Older women are easier and play less games.

[Oatmeal31]

I have found older women much more receptive. I'm not talking middle aged only either. Hell, I'm 26 and I recently pulled a 29 yr old and found it much easier. They are much more open to being hit on, they are better conversationalists, and it's just easier to catch them. Older women are also USUALLY much more open to approaches and more polite in turning down advances in my experience.

On the other hand, I find girls in their early 20s much more difficult to get. When they hang out in groups they can get bold and rude as well. Not always, just often enough to note.

I'm thinking that it's because they have less options as they get older and they don't get as much attention as they used to, so the bar to entry is lower, even with the very attractive older woman.

Has this been anyone else's experience?

 

[SW15]

Has this been anyone else's experience?

No. Older women still demand the same treatment as women 18-25, but with declining looks. Yes, there are attractive women in their 30s and even some in their 40s. It's not the same as women's peak appearance years.

I'm thinking that it's because they have less options as they get older and they don't get as much attention as they used to, so the bar to entry is lower, even with the very attractive older woman.

This might have been true 20-30 years ago, but it's not true now. The prevalence of the internet has changed this.

While many 30+ women might see a slowdown in their in-person attention, that has little relevance to their lives. Most women in their 30s/40s now have an online presence where they are fielding more requests than they could field if they didn't use the internet and went out to bars 3 nights a week to meet men. This is a combination of swipe apps and social media. With social media, it's not just Instagram DMs. Women still generate interest on Facebook and X. Women are also getting requests for dates and sex on LinkedIn too.

There are plenty of reports of women 50+ getting loads of requests for dates/sex online.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It depends on if the woman has been humbled/is ready to have children and gets her act together. Otherwise, @SW15 is correct lol. Older women have high smv and have zero reason to behave appropriately.

 

[characternote]

I got for women who are like 26-35 when i'm on a dry spell and cna't stomach any more rejection from the 18 year olds lol. Way easier for me, personally. (hot 18 year olds have insane SMV of course.)

 

[Vanderdonck]

Not my experience. Depends largely on the woman. Age and maturity are not the same thing. Some women I've been with in their early 20s are very mature, plus they still have a fun youthful attitude. Others not so much. Same goes for the cougars.

 

[The Duke]

I think the correct assumption is it depends on where her interest level is. I've dated all ages from 22-50 and regardless of age, they play games if their interest isn't there.

 

[Gamisch]

Very much a case of "it happened once so I concluded " .

 

[Bokanovsky]

I have found older women much more receptive. I'm not talking middle aged only either. Hell, I'm 26 and I recently pulled a 29 yr old and found it much easier. They are much more open to being hit on, they are better conversationalists, and it's just easier to catch them. Older women are also USUALLY much more open to approaches and more polite in turning down advances in my experience.

On the other hand, I find girls in their early 20s much more difficult to get. When they hang out in groups they can get bold and rude as well. Not always, just often enough to note.

I'm thinking that it's because they have less options as they get older and they don't get as much attention as they used to, so the bar to entry is lower, even with the very attractive older woman.

Has this been anyone else's experience?

Older women have their own issues, such as significant psychological damage caused by multiple failed relationships.

 

[SW15]

Older women have their own issues, such as significant psychological damage caused by multiple failed relationships.

As relationships go on, these tend to come up and cause more issues.

they are better conversationalists

This can happen (not a guarantee) but it doesn't mean that much.

Something I have seen before in the early stages of interactions with 30+ women is that they are more open to getting together for 1st or 2nd dates on Friday or Saturday night. This is because most of their friends are married women (sometimes married women with children) or women in long term non-marital relationships. They might not have as many friends available to get together during peak periods.

Good luck getting a woman 18-29 to give up a Fri/Sat night for a 1st or 2nd date. They won't do it.

The common thing would be to schedule weeknight dates as first dates, even with 30+ women. I do that and have been counteroffered with a Friday or Saturday night.

 

[BPH]

I've found the opposite to be true in most cases.

Most older women I've come across have more requirements they want met, and are often less promiscuous. Compared to younger women, it'd be like spending more for less.

In your case a 29 year old is not "older", just older than YOU. I've found that women come into their own after college and have more of a personal identity. In college they're more likely to be cliqued up and have a "group think" with their sorority or friend group as to how "high tier" a man has to be within the college to be somebody they'd sleep with.

After graduation, a lot of these friendships naturally drift and they're left with a core group and their own preferences. So long as you're doing reasonably well and are good-looking enough you don't have to be in X fraternity or on Y sports team to have a chance.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Younger women are more immature, impulsive & childlike. Older women are more manipulative have guile & have better social skills. I find younger women easier to deal with.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Younger women are more immature, impulsive & childlike. Older women are more manipulative have guile & have better social skills. I find younger women easier to deal with.

You find older women more manipulative? Interesting. Had the complete opposite experience. Mileage varies then

I just have limited experience though

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Women never stop playing games. Older women are just playing different games.

On the other hand, I find girls in their early 20s much more difficult to get.

Everyone does. I always find it hilarious when haggard older women try to shame men who date younger, usually by making clown statements such as "he's only with her because he can't get women his own age" as if to imply younger women are easier, or older women are harder. Younger women are universally more desirable in just about every single way. If you think older women aren't playing games, you need to pay attention more, or your sample size is too small.

 

[characternote]

by making clown statements such as "he's only with her because he can't get women his own age" as if to imply younger women are easier, or older women are harder.

true lol
As someone who basically only goes for teenagers to very early 20's I've had my fair share of comments like that.

I'm not some young Dicaprio looking dude and so I of course get a TONNE of rejection. Often almost instant. It is what it is. There's nothing I can do about that (I already look MY best). But I still have had my fair share of really hot girls half my age as a result of approaching so damn much and basically 'making my own luck' (exploiting the fact that not ALL hot girls have traditional tastes lol)

And so i'm aware of them comments. I often heard 'You only go for these young ones because they're so easy to 'manipulate' and seduce into bed'

It's like 'can you hear yourself?!!'. Why are so many guys paying these 18 year olds money to see them naked on only fans? Why not just 'manipulate them' and get to actually bang them!! and for free!! it's so easy, right? Why are men either flat out buying these young girls or in some cases risking their freedom and raping them! Even famous men! Why not just 'seduce' them?!! haha. It's so funny. They speak as though they're talking about 6 year old girls who you could just use reverse psychology on or something!

When i'm on a dry spell is when I DO go for the older women! About 50x easier lol.

It's usually girls who say it but I remember some geeky slob guy who was a friend of a friend saying similar stuff to me and I BEGGED him to go and hit on the really cute 18 year old stunner at the bar if for no other reason than to prove his point.I was like 'you don't have to bang her! It's nothing immoral. Just go talk to her, seduce her and get her number'... I wonder if deep down he knew that she would just look at him with some disgust and essentially completely ignore his attempts at 'seducing' her? I'm not even so sure, tbh! I think he really believed it!

 

[SW15]

Most older women I've come across have more requirements they want met, and are often less promiscuous.

Many older women would like to have more sex but often let their requirements get in the way of that.

After graduation, a lot of these friendships naturally drift and they're left with a core group and their own preferences. So long as you're doing reasonably well and are good-looking enough you don't have to be in X fraternity or on Y sports team to have a chance.

This is true for women that go to college but not detailed enough.

For women that go to college, they will often relocate somewhere else after college graduation. A lot of big USA cities are filled with recent college graduates who have relocated to that city for their first post college job. In some cases, that big city is the big city near the suburb where they grew up.

I'll give a good example of this. A female grows up in one of the suburbs of Dallas like Plano or McKinney. She goes to college at University of Texas (Austin) or Texas A&M (College Station). After college, she may end up back in Dallas but in the city itself and not the Dallas suburbs where she was as a child. That's a basic example. Some women relocate to cities after college where they have had no local ties prior to college. A woman like the first example would be more likely to date through her social circle than anything. Now, if the woman in that example relocated to Denver, Miami, or Houston, then she would be more active at bars, in co-ed sports leagues, or on swipe apps.

When I dated online in Dallas, I noticed that most of the women I met had few local ties to Dallas from their formative years. Most grew up out of state and they often went to out of state colleges.

What I described covers women from graduation (typically ages 22-23) to 29. After 30, most childless women with bachelor's degrees have some social circle challenges. 30+ year old single childless women often struggle to find pother single, childless women for friendships. Their core groups of friends are often married women (often with children) or women in longer term relationships.

For 30+ year old women, the influence of their core friend group is reduced because their core friend group is occupied with married and/or parent life.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

And so i'm aware of them comments. I often heard 'You only go for these young ones because they're so easy to 'manipulate' and seduce into bed'

That's just projection, a lot of women's criticisms comes from their solipcism and the resulting projections. Women's entire world is manipulation, so they assume men's modus operandi is the same. Younger women can be just as manipulative if not moreso; plenty of them take advantage of older men to get access to their status/resources, but remember, women can only be victims, so this doesn't factor in. Women learn to be manipulative from a very early age, and arguably younger women are even better at it because they can pretend to be dumb and naive (a common manipulative tactic women use), and use their looks to leverage desirable outcomes better than older women can.

It's usually girls who say it but I remember some geeky slob guy who was a friend of a friend saying similar stuff

It's almost certainly a defense mechanism for the men who say this sort of stuff, as you alluded to. They know deep down they can't get these younger women, so they shame the men who can and pretend they're too high and mighty for it. It reminds me of when Tiger Woods was being blasted by the media for cheating, you'd see some diabetic man with a receding hair line and man boobs say "I'd never cheat on my wife like that!" as if to imply he has buses full of hot Scandinavian women lining up for his dvck, when in reality he couldn't cheat even if he wanted to, and that's the case for most men. I think if every man was capable of what doing what Tiger Woods or DeCaprio does, the majority of them would.

Anyway, when you break it all down, it's not really much different whether it's from men or women, it's always rooted in jealousy and projection, pure and simple. People are surprisingly shallow and transparent.