Odds/numbers in getting to dating/girlfriend

[wheelin&dealin]

Been doing some math about dating.. you get numbers similar to mines??

Let me break down sarging to dating in the following stages:

-Conversation to number close, assuming she is physically attractive enough for you. You can fail to number close for whatever reason. You might disqualify her, and so that would be an aborted number close.
-Number close to first date. She can flake, or you can just be disinterested before/after talking.
-First date to more than first date. Either one of you can be disinterested after the first date.
-How many "more than first dates" or spinning plates do you want, before you pick a girlfriend?

For example, if a guy needs x conversations to get y number closes to get z first dates, he'll need to initiate xyz conversations to get a first date.

In my world, I have the following:

Pure sarging.. that is, situation where a conversation happens, and if I don't close, I probably won't see her again:

1 out of 5 conversations lead to a number close
1 out of 3 number closes lead to a first date
1 out of 3 first dates lead to more than a first date
I'd want to spin perhaps 2 plates at this point, so I have some selection before pronouncing "girlfriend".

So.. I get 5x3x3x2 = 90 convos with someone physically attrative enough to get to a girlfriend.

Sarging within your social circle.. that is, you see this person repeatedly, like at a club or wherever. You have the opportunity to convo with her more than once before you number close. After number closing, you can casually see her again at the group activity, before asking for a date, if you choose, etc.

1 out of 3 conversations lead to a number close
1 out of 2 number closes lead to a first date
1 out of 2first dates lead to more than a first date
I'd want to spin perhaps 2 plates at this point, so I have some selection before pronouncing "girlfriend".

In this world, I get 3x2x2x2 = 24 convos with someone physically attrative enough to get to a girlfriend.

What's your numbers? Feel free to question the numbers (not flame). I'd like to get better odds. These numbers look a bit harsh, but they also look "realistic".

It's hard enough trying to snipe a girl that's good enough for you. Because even if a chick has a solid face/body.. she could be an idiot... and you'll find that out after the first few dates.


All you can really do is walk up to the hottest broads you can find, ask them out, and hope and pray they aren't dumbasses.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Keeping track of your odds won't help you improve yourself. So it is a moot point in the grand scheme of things.

Success is better measured by how good you feel about yourself and the confidence you radiate to those around you, not on statistics.

It lets you know how many women youll need to approach to get a date. If you wanted to get a date this week, you would know how many girls you would need to approach in order to guarantee a date the end of the week.

Youll know when your half way there or 90% of the way there. Its better for your morale when you know you probably only have 10 more chicks to go according to calculations as opposed to being rejected 20 times already and you have no clue how many more youll need to go till you get a date, it just wont feel good having no idea how much more you have to go when youve been rejected 20 times already. Your intuition would probably be telling you that youll probably get rejected again with the next 20 girls you approach. Again, just doesnt feel good. Bad for your morale. Not knowing what to expect after being rejected consistently is bad for your morale.

But if youve been rejected 20 times already, and you DO know your numbers, and your statistics say "1 in 25", then it feels good, becuase youll know: "ONLY 5 MORE GIRLS TO GO!! ".

One can never be at a disadvantage in knowing what his own true capabilties are. So if anything, its good to know your own capabilities and not have a distorted over estimate of your capabilities like most people on here have.most people in this forum over estimate what they are actually capable of. Ironically, Many on this forum praise General Sun Tzu's The Art of War yet are against keeping track of statistics on themselves (see the posts in this thread opposing the idea of getting stats on yourself) yet one of Sun Tzu's philosophies is "Know yourself". Well, if you avoid knowing what your statistics actually are, then you are avoiding to "know yourself". This is exactly what Tzu means by "know yourself"; ie know what you are truly capable of, do not let ignorance create an over exagerated view of your capabilities.

Keeping track of your numbers over time will also tell you if your improving in your success with women over time. It will let you know if youre deteriorating or improving. Without keeping track of numbers, you might actually be deteriorating in your success with women, and not realize it. It might be slow and subtle.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Thomas here's the thing. This is like sales.

If you don't know how to sale correctly, your "numbers" will always be lower than what they COULD have been.

But there's no way to have a 100% success ratio.

What a guy should begin to do FIRST, is understand what sexuality, being a man, and having a natural love for himself is. This would lead to having a natural love for life. Most guys do this backwards. They reach for love to find life, but you must reach for your life and develop your natural self FIRST, and love will develop within, thus love manifests itself on the outside.

I've said before women are attracted to guys with a sexual flow and seductive spirit. So success with women equals having the right inner spirit and attitude. Most guys go wrong, when they try to tack on techniques to APPEAR and IMITATE a guy they have SEEN getting women, but they have no true understanding of WHY the guy got the women. That's why you must develop innerly, they call that inner game. That's all you need.

Then as for the numbers, well, you've got the value that women really truly want, yet they probably wont' admit lol. You are very sexual, so you make her "hot." Then you have a life, you have ambitions and you are going places due to your new found LOVE for yourself (this makes you work out, have goals, want to succeed) so you are the total package. You have the qualities of the nice guy - the success and wisdom, and the qualities of the bad boy- the high sexual flow. That's value, that majority of women will want you for.

Now, as far as "numbers," well when you develop this naturalness I am talking about, no longer do you focus on quantity only, but on QUALITY FIRST, then quantity of quality.

You don't live to meet requirements of women, you know you have value, thus you filter women to obtain those that fit YOUR requirements (quality). Then you do the same thing over and over, until YOU are sexually satisified and have the number of QUALITY chicks that fit YOUR requirements in your life.

The problem with this though, is that majority of women WILL NOT fit the usual requirements. Taht is, being sexy, being supportive, being wise, having ambitions, being there for us in need, caring for us as a person not just because we make her "hot." So there's a filtering that must take place, similar to how Anti-Dump did, do a search on Anti-Dump's system.

Now, if you wish to just attain sex period! Then all you do is do what I've previously stated, and keep your sexual flow very high, then figure out a way to "approach" or "reach" a high number of chicks in the shortest amount of time possible. What I do, is I use internet chat forums to reach a number of chicks fast. Then after I get their number, I have phone sex with the chick, then I go and pick her up that night or the next night and have real sex. After that, we might hang out or go on dates, but usually, I get bored and move on to the next girl in line.

Numbers For Getting Sex (But you must have the sexual flow FIRST)
1. Approach or meet 12 chicks a week.
2. Obtain 9 numbers, the other 3 will usually be flirts but not convert (yet).
3. You should have phone sex with about 5 of the 9 (the other 4 can't be tracked down, or are just still flirting and won't go into the moaning yet)
4. Then of the 5 phone sexed, you go pick her up and do the real thing.

But really, it's not the Numbers, its first building your value (sexual state) then getting in contact with as many chicks as possible to keep the different lays occurring.

(Damn that was a long post)

Lol, don't be like many sales reps. They will do the field work (calls) but wont' do the education (increasing how they present their value, and understanding value). You must do both, if you have value yet don't approach, you get nothing. If you approach all day and have no value, you get nothing. You need both to equal a successful acquiring of sexual relationships, that I liek to call "Pvssy Flow." Pvssy Flow is residual pvssy, pvssy that you put in "work" for yesterday, that will reward you with on-going pvssy each week for a long time. Build up around 10 chicks in your "Pvssy Flow" and you won't need to go to sarge anymore.

bigest load of crap I have ever read. pffft, comparing getting women to sales. :crackup:

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

bigest load of crap I have ever read. pffft, comparing getting women to sales. :crackup:

I disagree. The best player I've known (has banged 100s of women) and is a great sales person always likens the two.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I've always thought it was more like marketing than sales.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I disagree. The best player I've known (has banged 100s of women) and is a great sales person always likens the two.

The best player Ive known has banged over 100s of women and is NOT a sales person and DOES NOT compare getting women with sales. He looks at dating as....wait....hold on....here it comes.......AS DATING.

Stop making it into some stupid sales analagy, and look at dating how it really is, dating.

 

[Lust]

Im sure they are realistic. Alot of guys on here so badly want to beleive in the DJ fantasy that it will be easy getting lots and lots of women and that if you obtain that "magical bullet proof game", youll be able to get any girl. Total bullsh1t.

The reality is, its not that easy. Its a numbers game. Some women will like you, and some will not. For the average joe, MOST WOMEN will not date him no matter what. But a minority will be open to dating average joe. For the average joe, his odds will not be anything to brag about. There are many reasons behind why this is, but the only thing that matters is that its a numbers game. And the OP has the right idea quantifying his success in a statistical manner. THats realistic, thats getting a no Bullsh1t assessment of your reality so you know what to expect, and know what it will take to get what you want. If you have to approach 100 chicks to get a date, its better to be going on expecting it to be hard then being a dumbass like most people on here who delude themselves into beleiving and expecting to get a girl after the 2nd approach, and then they get depressed and discouraged once they realize its not the case. The guy who goes on expecting it to be hard will keep trucking longer with no discouragement than the delusional idiot brainwashed by sosuave, hell be thinking "my 50th rejection eh, alright, only 50 more to go untill I get the girl!, only half way there ".

As for my odds, thats none of anyones business on here. Ill just have you know Im very successful with women, and thats all you need to know

A lot of what happens in seduction and Don Juaning is directly connected to the mind, and your frame of mind can directly effect your success.

You keep thinking in staticstics, reality, it's blinding.

If i told you that you can read 25,000 words per minute would you believe me? No? Didn't think so, well i know for a fact that people can do that.

You keep thinking in terms of what our human mind is used to, what it has accepted.

So, in a few years time, i will be only 18, and would have gotten more p*ssy than you can imagine. Because i believe, my frame of mind is positive, and yours isn't.

You seem to have a very blunt view on this. I'm not saying that it's possible to get every woman you desire, but it's managable to get pretty damn close. You don't seem to think so, thus your frame of mind is somewhat negative. I have seen it happen, my mate, not good looking, not buff, not rich or famous, yet has unbelievably beautiful women grovelling at his feet all the time. He is that good, don't be discouraging and say that it's not possible. It is.

The fanatasies of many of the new guys on this board are very acheivable, some of those fantasies are nothing at all, but a taste of what is acheivable.

Your mind finds evidence of your thoughts in the real world.

Be a believer, it's more powerful than you think.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

A lot of what happens in seduction and Don Juaning is directly connected to the mind, and your frame of mind can directly effect your success.

You keep thinking in staticstics, reality, it's blinding.

If i told you that you can read 25,000 words per minute would you believe me? No? Didn't think so, well i know for a fact that people can do that.

You keep thinking in terms of what our human mind is used to, what it has accepted.

So, in a few years time, i will be only 18, and would have gotten more p*ssy than you can imagine. Because i believe, my frame of mind is positive, and yours isn't.

okay, so what if I try and focus real hard, and have true faith into beleiving that you, Lust, will fail misserably with women, (to me this would be a positive beleif), does this mean you really will fail becuase I have a such a strong positive beleife that you, Lust, will fail despite your beleifs that you will succeed?

haha, I just pointed out a paradox/flaw/contridiction in your logic.

next to DJF's post, this too is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.:crackup:


sorry man, we live in an objective world. This world follows laws that are true independant of your beleif system or your awareness of them. This means some bad things will be happening to you and others no matter how badly you want to beleive they wont. These bad things are a product of the objective system of laws that govern this universe.

are you on drugs?

 

[Lust]

okay, so what if I try and focus real hard, and have true faith into beleiving that you, Lust, will fail misserably with women, (to me this would be a positive beleif), does this mean you really will fail becuase I have a such a strong positive beleife that you, Lust, will fail despite your beleifs that you will succeed?

haha, I just pointed out a paradox/flaw/contridiction in your logic.

next to DJF's post, this too is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. :crackup:


sorry man, we live in an objective world. This world follows laws that are true independant of your beleif system or your awareness of them. This means some bad things will be happening to you and others no matter how badly you want to beleive they wont. These bad things are a product of the objective system of laws that govern this universe.

are you on drugs?

I'm saying the way you think and the way you deal with things will affect how you go about everything.


Someone's sig, i forgot who, said something like "Life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you respond to it".

A lot of negative responses will bring on other negative things.

I didn't say that nothing bad will happen to you if you wish on it hard enough, but having a positive frame of mind is going to have a positive impact. I certainly didn't say this would be true 100% in every materialistic thing you want to wish upon, you can think i will fail miserably with women all you want, but, that's not going to happen.

Plus, if these rules that are so true, so independant from postitive mind frames are true, why are some guys unbelievable better than others? I have a close mate, he thinks postively, walks into a room knowing that he will have a dozen numbers and made out with multiple chicks by the end of the night, and guess what? He does. Positive thinking will beneif you, thats all I'm saying.

Like i said, you seem single minded, but hey, think what you want, i don't mind. It was just my opinion.

 

[DJF or John]

Why is this guy so obessed with me? Why doesn't he get a life, rent a life, borrow a life somewhere?

God of Getting Rejected says,

"bigest load of crap I have ever read. pffft, comparing getting women to sales."

First off I made a reply to somebody else, why are you reading it? And who ever said that your opinion is even worth two monkey's balls?

"The best player Ive known has banged over 100s of women and is NOT a sales person..."

Okayyyyy

"...and DOES NOT compare getting women with sales. He looks at dating as....wait....hold on....here it comes.......AS DATING."

And who is this guy? Is this one of those "Good Looking" guys you talk so much about in your theories, on how their muscles are so big, and their 6 packs are so tight, and how they score all the women? The guys you write about.

God, why don't you just come out the closet and admit that you're gay? Dude listen, I don't give two shyts about you, and I really wont' care if you like to get bent over the fence.

I told you in the last thread, PROVE your Looks theory, you have yet to do it. Yet, you still continue....to log in, hit a reply button, put your mouse cursor in the big white space...and type a bunch of bullshyt.

Put up or shut up. And please, stop with the Crackup faces, like this: :crackup:. How whack is a guy that laughs at his own "jokes?" And why are you the only one laughing?

I do believe it now, you are a troll. You've been a member since 2003, yet the only contribution you've made to this discussion forum, is to put down other guys, saying they wont' be this or they wont' be that.

You talk real tough over a keyboard.

I'm willing to bet the weakest, skinnest, nerdiest guy on here can kick your azz in under 30 seconds.

The next reply I see from you, I want PROOF of your Looks Theory. I want scientific evidence. If you can't give me scientific evidence, then you know nothing. You aren't the "God" of getting laid. You are merely just another idiot, filling up forum space.

No matter of fact, you are an attention wh0re. You know that majority of guys on here will disagree with your "theory" so you keep bringing it up to gain more and more attention. I bet I'm turning you on right now by replying to you, aren't I? Lol, now that deserves a crackup :crackup:.

God you have no life. You are a poser. You get up here, and try to pretend to be somethign that you are not. You workout, but in all truth, you are not happy, you are miserable as hell. You WISH you had a lot of women that liked you. You WISHED that women would respond to you more, but they aren't.

But you know what...you've ran your mouth long enough, I'm tired of it, everybody on this forum is tired of it. The next reply, I want Proof of your theory. If you fail to produce that, do yourself a favor....READ AND DON'T POST.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Why is this guy so obessed with me? Why doesn't he get a life, rent a life, borrow a life somewhere?

God of Getting Rejected says,

"bigest load of crap I have ever read. pffft, comparing getting women to sales."

First off I made a reply to somebody else, why are you reading it? And who ever said that your opinion is even worth two monkey's balls?

"The best player Ive known has banged over 100s of women and is NOT a sales person..."

Okayyyyy

"...and DOES NOT compare getting women with sales. He looks at dating as....wait....hold on....here it comes.......AS DATING."

And who is this guy? Is this one of those "Good Looking" guys you talk so much about in your theories, on how their muscles are so big, and their 6 packs are so tight, and how they score all the women? The guys you write about.

God, why don't you just come out the closet and admit that you're gay? Dude listen, I don't give two shyts about you, and I really wont' care if you like to get bent over the fence.

I told you in the last thread, PROVE your Looks theory, you have yet to do it. Yet, you still continue....to log in, hit a reply button, put your mouse cursor in the big white space...and type a bunch of bullshyt.

Put up or shut up. And please, stop with the Crackup faces, like this: :crackup:. How whack is a guy that laughs at his own "jokes?" And why are you the only one laughing?

I do believe it now, you are a troll. You've been a member since 2003, yet the only contribution you've made to this discussion forum, is to put down other guys, saying they wont' be this or they wont' be that.

You talk real tough over a keyboard.

I'm willing to bet the weakest, skinnest, nerdiest guy on here can kick your azz in under 30 seconds.

The next reply I see from you, I want PROOF of your Looks Theory. I want scientific evidence. If you can't give me scientific evidence, then you know nothing. You aren't the "God" of getting laid. You are merely just another idiot, filling up forum space.

No matter of fact, you are an attention wh0re. You know that majority of guys on here will disagree with your "theory" so you keep bringing it up to gain more and more attention. I bet I'm turning you on right now by replying to you, aren't I? Lol, now that deserves a crackup :crackup:.

God you have no life. You are a poser. You get up here, and try to pretend to be somethign that you are not. You workout, but in all truth, you are not happy, you are miserable as hell. You WISH you had a lot of women that liked you. You WISHED that women would respond to you more, but they aren't.

But you know what...you've ran your mouth long enough, I'm tired of it, everybody on this forum is tired of it. The next reply, I want Proof of your theory. If you fail to produce that, do yourself a favor....READ AND DON'T POST.

blah, blah, blah, SHUT UP!

if you dont like my posts, dont read them.

Otherwise, instead of *****ing, why dont you try rebutting my points?

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Plus, if these rules that are so true, so independant from postitive mind frames are true, why are some guys unbelievable better than others? I have a close mate, he thinks postively, walks into a room knowing that he will have a dozen numbers and made out with multiple chicks by the end of the night, and guess what? He does. Positive thinking will beneif you, thats all I'm saying.

Well, if all one had to do was think positive, and things would come into place as you say happens to your friend, then this would imply that your positive thoughts alone are some how influencing the cuase and effect of events around you. THis would clearly violate physical laws.

The only effects your positive thoughts have on the world around you is when you turn them into an actual actions. Just thinking about succeeding with women is not going to magically change the girls brain sitting next to you, and all of a sudden she wants you, NO!

Also, again, what if Im in the same room as your friend, and Im truly beleiving that he will fail. To me,that is a very positive thought, seeing your friend fail. So whos magical thought process wins here if your friend is thinking the opposite, that he will succeed? According to you, positive thoughts equal success. My positive thought is your friends failure. Yeah, we went over this, this leads to a weird inconsistency here. THIS IS A BIG HOLE IN YOUR THEORY.

And as for why your friend really succeed....how do you know it was his positive thinking that got him the girl? How do you know it wasnt something else, ie maybe she just thought he looked good, or shes a desperate slvt etc. In fact, evidence suggests that most hookups are a result of mutual physical attraction. So this fact is taking away from the plausability th of your friend's happy thoughts that got him the girl

Youre like the idiot who didnt get a cold, but his friends did. He beleives its becuase he washes his hands. Well how did he know? how did he know its becuase he washed his hands that prevented him from getting a cold versus other things, like drinking vitamin C rich OJ, or maybe just having a strong immune system.

Your claiming to know the cuase of your friends success when you really dont.

Like i said, you seem single minded, but hey, think what you want, i don't mind. It was just my opinion.

And your dellusional. Being single minded is far vetter than being dellusional any day

Say, did you pay any attention in science class? do you know what the scientific method is? did you graduate from high school? based on your posts, id say no.

 

[kyphan]

The basis of this thread was: how many girls will it take to find a girlfriend?

My answer: as many as it takes to find a girl that fits my personal criteria. Anything less is a waste of time, as I have already learned in life. If I never find one, so be it, life is not about finding a girlfriend.

If you put any more thought into it than that, you may want to redirect your efforts to something productive. Like a book.