Oh God, Please Don’t Let White Male Victimhood Be the Next Big Social Movement

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http://jezebel.com/5965429/?post=54887809

If there's one thing I'm always going to remember about the 2012 election, it's that it was the moment I first saw the white male monopoly lose its vise-grip on American culture. Not that white men aren't in charge anymore—they are, and they will probably always be a dominant political bloc—but there's a sense that they're no longer entitled to win just for playing. They're going to have to enter and roll, just like the rest of us (the dice are still weighted, duh, but baby steps). Mitt Romney was a white dude's white dude, and 62% of white dudes had no doubt that their dude would win. Because, hey, he "looked like a president." That fantasy imploded on election day—and, with it, a whole lot of never-before-questioned white confidence.

Perhaps not so coincidentally, over the course of Obama's first term, what started as a fringe dude subculture has flourished into a thriving online community—the self-described "Manosphere," a safe haven/echo chamber for men who feel discriminated against, ignored, and blamed. Potentially false rape charges and "unfair" child support payments deserve equal or greater outrage, they say, alongside actual rapes and centuries of systemic, enforced poverty. And I don't mean that those problems are bull****—all injustices deserve attention and care—but we're trying to cure cancer over here. You have a stuffy nose.

When your philosophy—reinforced over and over by other men who are just as scared as you—dictates that men are the real victims and women are the oppressors, the only surefire escape is retreat into traditionalist behavior models where everyone "knows their place." Then everything will be okay again. Then we'll have a president who "looks like a president." But believe that all you want—we can never go back. You can't get the toothpaste back in the tube.

And the fact that there's metaphorical toothpaste ****ing everywhere is profoundly frightening to a lot of men, whether they realize it or not. That anxiety seems to be so instinctual, it's beginning to seep out of the more absurd fringes of the blogosphere and into the thinking of otherwise presumably reasonable men. Mainstream manhood is starting to look a little shaky.

You can see the anxiety in sulky hand-wringing about old dudes' right to be found attractive no matter what, as in Richard Cohen's absurd column last week:

In "North by Northwest" and other movies, Grant - for all his good looks - represented the triumph of the sexual meritocracy - a sex appeal won by experience and savoir-faire, not delts and pecs and other such things that any kid can have.
You can see it faintly in even the most innocuous dating advice, which unfailingly advises women not to be "too loud" or "too funny," as though a blank canvas is the ultimate turn-on. And, as though, the very concept of "dating advice"—telling people how to artificially alter themselves so as to best attract a potential partner—isn't a normative idea that's damaging to both genders.

You can see it in the panicked traditionalism of the Tea Party. You can see it in the nauseating "Nice Guy" complex. You can see it in insecure young dudes who think big muscles and homophobia will make them "manly."

And you can especially see it in snide, boo-hoo editorials about how white men get a bad rap and it's just not fair:

From what I read, we're all the same, all guilty, all part of that hard-core white patriarchy, sitting here in the country club man-cave on our brown leather Chesterfields (apparently a fancy kind of couch), staring at the moose head over the fireplace.

We're all pigs. We all kept our women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. We were Ward Cleaver, keeping June at home when she could have been a brain surgeon, expecting her not only to make dinner, but lunch, too, passing our 1950s porcine values on to Wally and the Beav.
Yeah, yeah, yeah—as though certain men deserve some sort of credit for not being completely entitled sociopathic *******s. Congrats, bro. That masterpiece of sour defensiveness? That's not from some obscure man-blog. It's from a mainstream newspaper. White male victimhood is going national. And I mean, okay, men, your feelings are hurt. I get it. Total strangers are making fun of you for being a big white dork. And they don't know you—maybe your life hasn't been easy like the proverbial "white guy" that everyone says is rolling around in megabucks and ruling the world. You're not running the world! You don't even have one megabuck! It's not fair!

But here's the thing. It's not that your life has been easy, per se, it's just that certain hardships have been absent—hardships that affect other groups in ways that are most likely invisible to you. You're not personally being blamed for anything, nor is anyone asking you to abandon your own interests and concerns. You're simply being asked to acknowledge and help dismantle a system that is rigged in your favor, because it's the right thing to do. Opportunity is not a limited resource—other people having stuff does not mean you don't get to have stuff. It'll be okay. In fact, it'll be better.

The so-called "War on Men" isn't a war on men at all—it's a war on inequality. Oh, you're feeling marginalized and underrepresented? Complain to me after you've been marginalized and underrepresented for 200 years. You haven't even made it a day (mainly because it's not actually happening to you yet—you have always had and WILL always have representation). And we can tell that you aren't really subjugated, because if you were you would be coming to us, the supposed dominant group, for help—just like we're forced to come to you, groveling, and beg for our reproductive rights, marriage rights, and equal pay for equal work. Instead, you're insulting and alienating us and trying to shove us back down where we "belong." Women and people of color and LGBT Americans have the right to complain because we've ****ing earned it. And we're kind of busy here, working on a project called "equality." Let me know when you're done flipping out over losing 1% of your privilege. We could use your help.
 

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I love this:

" Complain to me after you've been marginalized and underrepresented for 200 years. "
Can somebody explain to me how Lindy West has been marginalized and underrepresented?

"Women and people of color and LGBT Americans have the right to complain because we've f*cking earned it. "
What is this "we" sh*t? What has Lindy West earned the right to complain about? What sort of hardships and oppression has this urban professional woman writing for a prestigious news outlet in New York City in 2012 had to endure that is on par with blacks and women before female suffrage and the civil rights movement? Do I get to claim that I'm oppressed because my grandfather didn't get to go to college and had to join the workforce straight out of high school?
 

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i don't mean this in a derogatory way at all but findog you aren't white?


for the most part though, i agree. It's not that I don't like white people.. my wife is wife as my son is half white. I just don't think that most.. let le rephrase... i dont' think that a lot fo men who complain in the manosphere really can comprehend the built in disadvantages anyone who isn't white have in america, **** the world really.

I'm not one to throw on the racist cape.. i'm of the morgan freeman school of race relations...I like to be known as a successful adult male who happens to be african american versus a african american successful male, and I have no problem playing the hand I was dealt.. i've even come to like my hand and i very well undrestand that "well see what we have to deal with " is not an excuse for any issues, but the issues that most men bring up, most.. aren't even really issues. they just are no longer built in advantages anymore i.e things were "so much easier to attract a woman 40 years ago" lol get in line buddy, movie starts in an hour. you just don't have an advantage anymore tis' not a disadvantage.

like, child cusoty issues.. that's an inequality. women being flaky and not wanting to commit to you, that's not having an advantage anymore.

it's like the best analogy i can use is my old best friend who was the star shooting guard on our basketball team. didn't have to learn game, had girls, the pick of the littler, flocking to him from everywhere.

now that we are out of school, he's still good looking but his never having to have develo game now hurts him. he settles. he never had to learn how tog o out and talk to women. and he complains how much harder it is now than it was in high school. **** for me it's 10x easier lol. or was.

the issue isn't the quality fo women or how women have change. the issue is that he HASN'T changed.

that's the AFC's real issue, they don't change with the times to meet the current market value demands.
 

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backbreaker said:
i don't mean this in a derogatory way at all but findog you aren't white?
Yes.

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or the most part though, i agree. It's not that I don't like white people.. my wife is wife as my son is half white. I just don't think that most.. let le rephrase... i dont' think that a lot fo men who complain in the manosphere really can comprehend the built in disadvantages anyone who isn't white have in america, **** the world really
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I get that but what I took away from the essay is that she doesn't seem to understand that the manosphere is not really about race. The issues that largely animate the manosphere is not about white guys losing the last vestiges of their privileges. I agree that you being a black male and me being a white male means I have a slightly lesser hurdle than you do and some doors might slightly open quicker for me than you, but it's 2012, not 1965. It's a very small gap at this point. Black men are not consigned to living lives of less accomplishment just because they're not white.

like, child cusoty issues.. that's an inequality. women being flaky and not wanting to commit to you, that's not having an advantage anymore.
Yep, she doesn't get that this right here is what we care about.
 

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I like this thread.

Keep fighting please, we're watching.
 

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If victimhood is seen as empowering... well let's face it that didn't exactly come out of nowhere. Anyway about jezebel:

If Websites Were People : Jezebel.com

Below, here's some bang-on quotes by a woman about jezebel, from reddit 2X:

Exactly. It seems like they just want to play the victim without offering up any valid solutions to issues. They just want to create more issues.
Or more to the point:

It seems like they just want to be whiny *******s
If even women think Jezebel is stupid, why are you wasting your time discussing this? The battle's over, they lost. Taking any article on their joke website is your first mistake... when people make ludicrous statements, either don't engage or amplify the stupidity until it's impossible to ignore (like the linked video). Don't engage rationally, what's the point? They love the attention and you're just wasting your time.

Stupid people write stupid articles. Most applicably to this website:

And, as though, the very concept of "dating advice"—telling people how to artificially alter themselves so as to best attract a potential partner—isn't a normative idea that's damaging to both genders.
Ok, sure, good luck with that. We already know better. The truth is, findog, you posted this article because you like to be offended, that's why you trolling feminist websites to pick up articles you can bark over with posters like burroughs. I used to read it when I was bored, it's not worth it and nowadays I have more sense.

TLDR: Jezebel = ignore
 

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Dear FinDog,
As long as the Jew considers himself white,we are safe...Always pre-eminent in Financial circles,they got such a fright in World War Two,that they committed vast sums of money to taking over the World Communication Industry,particularly Movies,can you blame them?...For you people it is very much a matter of Demographics,the Mexicans that you encourage to migrate so you can have cheap tacos and lettuces a third the price of ours, eventually get to vote,as they become a power Block,then Populist politicians will stand on platforms advocating their rights and encouraging more to cross the Border...Wonder what Daniel Boone would have thought?
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Findog said:
That video is hilarious. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome dude! But do be careful of absorbing too much of that stuff... it can skew your baseline for what most women may think, and skewed baseline = red flag
 

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On the one hand, with everybody trying to out-victimize each other, that can't be good for consistent economic growth.

On the other hand, people who are proud victims are easy as crap to sell to, if you happen to be in that game. They've got easy buttons to push.

Course, that's what got us into this mess in the first place, politicians getting elected largely by telling people their problems are somebody else's fault.

Get in while the gettins good, suppose.

Long live the Jews!
 

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Danger said:
I wonder why she and others are so frightened of people like myself who just want to get rid of the racist and misandric policies against all races and against both sexes? Why is that so threatening?
Because that makes you a bigot and a sexist. According to today's culture anyway. White Men have traditionally held the power, so by your wanting to remove the advantages given to minorities and women by the government, you are essentially supporting the status quo, or inferring that their oppression/suffering/disadvantages don't exist.

The problem is that race and gender are two completely seperate issues. The whole "white male victimhood" thing is completely different than the MRM/War on Men issue, and I don't care to see it become a big social movement either. What's worse is that it gets mixed together with the Men's Rights Movement, which has the practical effect of delegitmizing it. So feminsts are quick to mix the two, because they then gain alliance with minorities and those concerned with racial issues.
 

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Message to the OP

Please dont try some subtle reverse psychology, imprinting in people minds that we are victims; the only "victimhood" is demonstrated by minority groups who have milked the liberal philosophy for all theyve been able too.

I can tell you catergorically, that in all domains founded by White Male Europeans, (bar South Africa which will return to the stone age) that the governing elite is alive, well and flourishing, its onle those white male worker drones who are suffering from the greed and corruption and political sell out that the greedy fat upper classes have instituted at the demand of minority groups.

Remember one thing, the White Male is respected world wide by all other races for his ruling the world (mainly through my compatriots in Great Britain)

No need for your raving rant here Findog, save your thoughts for the demise of the Black race instead
 
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