Not everyone can develop Game/Social Skills

[OldbutSTRONG]

There are some posters here who say you don't need looks, wealth, or status, just Game. But not everyone can develop Game. It's a talent that's either natural or can be developed thru practice.

To say anyone can develop game is like saying everyone can either be a multi-millionaire, an athlete, the best sales person, surgeon, basically whatever you put your mind to you can achieve. It's not true. Some people can excel in certain fields while they will fail at others. Attracting women is a talent/gift/whateveryouwanttocallit and some guys will not be able to learn 'Game'.

I just find it irritating when a poster laments the importance of looks or wealth and someone dispels it by saying all you need is 'Game'. But what if you can't develop 'Game'? Then you should either work on your looks or wealth, because that can help.

Not everyone can have/learn 'Social Skills'. I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly.

 

[KontrollerX]

"I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly."

Yeah but you're a guy.

Its not meant to attract you.

I've seen guys doing "alpha" or "suave" things what have you that I thought were the stupidest lamest fvckin cheesy sh!t you could imagine and they had women all over them and no these guys were not the proverbial gay guys surrounded by chicks archetype but guys that were pulling top quality tail.

It doesn't matter if we as men think a certain guy's delivery is lame as fvck.

All that matters is what the women think of that particular guy's delivery.

 

[OldbutSTRONG]

"I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly."

I've seen guys doing "alpha" or "suave" things what have you that I thought were the stupidest lamest fvckin cheesy sh!t you could imagine and they had women all over them and no these guys were not the proverbial gay guys surrounded by chicks archetype but guys that were pulling top quality tail.
All that matters is what the women think of that particular guy's delivery.

KontrollerX, I believe you.

However like I mentioned, not everyone will be able to learn or be good at 'GAME'. So what I'm trying to get at is if you are going to be bad at game then one should improve on their wealth or looks as an option.

It's like everyone going to any type of seminar and expecting to excel. Only a very few will and some will improve and some just fail miserably.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

'You´re a loser or a winner, and in either case you´re right"
"As you think you shall become"

 

[PlaysToWin]

I like that quote.

Anyway, it is my belief that anyone can be anything if they set their minds to it and work hard enough at it. They might have to work harder at it than a 'natural' but it's still within reach.

 

[Jhcl4000]

KontrollerX, I believe you.

However like I mentioned, not everyone will be able to learn or be good at 'GAME'. So what I'm trying to get at is if you are going to be bad at game then one should improve on their wealth or looks as an option.

It's like everyone going to any type of seminar and expecting to excel. Only a very few will and some will improve and some just fail miserably.

How about we all improve our looks, wealth, and social value while also trying to game women when/where we see fit? This DJ stuff isn't all and completely about getting women, it's also about improving YOURSELF, inside and out, if you haven't noticed from the DJ Bible.

 

[Erik V]

I just find it irritating when a poster laments the importance of looks or wealth and someone dispels it by saying all you need is 'Game'.

I agree; it seems at least twice a week someone will make a thread that waves away serious discussions on here with a scoff and says "You only need SELF-CONFIDENCE." If all you need is self-confidence, then a lot of people I know would be master DJs, but they are not. Definitely not. Things like that is something people write in a forum to get cheers and green rep points. It sounds good, so people want to believe it. Anyone who disagrees is negative and so on. I don't like it because that kind of thread invariably contains posts that belittle the honest discussions other people have had in other threads. It is like a populist politician who says what people want to hear, and anyone who points out boring facts standing in the way is a negative pessimist. A little maturity, please.

 

[r0cky]

There are some posters here who say you don't need looks, wealth, or status, just Game. But not everyone can develop Game. It's a talent that's either natural or can be developed thru practice.

To say anyone can develop game is like saying everyone can either be a multi-millionaire, an athlete, the best sales person, surgeon, basically whatever you put your mind to you can achieve. It's not true. Some people can excel in certain fields while they will fail at others. Attracting women is a talent/gift/whateveryouwanttocallit and some guys will not be able to learn 'Game'.

I just find it irritating when a poster laments the importance of looks or wealth and someone dispels it by saying all you need is 'Game'. But what if you can't develop 'Game'? Then you should either work on your looks or wealth, because that can help.

Not everyone can have/learn 'Social Skills'. I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly.

Thats just your opinion. Truth is, ANYONE with enough time and money to spare can take PU training with the pros such as RSD and have game in a matter of days. Never EVER, in my 7 years in the community, have I heard of someone that took PU training from the pros and did not become succesful with women.

 

[Kal0051]

I the OP is kind of right in a way. I don't think I'll ever have good "Game", for whatever reason I don't think I can get to that level. However, I do think there are things I can learn and improve, just won't be good at it (just less terrible).

but that's just my personal opinion.

 

[ALPHAROMEO]

Random Thoughts

i ve always been a talker with a sharp tongue
i remeber as a kid ebtertaining my cronies with loads of dribble but i had them interested
no every one has this ability whatever you call it

today i am a language teacher i talk i joke

on the other hand i wasn t always like that
i remember my first lesson as a teacher i lacked confidence so much that i wrote every single word of the lesson in advance
today i am mre confident naturally i still write a few things down like the sort of Q s i ll ask and a rough plan of the lesson

university
at college i could t talk do public speeech i just couldn t face an assembly of people and do a lecture i just couldn t ( goin to IRAN OR WHAETEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER DEAL

today it s no big issue
it shows that the human beeing can improve i am the lIving proof of that


DYD DE ANGELO :cheer:
DAVID writes in his seminal ? bk " double your " that you must know in advance what you are going to say to the chick ( i forgot which page ) but check out the book again
YOUR MUST PRESCRIPT THE CONVO IN YOUR HEAD B4 YOU STRIKE UP A RAP WITH HER

 

[ALPHAROMEO]

Random Thoughts

i ve always been a talker with a sharp tongue
i remeber as a kid ebtertaining my cronies with loads of dribble but i had them interested
no every one has this ability whatever you call it

today i am a language teacher i talk i joke

on the other hand i wasn t always like that
i remember my first lesson as a teacher i lacked confidence so much that i wrote every single word of the lesson in advance
today i am mre confident naturally i still write a few things down like the sort of Q s i ll ask and a rough plan of the lesson

university
at college i could t talk do public speeech i just couldn t face an assembly of people and do a lecture i just couldn t ( goin to IRAN OR WHAETEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER DEAL

today it s no big issue
it shows that the human beeing can improve i am the lIving proof of that


DYD DE ANGELO :cheer:
DAVID writes in his seminal ? bk " double your " that you must know in advance what you are going to say to the chick ( i forgot which page ) but check out the book again
YOUR MUST PRESCRIPT THE CONVO IN YOUR HEAD B4 YOU STRIKE UP A RAP WITH HER

 

[OldbutSTRONG]

How about we all improve our looks, wealth, and social value while also trying to game women when/where we see fit? This DJ stuff isn't all and completely about getting women, it's also about improving YOURSELF, inside and out, if you haven't noticed from the DJ Bible.

I totally agree. I just don't agree with the posters who dispel anyone who laments the importance and value of looks or wealth and gives examples of poor ugly guys who can get girls just by game. We should try to improve all three.

 

[zekko]

Not everyone can have/learn 'Social Skills'. I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly.

I think a lot of this stuff is pretty stupid when you get right down to it. The whole idea of "swagger" for instance to me is just downright retarded. But I just shrug my shoulders and go with it because it seems to work. They call it "game" for a reason, the whole mating dance between men and women is like a game. You either play it or you don't.

I agree; it seems at least twice a week someone will make a thread that waves away serious discussions on here with a scoff and says "You only need SELF-CONFIDENCE."

Confidence is a huge thing, it was a big part of the issues I've had. But you can go anywhere, even to sites where women give dating advice and the first thing they'll say to you is "be confident". It's completely generic advice. If they get down to explaining WHY this is and HOW to get confidence then it helps a bit more.

 

[OldbutSTRONG]

Thats just your opinion. Truth is, ANYONE with enough time and money to spare can take PU training with the pros such as RSD and have game in a matter of days. Never EVER, in my 7 years in the community, have I heard of someone that took PU training from the pros and did not become succesful with women.

IMHO, I believe not everyone going to a "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" seminar will walk away a multi-millionaire.

Not everyone going to study for medicine will walk away being a doctor.

Not everyone training and dieting hard will have that elusive 6-pack for a long time.

We are all different. Assuming every guy has the capacity to learn 'Game' is wrong. Should I assume every person has the ability to become a Comedian thru practice and hard work?

I just don't want guys to rely solely on 'Game' by posters giving out examples of 'Lesser' guys who are successful with ladies just because they have the natural gift of gab or thru constant practice of PUA techniques.

 

[jeffthechef]

But not everyone can develop Game. It's a talent that's either natural or can be developed thru practice.
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I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly.

Point1
Perhaps I'm the only one who noticed this but the op's title is.."not everyone can develop game/social skills" but in the first paragraph the op states, "It's a talent that's either natural or CAN BE DEVELOPED THRU PRACTICE."
hmm....so anyone can develop game..with practice as you said
your post + my reading comprehension = self-contradicting

Point two..
someone above me said it...it looks dumb to you because you're ag uy...when i see guys being suave in the movies..i think to myself..what a corny *****...unless of course it's brad pitt or george clooney...then it's a turn on HAH

HOWEVER
OP i do agree with a point of yours
there's no reason to rely fully on game..even if someone had enough game to get any girl..if that guy decided to let his looks and personality go...

then i'd think that guy was a lazy sob...and not in anyway a man/alpha/dj/etc.

soo in conclusion i believe (meaning my opinion, just to be clear):
-anyone can get game
-game isn't something you should solely focus on
-looks and wealth can help, sadly because people are shallow except for the enlightened few...but they can't marry you..ironic heh
-go get some *****/find love/go do something productive with your life

 

[PappyS]

If anybody works at anything hard enough then they will get better at it. They may never be the best. They may never even be very good. But they will improve.

If you compare game, looks and wealth, game is the area where a person has the biggest chance of improving. With looks there is always the glass ceiling of age and genetics. Most people want to become rich, but most people never do. The vast majority of people stay in the economic status they were born into.

 

[shyguy32]

ObS, if you have "game" no your not going to be able to get ANY woman you want, but you will have the confidence to at least try and get the woman you want. And yes, anyone can learn this as long as they're willing to step outside of their little comfort zone and take the failures with the success. Do you think the "icons" of the PUA just woke up one day and knew how to kick game? they went through a crap load of rejections, more than most of us here will ever go through.

Your whole attitude about this is wrong, you feel like you just will never have game. So you wont, hate to say it, but you wont! Every "rich" person and ever athlete have one thing that you don't have! No it's not necessarily skill, it's a Positive Mental Attitude that they will succeed no matter what. Do you think Robert Kyisoki ever said " oh man I will only make 10,000 dollars", no he said "I'm going to make millions thats my goal and NOTHING is standing in my way". Do you think Michael Jordan ever said "Why are they letting me shoot this last second shot, I'll just miss it". NO, he said "Give me the damn ball we're winning this game". See they envisioned their success, they had no doubts in themselves.

And my self-doubt still is there and i'm working through all this stuff, but I can see a HUGE diff in how I treat and talk to women now than I did 5 years ago.

So if you don't correct your attitude then yeah you will never be good at game.

 

[Die Hard]

OP, what about yourself? You say not everyone can develop game blablabla... Are you yourself also one of those persons who cannot learn it?

 

[Luminescence]

"I've seen guys try to be 'Alpha' or 'Suave' and honestly, it comes across as silly."

Yeah but you're a guy.

Its not meant to attract you.

I've seen guys doing "alpha" or "suave" things what have you that I thought were the stupidest lamest fvckin cheesy sh!t you could imagine and they had women all over them and no these guys were not the proverbial gay guys surrounded by chicks archetype but guys that were pulling top quality tail.

It doesn't matter if we as men think a certain guy's delivery is lame as fvck.

All that matters is what the women think of that particular guy's delivery.

I think there should be a single thread on here devoted to mastering power games, that are pretty much unavoidable whenever other guys are around.

When it's just women alone, the most basic social skills often suffice, but when you add a bunch of other guys into the equation, then it comes down to your skills in the art of ''one upmanship''. Women will usually go for the guy that everyone respects, you're competing for this respect because there is not enough of it to go around.

 

[Blood Angel]

However like I mentioned, not everyone will be able to learn or be good at 'GAME'.

Wrong. Unless the person in question is irrecoverably ****ed up in some way (paralyzed from the neck down, has uncontrollable urges to kill or something equally extreme) then they can, if they put in enough time and effort, develop game.