Ok this **** is getting old

[Borknagar]

I wanna know if some of you have this huge problem.

Pretty much every really or at least pretty attractive women flakes, via ignoring texts, or whatever. And this is after the date, it doesn't matter how the vibe goes, but this is has got old. Old enough to give up.

I spin plates don't get me wrong but they almost always go bad. The onl women I can get are 4-5s. I think that I'm eventually going to have to settle, an it sucks! Like lets take the last flake for example, has dinner and drinks at a nice place, conversation went well, laughs, and what not. She even suggested meeting up at a club or bar over the weekend during the evening if we both happen to be in the same area.

Later on, I texted her "Well I decided you are pretty cute " Shes like "Well thank you!, sorry I'm lame during the week and can't hang out later" Cause the date was short cause it was a weekday and she had to be up for work in the morning. So I texted her back "Yeah you suck! lol j/k make up for it next time" no response, and no response to anything else after that.

We met when her and her friend grabbed by ass at the club/bar.

Seriously, wtf is with women? Thats just an example, but out of i'd say 25 dates I've had in the last year(and 100s of number closes) one kinda panned out that was attractive. Panned out in at least seeing her for awhile, she was a moron like most chicks so that died out. I have banged a couple pretty good looking women. but that I figure was just luck.

Annoying, and makes me wanna not even bother with dates, have 3 do this crap in a week about a month ago! Lame as ****.

Is it time for me to hang it up and realize that it's only possible to get women that are 5-6(a 6 if Im lucky)?? then again, accoring to some ratings on here and picture examples, I don't think a 6 and only a few 5s are within my reach. 4s are probably my best bet.

Kinda sucks when you do get good looking women to approach you at clubs and bars. Of course the interest is false.

 

[f283000]

Don't blame the woman...BLAME YOURSELF!

Realize this. If a woman agrees to go out with you it is because she finds you interesting/attractive enough to be a possible LOVER. If you end up failing don't blame them since they agreed to go out with you. Blame yourself for not closing the deal!

They agree to go out with you cause they want romance, they want secks, but we as men have to do all the work. They won't just hand you their pu$$y on a silver platter. You still have to attract her, impress her and work your magic on her. All she's doing is giving you the chance to do that.

If you have failed in 25 dates like you mentioned then there's something seriously wrong with you. In situations like this the common denominator is usually being too much of a nice guy rather than pushing the envelope/showing her you're a sexual being/showing sexual interest in her.

You been on those 25 dates, tell us what happened? For 1 I don't like the idea of dinner dates. Women don't like kissing after they eat food

 

[Solomon]

I know the OP and I've told him what's wrong, I'm not gonna get into it cause its personal but OP needs a self-esteem upgrade and stop drinking

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[Borknagar]

Yeah but dude self etsteem doesn't increase on several failed dates.

I've done everything possible to make it better. Nothings worked blame me all ya want, but it's not me, it's women these days.

 

[Solomon]

What you gonna do OP move to Thailand?

http://www.thailandwomen.org/images/images/thailand_women_051.jpg



























If you want honest feedback OP I'll give it to you, I rather not talk about it on the board you know how to get a hold of me

 

[joverby]

Yeah but dude self etsteem doesn't increase on several failed dates.

I've done everything possible to make it better. Nothings worked blame me all ya want, but it's not me, it's women these days.

How do you explain all the dudes banging these chicks / going out with them then?

You can sit there and say everyone else but you is wrong all day long but in the end the only way sh1ts going to change is if you recognize it's you. Then do something about it.

 

[Borknagar]

How do you explain all the dudes banging these chicks / going out with them then?

You can sit there and say everyone else but you is wrong all day long but in the end the only way sh1ts going to change is if you recognize it's you. Then do something about it.

I think the women had to get to know those guys cause of mutual friends or something. I have no idea. Bad luck on my behalf? I really don't know.

 

[sexysuave]

There are other guys that are successful, so it's NOT the women. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's healthy to have an attitude "oh that b*tch" crazy" if things don't work out with certain girls or they don't give you the time of day.

But, if you're going out with 25 women, and none of them wanna see you again, I'm sorry bro but it's YOU. There are things you need to fix. I would listen to whatever it might be that Solomon told you, since you guys seemed to have met up. There are things an outsider might recognize right away that are an issue, that you may have come to terms with already and you don't see it as a problem. Sometimes you have to make that big sacrifice.

And you know what, f*ck what anyone tells you, but if there is a glaring physical aspect that you can fix, do whatever you gotta do. for example, you gotta huge curve sticking out on your nose or something like that? Get it fixed man. Some guys have some awkward things like that that come between them and success, and are unwilling to change because they want a chick to like them for "who they are". Life is too damn short to be disqualifing your self from 100s of girls just because you are too proud to fix some things, be it a small operation required or whatever it may be.

Get the obvious things taken care of, hook up with Solomon and any other dudes in your area and get their opinion. And hell, get some girls opinion as well. Walk somewhere where no one knows you and chat up a girl and straight up tell her "hey, I need an opinion here, I've been on 25 dates with different girls and just can't seem to get a second date. I'm really trying to figure out why and what's going on. Is there anything about me that would make you reject me right away, like any huge detail sticking out that you think can be turning girls off? be very honest with me please, and hurt my feelings if you have to!",,, I think doing that a few times might surprise you by what you find out.

Once again, I'm sorry to say it, but it's not them, it's YOU. Because there are plenty of us who are successful. Figure out what the hell is going on and dont' be afraid to make a big change.

 

[Atom Smasher]

OP, girls usually don't like to hear a crass "Yeah, you suck", even if you say you're only joking. It tells them that you lack poise.

Next time, brother!

 

[women haze]

Man you got Don Juans around you meeting up and GIVING you advice...Bork you are a lucky dude.

Follow that sh1t don't disregard it as Women are the problem. Mentally something is holding you back, and you got to figure out what that is...

TRUST ME I am figuring it out myself, or trying to Maybe just like me you are not giving off a sexual vibe.....
It's all ha ha ha he he he fluff conversation no spark

 

[Johnnyventana]

Agree with AS. You are trying too hard to be ****y with those texts and only sound crass. Also, give it a rest for a couple days. Don't text her right away next time. Let her enjoy the memory of the night and wonder if she'll hear from you again.

 

[Packers2010]

it's easier to blame someone else other then yourself.

if a chick doesn't like you 9 times out of 10 it's something YOU did. miht not be major but you still did it.

i'm learning this the hard way.

 

[Borknagar]

9 times out of 10? doubtful. People seem to like to blame men too much. It's the female mentality that's the problem. That's why there are so many forums and sites, and bootcamps, books, ads offering "tips" etc,. but women don't have that cause they don't have to deal with so much bull****.

HOw do other guys do it? who knows. But I doubt most those guys randomly picked them up either. Those women got to know them because they're friends friends, coworkers, whatever etc. So less work on the guys part. Women are a very ignorant gender these days, so if they don't know the guy, they get into stupid ignorant mode, and then foolishly ***** about not meeting fun men.

What they don't realize is it actually turns OFF a lot of men. And many of us give it up.

 

[Borknagar]

And for the record there's nothing wrong with me physically. I get hit on when I go out. My last somewhatofagirlfriend, was a tall blond slim ex-stripper from Cali. She ended up doing the typical stupid women **** by breaking it off for a lame reason, but I knew it was coming from day one.

My goal is to eventually be able to get a lot of hot chicks, not so much a relationship, I can make them think it's what I want, but in the end I think it's best just to play them, they do deserve it after all.

 

[Solomon]

My goal is to eventually be able to get a lot of hot chicks, not so much a relationship, I can make them think it's what I want, but in the end I think it's best just to play them, they do deserve it after all.

This mindset won't garner you any success and you'll just end up like Neil Strauss in "The Game" when he was banging two chicks at the same time and he couldn't enjoy it, when you go that far to the "Dark side" it makes this "game of ours" less enjoyable. I suggest you read "The Game", its a good (quick) read.

 

[Borknagar]

Yeah but if I'd ever get bored of bangin a bunch of hot chicks then I don't think I'd have any use for them at all.

If I want people to have fun with, hang out, do whatever, thats what friends are for, chicks are for ****ing lol

 

[Borknagar]

But my goal should be to give up like I did before this ***** from a year ago got to me. Life is so much better when you don't care about women/sex

 

[LuisGarcia10]

Women will do pretty much anything to avoid confrontation. It drives me nuts to be honest, I mean how easy is it to reply and say "I enjoyed meeting you but I don't think it's going to go anywhere, so maybe it's best we just stay as friends." Easy as **** isn't it? No guy worth his salt is going to be annoyed by that, plus, it means that next time you bump into them it avoids the awkardness, but noooooooo, why do that when you can just ignore a text and make it all ****ing awkward?! I've always had the decency to tell a girl that has gone on a date with me that I don't want another one, it's not hard, and it's one thing about women which drives me mad. It's up there with "I need to be single," then being with some other guy within 2 weeks, another classic.

But in response to your question, it's something you're doing. You're not alone, it happened to me last week as well, I know I what I did, I was drunk when she met me and my friend and it went downhill from there. It's difficult to tell you what you're doing wrong without knowing the conversations you have etc, generally when I get a woman in a one on one date scenario, I usually get them interested, it's getting them to that point which I often find tricky.

What I will say though is this, a woman will almost always initiate contact if she's interested. I would always drop a text or a phone call the day after a text, because girls hate rejection and often won't make the first contact for fear of being dumped, but after that, they'll pester you with irrelevant crap about how your day was, other boring ****, that usually means they like you. If that doesn't happen then the interest probably isn't there, no doubt someone will tell me I'm wrong but I can only go off my own experience. Every girl that has ever been into me has always wanted pointless conversation, my advice though, and this has come through experience, is not to engage in said pointless conversation, ignore the texts and ring her later on- text messages are a dating/relationship f*cking killer, took me 2 painful stings to learn that lesson- one of which I am far from over! I would avoid text messages at all costs to be honest, it's too easy for one person to read the message differently to how the sender meant it. Plus it's very easy to start stressing about how many x's are on the end, why she's only texting you once a day rather than 5 times like she used to, etc etc etc, just avoid them, because I think that there's every chance you're screwing stuff up with what you text girls.

 

[sexysuave]

Originally Posted by Borknagar
HOw do other guys do it? who knows. But I doubt most those guys randomly picked them up either. Those women got to know them because they're friends friends, coworkers, whatever etc. So less work on the guys part. Women are a very ignorant gender these days, so if they don't know the guy, they get into stupid ignorant mode, and then foolishly ***** about not meeting fun men.

This is just plain wrong. I have had RIDICULOUS success with direct approaches on girls that I have never met before. I know other guys that have as well. So your theory here is clearly wrong, it’s very much possible to have success with girls that you don’t know yet.

But hey, what do we all know. It’s not you. It’s everyone else. You’re perfect, nothing is wrong with you at all. It’s just that millions of girls have the problem, not you. Common man, part of this self-improvement process means excepting that there are things you need to work on. I can’t believe you’ve been here since 2001 and are still so negative. Haven’t you learned anything at all?

There is no way that I could ever support a “I’ll just give up on girls, period” mentality. Sex is one of the basic needs of a human being. It’s actually listed right up there with breathing lol. You need to really evaluate what you’re doing any realize that you ARE the common denominator here. People are trying to help you, but you need to be willing to accept help.

If you don’t want help and think nothing is wrong with you and want to just give up on girls altogether, no one can really stop you. However, please in that case leave the forum, as we don’t need anymore discouraging threads about giving up. There are some of us here genuinely trying to help guys out, and threads like this just put doubt in some peoples minds. Fvck giving up!

 

[Borknagar]

Going up and chatting up and getting numbers and smiles and all that bull**** from random chicks is easy, I've done it hundreds of times, even make outs, I've had several make outs a night. It's going beyond that that generally doesn't work. I don't totally suck but the women I really want(well looks wise, anyway) I find nearly impossible to get too far with, not saying I haven't had a little success every once in awhile, but still.

It's common knowledge that women are the problem. Thats why we have tons of so called "PUAs" marketing off the fact that men have problems dealing with women, who says it's the men? why is it ALWAYS the men? It's not. Otherwise we wouldn't have forums on this issue, websites, and dating sites are flooded with way more men than women. But of course, they all just much be AFC eh?

I've done everything I could do advance with women, it's hardly helped at all. Women flake/act shady, that's how they are. The ones that don't, are already in successful relationships.

Women expect topo much perfection, not easy to do for 99% of guys. Hell I'm 6'2, i decent shape from working out, lift weights, not stick skinny and not fat, dress well, have a good personality, I get along with people , but not a nice guy, I can be ****y sometimes, I have all the so called attributes many talk about on here, cept I don't make a **** ton of money, but I drive a newer car and live on my own, and can afford to go out. And pay all my bills. I also have a college degree. In fact, I've been told I am one of the best out in the night game field, by many friends of mine. but still, not getting decent results. I've been told by a girl that most would put as a 9-10 on the scale that I was "pretty hot for a 31 year old" and also had another hot girl tell my friend while we were all talking and she looked at me and told my friend "no offence, but your friend is hot!" and she blew up my phone that night.

After it's all said and done, they got shady. so **** em. I don't even think I should go for dates, I say as long as their attracted at the time, get the same night lay. Cause later on their all the same