NOT Today Batman - Not Ever

[LikRetsam]

cave shmave. Deluding myself I am NOT. I'm merely stating 2 individuals (Myself and my current g/f) that are 2 examples of people for which get my points out well.

You do not decide against those things out of respect for your girlfriend... you do it because your girlfriend has given no reason for you not to

Correction, I have not given myself reason. I look back on the only "bad" time we've had and even though I was angry, I still went to a party and had relative fun but given the opportunity, I still did not cheat on her even though I was very angry. Let us change what I said and call it respect towards who I am. I have mentally chosen that I will not cheat on this specific girl, for XYZ reasons long before we dated. When we just 2 friends or even less, it was my decision that this would not be a chick I would cheat on. That's all. She can one day come to school, gather everyone round, make out with another guy and I still would not cheat on her. It is a conscious moral choice I chose to abide to.

Given the right conditions, as you say, would I cheat on XYZ girl? Who knows? Possibly. But From here to infinity, I will do all in my power NOT to. But perhaps, there is a unique situation that would make me cheat. Perhaps. I wouldn't avoid the situation... I'd just go against all odds and see what happens.

If we were to stay in the cave from the begining we wouldn't be here. I also see it as difficult to stop yourself when you're already falling.

I ponder. Let us say that we were back long ago before humans did what they are doing to the earth, when we were just budding. Living out in nature implies certain rules:
Kill or be killed.
The strongest survive.
All is fair game.

With that in mind, let us take a pride of lions. In this pride, there are 3 males and 9 females. The alpha male lion is the strongest and fittest of the other 2. He gets his dinner when he wants and gets puzzy when he wants. But only 1 of these does he claim often. The male lion will have sex for the sole purpose of reproducing. Yet he is the king of the jungle, he doesn't have sex for fun. He doesn't have sex in the name of love for another female eather.
Now let us look at one of the females and her cub. She will give her life to protect her cub. Period. We have all seen it. We all know how mothers are when their cubs are in danger. Be it bees, dogs, lions, humans, squierrels or any animal. Can you not call that love? Or is she doing it simply to assure the future of lions? Maybe there is some connection between her and her cub, maybe she defends it because it is part of her... the future her. Maybe, it is in her own interrest that she is giving her life.

If this were true, and we were to find a logical self centered explanation for everything "love", then we may ask ourselves: is love but a human creation? Is God not a human creation? Is backstabbing a human creation? Is happiness a human creation?
Some of those can be answered, some can not. Let us stick to love. Say love does in fact NOT exist. Say that science proves that love is just a chemical reaction that will not last. But the love we speak of, is but 1 kind of love. Love of humanity, love of the game, love of another... What if all this was infact just our brain making illusions for us?

I can not think of a single selfish reason why I would defend my mom should a killer come in the house. I would do it point blank without asking questions. Should she die, I will cry. Why? She does not bring the money to the family, she is not my tool she is in a sense "no longer necessary". This is the complete opposite of what I feel though. She is part of who I am and she made me who and what I am. Do I "love" her because I see myself in her or because without her I would not be me? Or even further, without her, I would not be.

love:strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties <maternal love for a child> (2) : attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers.

According to m-w.com . Affection comes up twice, attraction once.
So we now have 2 loves: Love for those who share our blood and those that do not. The attraction part however shows us that we can not speak of love because in the sense of one who does not carry our blood, it just means someone we could use to make more of our blood. And that is infact true. I have never dated a person that I wouldn't consider worthy of carrying my babies.

I need to go have some quiet time, this is alot for me to think about.

Lik

 

[AC/DC]

Originally posted by Jester
Jealousy exists because it isnt wrong.

I really liked your post, it influenced to make me an important decision today, but I had to disagree with this line.

Jealousy exists because people cannot control themselves and their wants, needs and emotions.

The ability to hurt exists because it isn't wrong?


I donno, I just thought it was a bad thing to encourage jealousy, but the message is clear: temptations are too great, and you're missing out on too much with other people and other things you couldn't do with a girlfriend.

Make sure your girlfriend is the best girl you can possibly find or get, to reduce these chances... love IS real and important, but not really necessary in high school. There are exceptions, however. There's one girl I'd love to keep forever, but hey... that's just me.


You're dead right about the character analysis too.

 

[Nocturnal]

My 2 cents.

Animals are inherently emotional creatures. I believe there is a balance between emotion and intellect. Included in emotion is instinct, which plays an important part in making up for a lack of intellect. The more intellect, the less emotion and instinct play a part in making decisions.

You cannot expect to make a decision if you cannot come up with a logical conclusion, so your emotion/instinct makes up for it.

Still, I think that people tend to give their emotion more credibility than it deserves. People don't trust logic that conflicts with the results of strong conditioning.

One of the best qualities I find in a person is their ability to trust logic. Even when things are beyond your comprehension, there is often a way to break something down into pieces you can make general assumptions about. Holding grudges, following your stomach, resisting change just because you've "always done it this way," making poorly founded generalizations/stereotypes, these things all reflect the mind of an emotional and illogical person.

Another of my philosophies is that one should not worry about or waste time/resources on that which you cannot reasonably change. To spend your time worrying about the negative aspects of life, without an opportunity to fix them, is reflecting a lack of logic and the triumph of unyeilding emotion. The most precious resource of all is time, and to toss it out the window without second thought is highly illogical.

 

[LuvMyArmyMan]

Originally posted by Jester
I'm sorry, but girls are more dependant on this illusion than guys. Your whole system of life is based on being paired up and married. I understand why you choose to ignore every logical piece of information in my post and instead tryed to cut me down by telling me its "normal to have these feelings". I am sorry tho that i had to present you with these doubts, reality sometimes is hard to gripe with. Again i apologize because im going to use you to help prove more of my arguement.

"Not all girls are sluts"

I disagree. I dont believe you are an exception to this either. Im not saying its a bad thing really, atleast not on the surface. Dont think im being mean with these next questions, im not. You're 17 or 18....how many times have you been ****ed? How many times have you had anal sex, oral sex, etc. I realise you are you current boyfriend arent having sex right now and are "waiting", but how many times have you had such a need for sex you wish he would **** you?(not saying these are bad things, just saying)

How many times have you watched "that" guy take off his shirt and oggle at his rippling abs and rockhard pecs and arms? Did you want him to **** you? If he approached you, lightly carressed your hair, looked deeply into your eyes, like he could see right into your soul, and bent down and kissed you, would you stop him?

Im sorry.

To that last paragraph, yes i would stop him. I'd probably slap him, actually. Now if it were my boyfriend doing that to me....hehe.....but not my bf doing that = no.

The things I have done sexually are really none of your business. And yes, I do realize that I went through a phase. but not all girls are sluts. One of my best friends is a virgin, and she's getting married this summer to her virgin fiance. She's only kissed other guys before. I would hardly call that slutty. And she's my age. I mean, literally, we're two days apart. My other best friend, who is 19, has only kissed maybe two or three guys. Never done anything else. My other best friend has only had sex with her boyfriend of three years. My friend Lauren, has only slept with one guy, she's 19, and even though she's kissed a lot of guys when she's drunk, i would hardly qualify that as slutty. My roommate, she has only had sex with her current boyfriend, and never did anything else before him. She's turning 20 this summer. My friend Paula doenst go around hooking up either. My friend sara is a virgin, never kissed a guy. And these arent ugly girls either, theyre really cute and pretty and nice and fun. They just dont choose to go around doing that. THe list can go on.

Not every girl has her "phase". I only did it out of depression and a need to feel loved and wanted and pretty. One time i was so piss drunk i said "fcuk it" and just did it. But that part of my life is OVER.

Of course there have been times when i wish we hadnt made that pact to wait until marriage but if we hadn't and we had sex, then am i a slut?

I have a feeling that you think that only non-virgins are sluts. What consitites a slut? Why would a girl be one?

And its an illusion that not everyone cheats? I know several couples that have never cheated on each other. Yeah, i was cheated on, but thats because the guy was a slimeball and I still wonder why the hell i was with him in the first place. And besides, we weren't "technically" going out, and he was on drugs half the time.

I think we already had this discussion with CLOONEY.

How am i cutting you down by telling you its normal to have those feelings? and no, my life isnt based on the everyone pair off and get married bit. I know there are a lot of people out there who dont want to get married. So they just date around, have relationships, and never settle down. Nothing wrong with that, just somehting i couldnt do. Maybe you cant. No biggie.

You said that all relationships are destined to fail and that we cant be in momogamous relationships, and no one can turn off our sexuality switches. Has it EVER occured to you that people in monogamous relaitonships are sexually attracted to EACH OTHER????? That no matter what, they'll still be turned on by each other? I mean, i think you missed that point. I think you feel that way is because you've never been in that kind of successful relationship before.

 

[JSH]

You said that all relationships are destined to fail and that we cant be in momogamous relationships, and no one can turn off our sexuality switches. Has it EVER occured to you that people in monogamous relaitonships are sexually attracted to EACH OTHER????? That no matter what, they'll still be turned on by each other? I mean, i think you missed that point. I think you feel that way is because you've never been in that kind of successful relationship before.

Uh durgh, you can be sexually attracted to more than one person.

As Jester said

I'm sorry, but girls are more dependant on this illusion than guys. Your whole system of life is based on being paired up and married.

Their whole system is based around that, thats why some of them are virgins, that is how they were indoctrinated, via the illusion system. And that list does not prove anything as they could be scared of culturally stepping out of line and losing it.

 

[MetalFortress]

"You tell me to be logical, but thats the most unlogical thing ive heard all day."

Are you kidding, YOU HAVE BLINDERS ON. Have you ever seen those couples who have been married for 40-60 some odd years, who are always going out for lunch/brunch on sundays after church and whatnot? Can you tell me that those relationships are failures? Are you saying that they are all unhappy marriages that just stay together because that's all they are used to? Look alive pal, THAT's the illogical thinking.

"All girls dont suck, i never said anything like that bro(actually some girls wont suck, but alittle ss will fix that, haha) I like a lot of girls man, some of them are fun. What im saying is, relationships are false. And you combatted my completely logical and non-kneejerk presentation that had facts and field experiences with saying its "fate" if it works out or not. Like pook might say, youre in the womb bro(i never read plato but i imagine that cave thing is the same as the womb). Read my post again, this time with opened eyes. I dont like to steal the matrix's bit, but maybe youre mind isnt ready to be free, or maybe its too late."

How can I even take you seriously if you're this elitist. All you have to offer is psuedo intellectual psycho-babble and an overreaction to a bad experience. You have presented no facts, ONLY OPINIONS. Stop embarassing yourself. You had no facts, you overreacted to limited experiences of your own, you stated a lot of opinion, not much logic, and little else, now realize that you are not the ultimate relationship authority.

 

[LuvMyArmyMan]

Originally posted by JSH
Uh durgh, you can be sexually attracted to more than one person.

As Jester said

I'm sorry, but girls are more dependant on this illusion than guys. Your whole system of life is based on being paired up and married.

Their whole system is based around that, thats why some of them are virgins, that is how they were indoctrinated, via the illusion system. And that list does not prove anything as they could be scared of culturally stepping out of line and losing it.

Yeah, duh you can but that doenst mean youre gonna go out and do anything about it.

My list was to prove that not all girls are sluts. And you know my friend Lauren that i listed? She NEVER wants to get married. Ever. She thinks the whole idea to be ridiculous, and i know Paula doenst want to either.

They weren't "indoctrinated" to be virgins, they just chose that. Sure, some are for religious reasons but they chose that.

 

[MetalFortress]

"MetalFortress... bringing fate into the equation are we? The thing is... in order to consider the failure or success of a relationship... you would have to consider what measure you would use in order to decide out of the two. Is ending the relationship... means the relationship failed... alas this is not always the case. Does staying together (but completely unhappy) mean that the relationship is a success... alas this is not always the case. It is called "settling down" for a reason MetalFortress, and that reason is because relationships contain the level of happiness that could possibly be achieved... you are "settling" for a certain level of happiness... not to say that such a thing is a bad thing."

Actually, it looked to me like Jester was saying all relationships were destined to fail, being based off a lie.

"Moreover... if relationships are not a fallacy.... then what are they? What truth holds up in a relationship? Someone may say, "I really care about this person... and no one else can make me feel that way." Are we certain? Have we given everyone the chance to make us feel that way? Certainly not... because in a relationship, you have mechanism in place to close yourself up, before you get close to anyone else... why... because everyone is adept to cheating... given the right conditions. Because of this... out of "respect" for your partner... you do your humanly best to make sure that you never create those conditions. Rabbit hole is getting interesting now is it not?"

It's hard to tell what part of my post you are replying to. Is a relationship "settling?" Sure, but it's better than wandering aimlessly and wasting time. Should I buy a Corvette, or test drive every individual car the world to make sure that that specific Corvette is really the one I want or is really the best one?

And what's with all this cave stuff? You're talking as if you're a super enlightened creature, but looking at you... you even admit that you live a sad existance. You chose pessimism over optimism. I choose optimism. Even if all I live for are just shapes on a cave, hell, they're good shapes to live for. But by talking about this proverbial cave we're all in, you are pissing on my leg and then telling me it's raining. How can you be so sure that you are out of a cave? How do you know that you haven't just walked into another cave of your own creation, but this time, a cave with no images on the wall, but it's just... there? And even if it had images, you would see only the chalk used to draw them, not the meaning behind them.

 

[Oxide]

I am going to dig in the wounds here...enjoy.



These posts by Matrix all sound the same: "Im walking from the cave, i am not conforming to society, i will not be a slave to a realtionship, girls will not conrtol me"

You and Jester debate that either "a. We live in ignorance, and alothough people are happy, they are slaves". or B. You "open your eyes" and see the things for what they are."

Well you know what, fukk you.
I dont know if you are trying to feed your ego, or trying to calm the voice inside your head that constantly repeats "Why are you afraid of enjoying life?" Stop making up god damn excuses to make up for your shortcomings.

"Oh, girls cheat if given opportunity, so i will not be with this girl who likes me" BULL****. Enjoy your fukking short life. Stop thinking your are so god damn special cause you are "different". Who gives a damn about your uniqueness if you are UNHAPPY.

"But i am VERY HAPPY, i am THE HAPPIEST" ARe you sure? Or is it the denial speaking, trying to find an excuse for not taking control of your life?


Why do people overcomplicate things so much? "I learned the truth so now my eyes are open!" - bull****!

"Ignorance is bliss, enjoy it you little minded puppets!" - bull****!


Live is a rollercoaster, you go up and down, you enjoy it, but sometimes it sucks and is too shaky. There are people who keep riding the rollercoaster becuase it is the funnest things they have seen. But you guys are the mechanics who are standing by yourselves watching and laughing at these happy people, whispering to each other "I cant believe they keep paying for this ****ty ride!".


Well you know what, stop being god damn pessimists and start actually enjoying your existance.

 

[LuvMyArmyMan]

sorry but i have to say, that cave crap is utter BS.

i'm disillusioned because i've found the person i want to pro-create and live with for the rest of my life with? becuase i believe in a thing called love? (hehe gotta love the darkness)

I think you two are disillusioned.

Gee, i wonder why you two feel this way

*drum roll please*

babababababdbadbabdabdadadadadadbababababadadaa

MAYBE ITS BECAUSE YOU HAVENT HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP YET! *shock*

omg its the end of the world. or MAYBE, just maybe, you havent found the right girl yet? Maybe you'll NEVER find her!

and thats no reason to be so bitter and pessimistic about relationships

telling these poor guys that theyre all ignorant for being optimistic in relaitonships isnt good. You're misleading them

LikRetSam is smart enough to get past your pseudo-intellectual bull crap based on some stupid kung-fu "the matrix has you" movie and some dead PHILOSOPHER who lived a couple thousand years ago.

LikeRetSam and i, and any married couple can tell you something a lot different based on EXPERIENCE. what you two lack is experience in a good relationship. Thus, you become disillusioned. and bitter.

 

[Alexis Zorba]

My reply

I am sorry I waited a while before I posted but I was extremely busy. Anyways here's my reply

“Unfortunately, there is no switch that turns off our sexuality.”

Your are damn right ,there isn’t. In that aspect we are like all animals. However we posses characteristics that animals do not. We have conscience, intellect, and willpower. These three form a kind of “synergy” that allow us to control ourselves( or in other words NOT CHEATING). When the mighty lion feels that potent sexual impulse he will automatically act upon it. That is to say he will go and grab a female (There is no need for me to describe the act, is it?).

When you see an extremely hot girl walking down the street you also feel that sexual impulse. If you are single you will immediately act upon it. We are DJs. Are we not? However, if you are not, you will use the human characteristic that I described earlier. You first become aware that your feelings derive from a sexual animalistic desire. Since you know it is not “right” to cheat on your girlfriend you will use willpower to resist that sexual urge.

But how did you arrive to the conclusion that cheating is not right? You used your intellect. You probably know that cheating will have negative effects on yourself. If your girlfriend finds out she will (if she has any self-respect) break up with you. You will also be viewed as a cheater by other females and thus your potential for new relationships will be diminished. Furthermore society has “programmed” you to believe cheating is not right. (I know Matrix will probably jump at me for this but if I try to justify this point I will start to ramble, and my digression will prolong to infinity).

What has been the purpose of my post up to this point? Well I just tried to demonstrate that “being on a diet doesn’t mean you can’t check out the menu”. Even if you ogle at a gorgeous girl, that doesn’t mean you are going to cheat. Will you cheat under some circumstances? Probably. So what do I do all mighty Alexis? (Had a little bit of a Pook moment didn’t I). Stay the hell away of those circumstances. For example: I don’t smoke weed (I have smoked but I don’t think it is good for me). I know that if enough social pressure is put into me when I am drunk I WILL smoke. So what do I do? I do not get drunk when I hang around weed smokers who insist too much. Do you know what was written at the oracle of Delphos? “Know thyself”. That piece of greek knowledge (or divine knowledge if you believe in greek gods)can be applied to many aspects of your life. The previous aspect is just one.

Know on to the point that there is no “real” love. Well there is. The effect that phenalynaline has on me is real enough. Of course it will wear off after some time. After three years you might discover that you don’t “love” your girlfriend anymore. So what do you do? Well you have to do things that revive that love. Hence I believe there is a value in the advice Lik gave us about being AFC’s just because we want to. You can use your voluntary AFCness to revive that love. However, be careful, remember this has to be done voluntarily. And do not overdo it. You might be conquered by your chumpness and you can loose that girl forever. If you do: BE A MAN, A DJ and move the hell on.

And I agree DONOT be tied down by a girl. Girls should just be a little addition to your life (but a lovely addition nonetheless). Girls are great as a complement not as the basis of your life. A girls should want to be a part of your life just as much as you want to be part of hers. (I really admire girls who live interesting lives).

O one final thing “But let me stop right there... I could continue but I will stop right there. You guys need to stay in the cave... it is a lot safer and a lot more certain.” That is a little presumptuous of you, don’t you think? To say that I am still in the cave when in fact I am the one who holds you captive in it.

O and Luv why did you put philospher in Capital letters? Have you even read Plato? What strikes me as funny is that here you are fighting like when boys fought girls in elementary school. (The same goes to all others who are dissing LuvMyArmyMan)

 

[LikRetsam]

Preach what you will about girls not being the focus of your life, and I agree. But realise that having a good girlfriend is by far greater than single life is, IMHO.

Luv brings an intellectual argument to the table with notions no one else has brought so far and her post is thought provoking. For you to critisize or even bring her gender in a means to dismay her argument is just pathetic .

Otherwise, I agree with your posts, Luv and Alex.

“being on a diet doesn’t mean you can’t check out the menu”

MAYBE ITS BECAUSE YOU HAVENT HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP YET! *shock*

 

[Best friends? NAY]

Make sure Matrix and Jester, when your walking out of your "cave" your not walking into a bigger, darker one. Made to seem like light the first one was. New light can be blinding, old light can be dim, but once you adjust you asume it is good, and you will almost ALWAYS adjust.

 

[Brazilian_Blues_Boy]

It's funny how predictable people are.
You're all giving my friend Matrix a hard time because of his intellectuality, yet, instead of bringing him down, you're only making him laughing, and reinforcing every single thing he knows about human nature.

That Cave Crap is bullsh!t?
Do you know Plato?
Do you have a set of theories that is strong and logical enough to bring his material down ?
Are you wiser than the grandfather of western philosophy?

" I don't give a f*ck about philosophy " , you may say...
That's a shame... because the whole economical , social, cultural and especially EDUCATIONAL system is based on philosophical conventions...

Before disagreeing with something, know it to its full extent.
Did you know that the man who studied Capitalism in more depth was the fater of Socialism, Karl Marx?

Indeed, you're all stuck inside the cave and sh!tting Matrix because he's out there screaming: " Come on, get out of this f*cking joint!"

Yet, you prefer to stay. Prefer to settle down with the f*cking same old social conventions that turn into mindless puppets of the governamental elite of Slavery Inc.

How can you call yourselves free? Do you know why do you believe in having an exclusive relationship with one person?
It's not because it's right and beatiful, it's a f*cking condition imposed by the Catholic church by the times of the end of the Roman Empire, to moralize it and adapt it to the christianism.

And why did they became adept to christianism? Because the Empire was so f*cked from its f*cking irresponsible emperors, so the only thing that could quiet the crowds down was the faith in God. Bread and circus my friends. And the tradition kept going and passing on and on through the christian families...

That's your f*cking monogamy. Opium to the masses.
Spirituality being prostituted.

Go on, call me a pessimist. Just because I'm talking about reality?

Like we say here in my country, the worst kind of blind man, is the one who does not want to see...

The truth is out there my friends, but they serve it to you in a buffet of lies...

 

[MetalFortress]

Not you too, BBB. First of all, your buddy Matrix is not speaking intellectually, he is acting like a guru on a mountain, trying to go with the "bs baffles brains" approach to scare people and make a show out of using a bunch of "..."es and "alas"es. Under it all, is basically "I am guru. You are all lost. I am free. Kekeke."

And you, listen to yourself pal. Your elitism is baffling at best, and stupid at worst. All you and your cohorts are doing is mental masturbation, then spraying your mental jizz all over the Sosuave boards. Just because it was written by someone with a more famous name than me, who lived longer ago, and who wrote books, doesn't make it truth, law, or anything more than a THEORY.

You and your pals are being rebels just for the sake of rebellion. We are all free to choose. Some, like you and your pal Matrix, choose what you choose, and pessimism. Others, like myself, Lik and Luv, choose monogamy and optimism. But for you to act like we are blind, lost, slaves, and whatever because we don't think that you and Matrix are gods is idiotic. Quit being condescending and learn to accept other people's views. And you and Matrix, quit putting yourselves on god-pedestals. I serve one God, and it ain't either of you two.

Now, you two can go spout some psychobabble about how monogamy is BS and how God is a man-made creation or any other rabble, or you can learn some respect for your fellow man and pipe down. I prefer the latter.

 

[Jester]

la de da de la de da


Im finding it very interesting you guys(and girl) are attacking my thread with remarks about things i *never* *ever* *ever* said.

Brings to mind a phrase ive heard before somewhere....who is it that you are trying to convince? When you bring up things to attack my thread that arent even in my thread or reply, what are you trying to prove? And more interestingly, to whom! Certainly not I, because I know what i did and did not say.

I see a lot. I just find it intriguing you seem to be more interested in convincing yourselves i am wrong, then convincing me.

Weird sh1t eh?

Examples:

Lilreksam: Luv brings an intellectual argument to the table with notions no one else has brought so far and her post is thought provoking. For you to critisize or even bring her gender in a means to dismay her argument is just pathetic .

Nobody in this entire thread said anything remotely close to saying she was wrong because she was a girl. btw, i dont think calling plato "bull-crap" has ever been called an intellectual argument

Oxide: [/i]Well you know what, fukk you.
I dont know if you are trying to feed your ego, or trying to calm the voice inside your head that constantly repeats "Why are you afraid of enjoying life?" Stop making up god damn excuses to make up for your shortcomings.

"Oh, girls cheat if given opportunity, so i will not be with this girl who likes me" BULL****. Enjoy your fukking short life. Stop thinking your are so god damn special cause you are "different". Who gives a damn about your uniqueness if you are UNHAPPY.

"But i am VERY HAPPY, i am THE HAPPIEST" ARe you sure? Or is it the denial speaking, trying to find an excuse for not taking control of your life?

Im not really processing what of this thread could be construed as ego-food. Do you know? And..uhh...whos afraid of enjoying life? I made no reference to anything of that nature whatsoever. I lead a good life my man. I even still dj girls, i just dont believe in monogamy as a sound ingredient to happiness.

I never said all girls will cheat either man. I understand how you may have mistaken my "what would you do?" section of the post for that, but i do not believe all girls will cheat. I do believe all girls will WANT to be with another man given the right circumstance though. And uhh that really isnt something you can deny. that uniqness stuff and unhappy stuff, i uhh never said i was unhappy, cause im not, and yes i am quite positive im really happy.

No clue where the "not taking control of your life" came from. I dont even know what point you were trying to make with that. Whered you get the idea i dont control my life? I can't seem to find it.


MetalFortress

Are you kidding, YOU HAVE BLINDERS ON. Have you ever seen those couples who have been married for 40-60 some odd years, who are always going out for lunch/brunch on sundays after church and whatnot? Can you tell me that those relationships are failures? Are you saying that they are all unhappy marriages that just stay together because that's all they are used to? Look alive pal, THAT's the illogical thinking.

How can I even take you seriously if you're this elitist. All you have to offer is psuedo intellectual psycho-babble and an overreaction to a bad experience. You have presented no facts, ONLY OPINIONS. Stop embarassing yourself. You had no facts, you overreacted to limited experiences of your own, you stated a lot of opinion, not much logic, and little else, now realize that you are not the ultimate relationship authority.

Whats your major malfunction butt-head?


I didnt say anything about them being failures man. And i really dont think any of you guys are stupid. So why do you take what i say, and uhh, reply to it with something i didnt say? lol

I said youre post was illogical because you said it was destiny. And the couples that have been married for 40-60 years, hey more love to em. we have no working study couples who have been married a long time, so icant say anything about it. but uhh i would suggest asking a couple individually if they are in love, then asking if they are happy. You may get two very different answers. But i cant say anything for sure about that.

And the facts were what we refer to as love is merely a chemical high caused by phenylethylamine among other drugs.(i misspelled it in my post), my whole arguement's basis was that scientifically proven FACT.


Im tired now, im sure theres more but im going to bed, maybe ill finish tomorrow.

I do understand tho guys, and i repeat i dont believe any of you are stupid. I would have probably had a similar reply to this thread if someone else posted it a year ago(like matrix said).

 

[MetalFortress]

"Don't let yourself be tied down by a girl, never, EVER, it is FALSE and it will cause you only unhappiness and regret in the end."

And would you call unhappiness and regret anything BUT a failure? Make up your mind. My post was about 10 times more logical than anything you said. Now I can add the list of "saying something, then saying something else" to the list of YOUR malfunctions.

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

It is much to early for me to get into all of this now...

 

[JSH]

Originally posted by LuvMyArmyMan
Yeah, duh you can but that doenst mean youre gonna go out and do anything about it.

My list was to prove that not all girls are sluts. And you know my friend Lauren that i listed? She NEVER wants to get married. Ever. She thinks the whole idea to be ridiculous, and i know Paula doenst want to either.

They weren't "indoctrinated" to be virgins, they just chose that. Sure, some are for religious reasons but they chose that.

religious reasons = some form of indoctrination, with society's norms. Go study sociology, we have very little real choice, but a huge amount of superficial choice. Religious reasons to me = indoctrination (not good or bad) because you are being told it by someone else and hteir own personal viewpoint.

omg its the end of the world. or MAYBE, just maybe, you havent found the right girl yet? Maybe you'll NEVER find her!

maybe theres no such thing as the right girl, just a chance of meeting someone with whom you do not fail with for whatever reason. Destiny ideas are pointless being drawn in as whatever happens is destiny. I can tell the future, i know that whatever you do will be done.

As BBB said

That's your f*cking monogamy. Opium to the masses.

And no alexis we are not DJs. Different people have different approaches to it, to some it means a mindset to others a concrete set of things that they want to be. Is this wrong, no but you cant make generalisations.

 

[Jester]

Originally posted by MetalFortress
"Don't let yourself be tied down by a girl, never, EVER, it is FALSE and it will cause you only unhappiness and regret in the end."

And would you call unhappiness and regret anything BUT a failure? Make up your mind. My post was about 10 times more logical than anything you said. Now I can add the list of "saying something, then saying something else" to the list of YOUR malfunctions.

what are you thinking man. you still ignore everything else i said, choosing to pick the one thing you have a chance at nitpicking.


just because you will be unhappy doesnt mean u didnt keep the relationship.

Youre perspective is that the girl is your source of happiness, and thats rather pathetic, especially coming from someone whos fighting tooth and nail with some of the most experienced members of the HS forum. The girl is NOTTTTTTTT a source of happiness my man, and in a monogomous long relationship. You are by definition tied down. But theres more than that, if youre in a relationship like that, msot of the time she is going to want to have kids. You may or may not want kids, but that means you gotta get a steady job that pays well buddy. Oh yeah, she wants a house with a white fence too, a nice safe $30,000 minivan.

It doesnt mean it failed, it just means thats all it can be.