Official bootcamp thread starting 9/16/04

[Ever onward]

Yeah I'm 27, I told you that when I PM'ed you awhile back.

Does it seem pathetic that I'm doing this at 27? Maybe it is but it was working great for me.

Dunno, just having a down day I guess...

 

[frivolousz21]

no one can make you feel inferior unless you want them too

elenor Roosevelt!

 

[Ever onward]

hey friv, you sure are philosophical sometimes...

I don't feel inferior, I'm just self concious (sp???) about my age. If you read my earlier posts in the BC, you'll see what I mean.

Anyways, I'm feeling a little better tonight. The girl whose number I got from the library called me and now I have a date for sat night. I found out she is only twenty and I told her I'm 27. She said she don't mind but you know what? I'm lying to her and to you all, I'm really 28. My B-day was last week and I'm lying about my age already!!!

Probably not a good start but oh well, I'm thinking too much, just need to concentrate on getting in her pants...hehe

Wow, if you look at my posts from 2 or 3 weeks back, I was going to the gym on weekend nights. No dates in sight. Now I've had 2 dates, with 2 different girls this week alone thanks to BC.

I feel good but I'm still dissapointed with myself for not getting my 10 conversations in (4 to go)

After all, this Bootcamp is supposed to be about self improvement, not hooking up with any girl in particular.

Week 2 convos: 6
Dates: 2
phone #'s 2
rejections 1

 

[gav]

This really should be a lay report, but i drank to much alcohol and couldn't...you know. i'm never drinking more than 3 beers in a night if i'm out to pull

before i went out to the club me and my flatmates went to a wee house party in our flats. 6 girls, 6 convos. two hb8s there (i was play wrestling with one of them - got a kickass picture taken. then we went out to the club. quite a lot of banter there, had two double vodkas (in addition to 4 beers and 1/4bottle vodka at my flat). went down for some dancing, met up with another mate who was already into another girl there, so we hung around them, cuz her friends were hot.

i really went full out with the dancing, hands above my head, the lot. and because i was bouncing around quite a bit, this bytch hb9 started getting mad and starting elbowing me in the back. once i told her to fvck off she punched me (with a ring on her finger) - that hurt!

anyway, the place was a sausage fest - guys everywhere! we got into this group by ourselves and started dancing. hb6-7 (she seemed hot last night) approaches me because she wants to be part of our group (if you're having a good time, girls will pick up on this). so we all dance about for a bit, then she says to me

"you look like tom cruise" (i've never heard that one before, but i know the response like the back of my hand)
into her ear: "your weak pickup lines aren't gonna work on me "
then she starts "oh it wasn't a pickup line blahblahblah"
so i went in for the kiss. that shut her up

i had chewing gum in my mouth, so i thought, i've never done this before, fvck it, so i passed it with my tongue into her mouth - she starts calling me dirty

after some grinding she isolates me to the side. few makeout sessions, can't remember what i was talking about, but i was continually busting on her for something. like "what's my name?" she says "em gareth?", "no, gav", "andrew?", "no, gav and if you don't get it this time, it's all over between you and me.." stuff like that. then when she got it right, she gets her reward. i was doing that sort of stuff all night (push/pull)

then we arrange to go back to hers, she buys some condoms, then stands with me in a queue, where she starts talking to a complete stranger dude (which is obviously a little trick she's pulling out of the back). i'm like "you cheeky bytch, can't believe you're pulling this shyt" (didn't say that to her). then she turns back to me after a couple of mins and says "my ass is wet, feel it" in front of a lot of people; ladies and gentleman we have a horny one

back at hers - i did not feel drunk. i felt sober, but i had drank too much so my dyck was out of action. she was trying to make me feel better by saying "i'm usually pretty good at this"; "my gay friend told me techniques" So after quite a bit of play, i finger fvcked her. to cut a long story short...the end

alright lads, i want everyone to keep this stuff up. keep on improving. if last night taught me nothing else, besides not drinking so much, it taught me that women are fvcking nothing special, so improve your life and do it for yourself. not for some kunt

(scottish accent)
awe the best big yin
gav

edit; mistakes i made, lessons learned

1. the girl shyt tested me with "so do you do this often (come back with a girl)". my response: "not every night". she even said "wrong answer!". my god. better answer - "only with girls who can dance well (or some other compliment, not about looks). or even "sometimes" would have done

2. when we were playing about she said "you don't sacrifice much do you?" i was like "what the fvck" until i realised i wasn't showing much excitement/passion. so i started breathing deeply, which turned her on more.

3. in the morning, we were lying together in the bed. i know she was waiting for me to make a move now, cuz it was so fvcking obvious, but i thought she had plans for the morning. so i just put my arm around her and lay there, when i could have been fvcking her brains out - my dyck was back in business. god dammit. live and learn.

someone said "pain is weakness leaving the body" and it's something i've been thinking about constantly. if you aren't making mistakes, you aren't growing as strong as someone who is.

 

[Lifeforce]

Gav that's some awsome rapport... !

haha... I lauged through this stuff... fun to read and great work by the way.

 

[gav]

Originally posted by Lifeforce
Gav that's some awsome rapport... !

haha... I lauged through this stuff... fun to read and great work by the way.

cheers man. certainly was fun last night. i was coming up with some hilarious stuff all last night. me and my mate went down to the newsagents to buy some beer. they gave us a few samples (one off) after which i said "you know, i'm only 17 and you're trying to get me drunk " The woman shat herself at that. Then she says she's got no porridge left, but says they've got 3 new flavours coming in, i'm like "what, like salt and vinegar?" - wasn't even that funny but i had the woman in stiches laughing

btw, i don't have a camera just now, but once i get one, i'll post up some good quality pics (i've got one where i'm standing right beside tiger woods and his caddy and the one from last night is a peach with me and hb8 play wrestling)

ever onward

that's inspiring stuff man - weekends alone to two dates at once. you're slowing achieving pimp status keep it up

[edit] one more thing. one of my mates was asking me "so what are your mates like back home? are they the same as you - loud and crazy?

last year i was this shy little fvck who would only speak to people if he had to. now, if i told someone that i feel shy and reserved sometimes, they'd think i'm taking the piss. things have changed

i've always wanted to write that - extravaganza wrote a post about getting over shyness and at the end he said "noone will believe me if i tell them i'm shy". that's how i feel now

 

[frivolousz21]

ever owned-

thats just how I am...I know who I am and what I want in this life. I see that you are 27? what is its that you want and desire? if its women..then chase ur desire there..nothign makes anyone happier than going for there dreams and goals. if its something else then do both.

Remember things are contageous. if you start doing something over and over it becomes repetitive...so when you get down..do something to stay happy..overtime a short period of time..a couple weeks..you will be happy all the time.

Courage-when you are scared to death and you do it anyways..John Wayne said that.

one thing ive learned at this website..is that its about a lot more than women. its about YOU and what makes YOU happy.

good luck in ur pursuit of whatever it is you want to do with urself

and good job everyone else..Gav, lifeforce...BIG PIMPN!

 

[Ever onward]

Gav -

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm glad you and Lifeforce and frivoulous are still in this with me. Seems like everyone else has dropped out, on this thread anyways.

I finished week 2. All my Convos are done. On to week 3

onward,

 

[duke007]

Then she says she's got no porridge left, but says they've got 3 new flavours coming in, i'm like "what, like salt and vinegar?" - wasn't even that funny but i had the woman in stiches laughing

*in thick Scottish accent*
"Aye, it's delicious! But that's not how you make porridge!"

haha do you know about that ad?

Great field report! The push-pull stuff really is gold...i'm glad to see you've completely broken out of your shell

 

[Recluce]

i cannot believe what happened tonight at work, and more importantly how i reacted.

so im sitting behind my bar, practicing flipping glasses and catching them behind my back and all that other stuff that bartenders do to pass the time (its been raining for 4 days and isn't supposed to stop till tuesday ) then i see this cute girl come up and order a drink from one of her friends who's working behind my bar as well. they talk for a minute or 2 then i hear the girl say something like, "yea we are here for XXXXXXX's b-day. she's 21 today" she turns around to grab the girl and its someone that i went to high school with so i tell her hi, and happy b-day and start up a conversation with her. (she's about a 6 a little taller than me,why not..its boot camp after all) i look to the right of her at a girl thats kind of staring at me she's looking deep into my eyes so i make that facial expression that says,"yes.... can i help you?"

she says."Recluce?" then i recognize her. its a girl (HB8)that i met when i was like 5 years old. now i haven't seen this girl in 4 years. (way before i starting lifting weights, while i was still weighing 125..im 170 now) she was the first girl that i ever kissed (we were like 6 or 7) went through elementary school together then summer camp after elementary school for at least 5 years. we went to the same high school but were in different crowds so we would only say hi every now and then.

anyway, she comes around to the side of the bar like she wants to give me a hug, so i tell someone to watch my area while i go chat for 5 mins. i could tell that she was really impressed by how much better i look now than i did back in high school.

so we talk a little, i stay away from the C&F bit because im trying a new approach, that i thought about when digging through some of my old yearbooks. my teachers would write things like,"Recluce...the strong silent leader....blah blah" and ,"Recluce....never in a bad mood, always oblivious to the things going on around him". So im trying to be the mysterious ,confident person that might not speak as much as other people, but when he does speak, everyone stops to listen rather than the smartass chatterbox that i tried out for a while. she asks about a girlfriend and im like,"oh nooooooo!" and tell her about how my roomate has a psycho girlfriend that just puts me off to the girlfriend thing right now.

then she shocked me...she asks,"so what are you doing tonight after you get off?" i wasn't really prepared for this question and without thinking i responded like an AFC saying,"probably just going back to my place and relaxing for a few hours till i crash". we talked for a little longer then she said she had to get back to her friends but she would be back later to buy more drinks.

i went back to work and started rethinking about how i could have handled that better. i KNEW what she was asking. i knew that she was interested in me and i think thats what turned me AFC and thats where i have most of my problems. Once i KNOW the girl is interested i start to relax and kind of fall back into AFC mode. what i should have said was,"well what do you have in mind?" with a grin on my face. i also should have ended the interaction first and said that i have to get back to work.

anyways, i made up for it later towards the end of the night. before they left they came back to close out their tab and i saw her holding her cell phone so i told her to give it to me. i push a few buttons and say,"if you have a few extra charges on your phone don't worry about it, im just downloading a few games and ringers." she smiled at it. but what i was really doing was putting my number in there and calling my cell from hers so i could get her number. (btw great tip there, if you ask a girl for her cell phone and she gives it to you, she is giving you the OK to put your number in there and to get her number)

i give the phone back to her and ask how long she's going to be in town. she said she's leaving on sunday so i told her that i'd give her a call tommorow since im busy on sunday. she asked if i had her number and i reply,"well yea, why else would i ask for your phone?" and she says,"cool...ill talk to ya tommorow"

ill call her tommorow afternoon sometime and depending on the weather, go grab a coffee then go to the batting cages, or a movie (she played softball in high school and i've been meaning to go myself to practice my swing for my games) then head back to my place and tell her to come up so she can grab a shirt (she asked if we had any more promotional shirts for the club that i work at, and i knew we didn't so i told her that i might have some at my apartment and ill see what i can do) throw the shirts in the wash tommorow morning and forget about em, then when we get back from the date tell her that i forgot to put them in the dryer before we left. boom....there's an hour to kill. My room anyone?

 

[Recluce]

oh and as far as getting 10 rejections, this is going to be a problem for me...it seems that the harder i try to get rejected, the less likely it is that i get rejected. i went out last night and talked to 5 girls, one ended up asking me to take a picture of her and her friends, i took the pic then put the camera in my back pocket. she went for the camera and grabbed my ass and i told her that if she did that again i was going to go get the bouncers and file a sexual harassment complaint....rejection attempt #1.... failed.

next i was on the dancefloor dancing and i made eye contact with a HB8. she teases me a little bit and we talk a little on the dancefloor. she pulls away to go talk back to her friend for a sec and while she's not looking me and my friend head for the bathroom and to grab another drink. i come back about 10 minutes later after talking with a few friends and she's like,"oh...i thought you couldn't handle this so you left" i kind laughed and replied,"oh no...you have that backwards" and stared directly at her in the eyes. she laughed and said,"well ok then...lets see what ya got" so we danced a little more and she grabs my drink (which is water at this point because i was drinking double vodka, 151, pinapple, grenadine......very strong drink) i dance a little bit and she doesn't seem impressed, so i grab my drink back and say,"its your turn now". she danced alittle, got close to me and teased me a little then just walked off. i really wouldn't call that a rejecting because its not my 'game' that lost it for me, but my dancing ability...which im working on.

then the only other one that i can remember clearly enough to give details was when i was closing out my tab. there was a HB9 standing at the bar where my bartender was. so i go up and tell him that i want to close my tab. he gives me the receipt to sign and the girl says,"i want to sign it!" so i say,"ok...but you have to actually tip him...not like what your friend did over there" (she had a 48 dollar tab and tipped 3 bucks) her jaw dropped and i just looked into her eyes for at least 10 seconds and said ,"well..........are you going to sign or not?" i told her to tip 10 bucks (28 dollar tab.... im a good tipper) then i tell her to fill out my copy...but make it legible this time....not like the first one) she tries to add 28 and 10 and before she could figure it out i said,"hey...want me to go grab my calculator out of my booksack in my truck?" she hits me on the arm for that one. then i say,"well since you like filling in numbers so much, write yours on the back (of the receipt) its ok...ill only call you 9 times a day."

its seems the harder i try to get rejected, the closer i get to this "alpha male" mentality. this weeks bootcamp is GREAT!

 

[Ever onward]

I think I just fukked up Bootcamp, I have a GF now

Okay so my date went really well tonight. When I picked her up at her place I couldn't quite remember what she looked like from the other night at the library when I got her number so I was a little concerned. Well she looked amazing! I couldn't believe that this was the girl whose number I had gotten.

Anyways as soon as I got her in the car I started with some Kino (I made some lame excuse to shake her hand). I held her hand a little longer than usual and then I said to her "no handholding this early". We went to a sportsbar and from that point on throughout the night I would touch her hands whenever possible and and then I began touching her arm whenever I was trying to "lead her" from one part of the bar to another.

Soon I made my move and started full on holding her hands. She was very receptive. At that point she was very comfortable touching me and things got more intimate from there.

The thing of it is, we really clicked together. It's rare that I meet a girl and feel like I've clicked with her. We have very similar interests and backgrounds. For instance we went to a part of the bar where there were some video games and she said "these video games suck, they don't have any good games nowadays, like Street Fighter II". I told her I have Street Fighter II at home for Super Nintendo (yep I still own one) and I told her she should come over and we can play it. I told her "but no funny business". LOL. She ate it up.

When we got back to my place. We played games for awhile but the whole time we were cuddling and rubbing each other. Before long, we were making out pretty hot and heavy.

Now at the begining of the date. She had asked me if I was dating anyone else. I told her that I had been out with someone recently but I wasn't really "dating" anyone. Then I joked with her, "what, you trying to get exclusive already?" She then said that she just wanted to find out what kind of guy I was and that she only dates one person at a time.

So at the end of the night, I asked her if she would be dating anyone else, she said no, only one at a time. I told her I didn't want to date anyone else either, which I don't, so now we're for all intents and purposes, boyfriend/girlfriend.

Where does that leave Bootcamp? Well, my original goal was to become more outgoing and social. To get rid of my fear of approaching women, and have one or two girls to date. I originally planned just to do the first 4 weeks because I thought that would accomplish those goals.

I will in fact finish week 4. I am on week 3 now and next weekend I'm going out of town and will get my 10 rejections. I will be faithful in doing all this. This is just something I want to do for me to make me stronger. I will simply have the required conversations and get the rejections. That is all. No cheating or keeping any phone numbers I might get.

I'm really glad for having taken on this Bootcamp. I recommend it to anyone. I have met a wonderful (so far) girl and I'm a lot more confident in all areas of my life. I just need to be careful with how the relationship develops, not turn into a wuss and all that.

Anyways, here are my current BC stats, as I press on to my final weeks.

rejections: 1
phone #'s: 2
week 3 convos: 1

onward,

 

[FreeStyleZ]

Happy for you onward. Can someone please tell me what each week of bootcamp entails? I havent found the details in this thread... is there a link to the official boot camp? Its probably in the bible but im lazy and havent checked yet. Someone let me know what each week consist of?

 

[FreeStyleZ]

also onward, out of curiousity.. did u go on that date with your glasses on? Things went well it seems.

 

[Ever onward]

Yep I wore the glasses.

When I first got her number I wasn't wearing them so I was halfway considering wearing my contacts even though I knew they would really irritate my eyes.

But I figured fukk it. I'm not going to hurt my eyes just because some chick may not like them. This is me and this is who I am. If she or anyone else doesn't like me, that's their problem.

But I did take off the glasses when we were making out on my couch.

onward,

Edit: I have the entire BC printed off at home so I'm not sure what all the weeks are but I'll give you those I know of.

Week 1: say hi to 50 strangers. Spend 2 one hour sessions going to public places and holding eye contact with strangers.

Week 2: Have conversations with 10 strangers 2 to 10 minutes in length.

Week 3: Have conversations with 10 strangers who are girls that you would consider dating. 2 to 10 minutes in length.

Week 4: Aquire 10 rejections from girls that you try to close. (This is to get over the fear of rejection.)

Week 5: I'm getting a little fuzzy on the details here.....successfully # close 10 girls.

Week 6: Okay, I think this one is go on 4 dates in five nights??? Not too sure...

Week 7: ?

Week 8: Enter a social situation where no one knows you and become the alpha male in the group?? pretty sure on this one.

 

[Ever onward]

Week 3 Day 2

Well I was sitting in the computer lab just now trying to get some work done for a change (no flirting with anyone) and a fire drill goes off. Everybody has to leave the building. I'm mildly annoyed but as I go out side I see a blonde girl leaning against a wall reading.

So what do I do? I naturally approach her for a conversation. I walk right over to her, lean against the wall, and say to her "did you get kicked out because of the firedrill too?"

She said yep, and we made small talk from there. Just chit chat, don't even remember what was said. After a bit she tells me "I'm Courtney by the way". I tell her I'm ever onward. So after a minute or two we see that the lights aren't flashing inside the building anymore. She goes to check if the drill is over but she doesn't come back. I was thinking she would come back to at least say it's all clear and whatnot but nope. She just goes into the building and heads up the stairs to the cafeteria. I look down and low and behold she left her book behind.

So naturally I pick it up and go after her. I go into the cafeteria and I see that she has gotten a tray and is starting to go into the line. I tell her, in a serious tone, "you didn't even say goodbye courtney"

her: I told you where I was going (puzzled look)

I then hand her the book and she laughs. I tell her to have a good lunch and she said "Thanks, I always do ever"

Amazing, now that I'm so social girls actually introduce themselves to me. To think, all these years all I had to do was walk up to them.

Isn't that always the way though, once you have a GF, girls start dropping out of the woodwork.

Strange

Week 3 convos: 2
rejections: 1
phone numbers: 2
dates: 2

Onward,

 

[Seraph]

Congrats man, I'm glad to see that you've come this far. I was kinda worried when you said you had a girlfriend, but then kept reading and found out that you're going to get up to week 4 anyway. I'm proud of you man, it's good to see that you have a gf and that you won't shy from your intended goal.

 

[Ever onward]

Thanks Seraph

I know it seems like I'm rushing into this by getting "exclusive" after one date but it isn't really.

She just believes in dating one person at a time and I agreed to that. Other than that we're going to take things slow. I've been hurt so much in the past so I am going to be extra cautious and watch out for any red flags.

Yep, I'm going to finish the goals I had set for myself with Bootcamp. I can do them without going out with anyone else so it won't effect what I have going on.

What I'm going to take away from this Bootcamp is confidence. Confidence with women, confidence with social situations, confidence with life. Having a girlfriend is just the icing on the cake.

I will continue to post here to give others my feedback and support. Plus I may have some "relationship" questions eventually. lol. Good luck to you Seraph. I'll be reading your BC journal very closely...

onward,

Edit: This was my 200th post. I'm a Senior Don Juan now. I have learned much but I have not achieved Jedi level mastery.......YET

 

[Ever onward]

Well since getting a GF my motivation for BC has almost disappeared. Looks like everyone else is losing their motivation as well.....happens every time.

Anyways,

Had two convos with HBs today. Week 3 Convo count is now at 4. I want to do all of week 4 this weekend when I go out of town. That way it won't get back to my GF that I'm hitting on girls left and right. I'm gonna be faithful and all, this is just an exercise to get rid of my fear of rejection and she wouldn't understand.

I hope I can get week 3 finished by the time I leave.

week 3 convos: 4
rejections: 1
phone #'s: 2
dates:2

onward,

 

[TurboLover]

Keep it up guys. Don't punk out.

Ever onward, I think you kind of jump the gun with the whole GF thing after one date.

Come on, I've had one night stands longer than that.

If you have kept getting numbers and dated more girls I bet you would have lots of good first dates.

You said you have finally took control of your life, so getting numbers and dates would come easy, correct.

This would be like being on the TV show The Bachelor, and getting with the first girl you go out with. Leaving 14 other girls out of the running without getting to know them.

The thing is, I don't think you see that there are 14 other girls out there waiting.

I think this girl kind of backed you into a corner with the whole I only date one person at a time thing. It was kind of an ultimatium to you, as if you would said "good for you", then she would not of want to see you any more.

I guess its just the term GF that makes me

But nonetheless, I do hope that the more you get to know her the more you like her.

I look forward to more bold approaches.