Old girlfriend- new game

[zekko]

My theory is that women will willingly submit themselves to an orbiter role ( just like most men would )

Orbiters, plates, what's the difference really? I know in this case you're talking about an orbiter as being in the friend zone. But I don't think all (male) orbiters are necessarily strictly platonic. After all, most beautiful women EXPECT their male friends to fall in love with them. Sometimes they may give out a little sample just to keep them strung along.
But essentially, isn't a guy spinning plates basically a guy who has orbiters?

Don't get me wrong, I like the game you are laying down and I like how you are handling yourself, but dude are you getting what you really want? Where's the pvssy pounding or are you playing some sort of long game here? At the end of the day I want to get laid and not have to deal with too much bs. This seems all games and BS dealings and no fvcking. Clue me in.

This crossed my mind as well, there seems to be a lot of BS going on I would rather just not deal with. But he definitely has the frame so that's not a bad thing.
I would also say that, as an older fellow, I like pounding pvssy as well as the next fellow. But I think that when you get older, it isn't the be all end all it was when you were younger. I wouldn't look at how often you get laid as a good guage of happiness.

 

[Proselytiser]

I agree with the site's rationale that living life on your own terms is the goal, not getting laid, so if jo is enjoying himself, he is achieving his goal...

 

[cedd]

I agree with the site's rationale that living life on your own terms is the goal, not getting laid, so if jo is enjoying himself, he is achieving his goal...

I couldnt agree that much

 

[jophil28]

Update on LJBF -

Well, here are few surprises -

The story so far -
A recent g/f (HB) of almost a year has found herself in the FZ because she went to a shrink for a b1tchfest about me without telling me first what her gripes were.
Then along came MA who is an old g/f from 1998 .She broke up with her last B/f about a year ago and she contacted me recently a few times. I took her out for dinner on her birthday a week or so ago. Nice. I sensed that she wanted me to occupy the vacant space in her life until she found a new B/f. So I stuck her in the FZ too. THis presented me with an opportunity to observe what these women would do after being LJBF'ed.
I was expecting both of these women to activate the pvssy hoover to draw me me back into their sphere of influence- well I was wrong ( so far anyway )

Both of them are acting as if they are just getting to know me all over again.
It is as if we are replaying those first few weeks of talking and connecting. They are both being attentive, mildly flirty and eager for contact.

The length of MA's emails has increased from an average ten words to about one hundred. She is chatting about any and all manner of stuff. about her daughters and Christmas and such. It is mainly prattle but with 'hints' . SHe mentioned last night via email that she is " keen to go out dancing -what's on around town ?"
I ignored that email until tonight and then suggested to met up next Wednesday.

HB, on the other hand, is trying her best to pretend that my FZ demotion of her never happened. With her it is 'business as usual'..( she hopes). She invited me to attend her family Christmas dinner, I declined.

I don't know what to make of this except to report their reactions. Both have certainly assumed a somewhat submissive or 'girly' posture much like I remember when I started dating them. IT is as if we have returned to that early time, two weeks in.

Is this making sense ?

More at 11.

 

[logic1]

What you say is happening with MA is what the shrink said needs to happen. IE. Start over and start dating again????

Jophil are you trying to create situations which make for high sexual tensions? Like foreplay for a couple of months?

I dont know about this.

I like to enjoy the company of women which includes fun and bending them over the kitchen table a few times a week.

We know women dont make good freinds. For now I think it might be a waste of energy.

What will you do when they start going cold?

 

[Warrior74]

Warrior, I have access to as much pvzzy as I want.

That's all you had to say. Carry on.

 

[grinder]

This experiment could go on for months, leaving all involved with a mild headache. With so many fresh faces out there to play with I’m just not following the energy expenditure on these two, well, essentially, dead ends.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Always let women figure out for themselves why they wont ƒuck you, don't do it for them. Let a woman's imagination do the heavy lifting for you by being intentionally (but covertly) ambiguous about your purpose. You will always make a bigger psychological impact on a woman when she thinks she's figured out your intent after a period of doubt, than overtly spelling it out for her in big bold letters. This is why an element of bad-boy mystery is so vital for a Men. Nothing is more gratifying for women than to feel as though their intuition was correct about a man's covert intent, no matter how poorly hidden it may have been.

I saw that bolded sentence and I have to say I agree with it and the rest of the paragraph. I think premptively LJBF with words is more likely to put the idea in her head that it is her idea to LJBF. Best to make her wonder about your intentions or show her some sexual disinterest until you can sense she is wondering then make your move.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

This experiment could go on for months, leaving all involved with a mild headache. With so many fresh faces out there to play with I’m just not following the energy expenditure on these two, well, essentially, dead ends.

jophil is the new str8up

 

[jophil28]

I think Jophil is field-testing and reporting results.

I often read about "time spent" or "energy wasted" on situations such as this......and if there is something valuable to be learned, are you really wasting time and energy? And do you really think he is wasting that much time on them? Sounds like the women are doing most of the time-consuming.

Yes, indeed they are...This has been an informative experiment, but I take Grinder's point.

 

[Joe Stud]

i like it... keep us posted bro

 

[Romjuan]

jophil, what ever happend with the fz on ma? did you ever get that bang? did she initiate wanting more?

 

[Joe Stud]

follow up jo

 

[SoldMySoul]

Always let women figure out for themselves why they wont ƒuck you, don't do it for them. Let a woman's imagination do the heavy lifting for you by being intentionally (but covertly) ambiguous about your purpose. You will always make a bigger psychological impact on a woman when she thinks she's figured out your intent after a period of doubt, than overtly spelling it out for her in big bold letters. This is why an element of bad-boy mystery is so vital for a Men. Nothing is more gratifying for women than to feel as though their intuition was correct about a man's covert intent, no matter how poorly hidden it may have been.

Freaking brilliant!!! Good luck Jop!!!

 

[jophil28]

jophil, what ever happend with the fz on ma? did you ever get that bang? did she initiate wanting more?

Here is the short version of the latest.

Got an email from her about two weeks ago asking whether she should insist that her new guy use a condom . She made a point of telling me that they have not "done it yet." ( one week romance)
Also told me that he was pushing her at turbo speed to be in a permanent relationship.

I sense a mindgame in progress.
I reply that I am not the person to ask but because we are now "jsut friends" I can offer some advice. I reminded her that she and I did the condom thing for months back in the day.

She says "OK, thanks"

Two days ago I get another email telling me that when she asked him "Did you bring a condom?" He bolted in a huff .

Since then she has sent a couple more emails lamenting the condition of her favorite vibrator , "The head is broken and it makes a godawful noise - wakes the neighbors."

She is going on a Winnabago camping vacation for two weeks with her sister.
I ask her if she is taking her vib ?

She says no.

more later..

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I sense a mindgame in progress.

the only mind game is the one you are playing on yourself.

You're her new girlfriend.

 

[jophil28]

the only mind game is the one you are playing on yourself.

You're her new girlfriend.

You just can't resist the temptation to make a whiny b!tch comment can you .

Your frequent cheap sn1ggering shots at me are pathetic considering that you have never revealed one small detail about your credentials, or your personal life with women. Instead you choose to snipe from the safety of the shadows of anonymity and personal secrecy.

The other regular contributors on this board have all spoken( including Rollo) about their personal experiences and tribulations with women , all except you.

Why not you ?

 

[Proselytiser]

^ I don't see how his personal life is relevant

It does sound like she is trying to push you into the friendzone... it'd be good if you expanded on your responses/how you plan to respond

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear All,
I think Tokyo has a very different mindset to most guys on this site,he often has quite a novel and insightful approach to problems,for that reason he is a very valuable member of our community.....Pity that he is a bit like Sancho Panza and likes tilting at Windmills....As for Jophil well he would have gained a reputation not just on this site but in the Social groups he moves amongst,particularly the Dancing Scene as a pop Psychologist,a dating Guru....This silly Woman is acting out the role of a mouse playing with the Cat....As I have opined before she sees herself in Jos role and likes to spar with him,it gives an illusion of equality.....What gives her away is that she never came across on her Birthday,that shows that she has a weird unhealthy agenda,Birds always put out on their Birthday and Christmas...But Jophil,do you feel this Woman,who is probably quite respected by the more impressionable elements in your Dancing group,could be badmouthing you?

 

[Jitterbug]

I think some of your audience really want to fast-forward to the sex scene, Uncle Jophil. The stimulating dialogue doesn't do it for them anymore, and they're reaching for the remote as well as their pants.