her a drink and you comply, you should forget about taking her home and start thinking about what hand you feel like masturbating with, because you’ve just gotten her liquored up for someone else! If I end up spending some time with her at the club and I know it’s going to be a long night, I may buy a round for us to loosen up, but only when it’s a sure thing.

Dating is a different situation. As you know, my dates are reserved for quality women, preferably women I am already banging. Most of the girls I have taken out to dinner have offered to pay their way, but being the gentlemen that I am I will always take care of the bill. If she doesn’t at least offer I consider it a big red light, and I can hear the “Gold Diggin Hoes” song is playing over and over in again in my head!

When the bill comes I will throw down my card and wait for her reaction. When she offers I say “Hey…Who do you think you’re with? Come on!” which has a very potent double meaning. It says “Who do you think I am, someone who can’t afford to pay for dinner?” while at the same time saying “Who do you think your with…Your brother or something? I’m paying for this because I am a man and we are getting it on!” These subtle things are the key to power with women.

It is important to let her know that you aren’t her daddy and you aren’t going to pay for everything, so then I say something along the lines of “You can get the next one” or “You can buy me a beer at the concert”. If I pay for dinner and we go to a movie afterwards and she pays for the movie, the balance is there and everything is fine. But if we go to dinner and I pay for dinner, the movie, AND the snacks, we have a serious problem. Not only are you out some dough, but now she is accustomed to you paying for everything, and she will expect this from you FOREVER!

Break the mold! You can't buy love, and your shouldn't have to!
 

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That was quite detailed!

Some answers for me when and how to pay on dates, many thanx :).

And yeah, paying in clubs is big NO - I`m just waiting for next time some girl will ASK me to buy her a drink, to answer her I don`t buy drinks to girls, but you can buy me one if you want. I don`t remember from where I got this one, but it`s good.
 

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Vassago,

It's good to see you posting here again. We can always benefit to hear from experienced guys like yourself.

Originally posted by Cyledehysp
I`m just waiting for next time some girl will ASK me to buy her a drink, to answer her I don`t buy drinks to girls, but you can buy me one if you want. I don`t remember from where I got this one, but it`s good.
I don't like this reply. I think it tries to hard to consciously spell out the message of "I am the prize and you have to win my approval". When you are that explicit with such a message it will inspire ridicule because it actually conveys the opposite message.

What I like better is to repsond to the request for a drink (direct or implied) by asking why she feels you should buy her a drink. Of course anything she comes up with is something to which you can reply with something to the effect of "I can have that WITHOUT buying a drink."

A good example of this was hannibal82 who was recently told by a girl in a club "if you buy me a drink, I will give you a kiss" to which he laughed and replied, "why would I do that when I can get all the kisses I can handle without buying ANY drinks?"

Do you see the difference? This kind of approach actually DOES put her in a position of trying to win your approval. The approach you are recommending only communicates that you WISH that were the case.

-PDX
 

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In first situation, "my", I don`t buy her drink because of my RULES, in second - because i don`t NEED to.. Yea, now I see. (and also it really is said too strong, like I must prove her something, so it makes it weeker after all)

I never tried to think about it like that - I should have.

You also write about direct or implied request for drink. Indirect happend to me 2 weeks ago, in a club, we were talking by the bar, and she said something like that she wants a drink - I was just smiling... I was thinking - she probly wants me to buy her, but, hehe, now way. Now I think - should I treat it just as request for drink and laungh response you`v just showed me?

After she said something like I`m firsty / I`d love a dring - it`s occasion to say "do you want me to buy you a drink?" (just to make her say yes/sure/why not and than follow your advice). BUT - if somehow she`ll refuse, this will put me in a baaad situation - she`ll think I was trying to buy her.....
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Originally posted by Cyledehysp
After she said something like I`m firsty / I`d love a dring
If she says that she doesn't need another drink. She needs to be taken home... to your place. :D
 
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