Not eating starch bad?

[NewDude001]

Hmm, recently I discovered that my diet and acne were directly related. I won't go into detail but I cured any blemishes I had with a strict diet of only fruits, veggies, fish, and nuts. I'm 17 and still growing, would this adversly affect growth by any chance?

 

[manuva]

Nope, it's one of the healthiest things you can do for your body. Make sure you're getting plenty of protein, and drink plenty of water.

 

[NewDude001]

Hey, thanks man, only reason I bring up this coHey, thanks man, only reason I bring up this concern is the fact the diet lacks ANY glucose and seeks to get carbs from fructose. If this diet doesn't have any problems then I'd recommend it to anyone that wants clear skin without the side effects of all the crappy topical treatments.

 

[bbestar]

Ive Changed to wheat bread for the last few weeks... Is this also good instead of white bread... Ive been eating baked potatos from wendys

 

[uzio]

Too much fructose -> bad (fructose does not replenish muscle glycogen easily - too much fructose = yer gettin fat).

Besides - there is some funky stuff happening to hormones when there is too much fructose in your diet.

Better rely on veggies as your source of carbs and vitamins.

 

[NewDude001]

Hmm, wheat bread and white bread are essentially the same. Potatoes are also bad as they are very starchy.
Alright, let me explain how this stuff works in a very condensed version. When you consume any type of glucose (sugar) your body must produce insulin in order to dispose the cells of the sugars. This sudden rise in insulin within your body also produces excess male hormone leading to the production of sebum, causing acne. For those of you who believe acne and diet are NOT related, need to realize that this assumption is based on a study done 30 years ago with test subjects being offered chocolate and then counting the number of zits in the next few days, no other change in their diet was made aside from this candy bar. Furthermore, credited universities have conducted several studies to show a direct correlation. One such study noted that non-westernized societies living in New Guinea experienced absolutely no signs of acne until being introduced to a western diet, connection? You be the judge.
Getting back to what you can and can’t eat, you have to eliminate anything that causes insulin spikes from your diet. This means cutting out any sugars or any food that is converted into sugar upon entry into the bloodstream. A glycemic scale has been designed for this exactly purpose, this scale measures how quickly food is converted into sugar and how much of an insulin spike it creates (do a google search for it to compare various foods) The only problem is that you have to eliminate most foods….. no bread, cereal, rice, pasta, pop, chips, potatoes, and even carrots and bananas…..the list goes on and on.
The only “safe” foods to eat turn out to be fresh or cooked veggies, fruits, nuts, and meats. Note how I also cut out dairy from that list because it too has been a known cause for triggering acne, one study showed up to a 50% improvement in patients who cut out dairy products. Besides, modern dairy is only good for calcium due to the pasteurization process that it undergoes, simply get some calcium fortified orange juice and drink enough to get 100% daily value or get a calcium supplement from a food store.
That’s it folks, you get carbs in the form of fructose from fruits (more than enough actually), protein from meat, and fats from nuts. This is next to the healthiest diet you can have, not only will you have MUCH more energy to work with, you will also have naturally clear skin.

 

[NewDude001]

In response to what Uzio said about fructose....I'm advocating eating fruits, not fructose. Whole fruits are made up of only 20% fructose I believe, besides, who ever heard of someone getting fat off apples and peaches? :crackup:

 

[uzio]

NewDude:

Obviously you don't have a clue what are you talking about.

First - fructose is also known for fruit sugar because it makes up most of the carbohydrates in fruits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

Go here, educate yourself.

Anyhoo - glycemic index is useless for bodybuilder, has marginal meaning for endurance athlete and should be considered important for normal couch potato.

And frankly - getting your carbs from monosaccharides is at least stupid. It is best to avoid monosacharides altogather (except maybe some glucose after a workout).

BTW - if you never heard of ppl getting fat from fructose - go outside and count fat people. Chances are they consume candy sweetend with modified corn syrup which is... bling bling ...fructose (even up to 90% - with median about 50%).

BTW - ways to avoid insulin spikes are easy
1. go keto diet
or
2. eat many small meals
or
3. eat only very low glycemic index carbs (that is 25 or lower)

 

[NewDude001]

well, i guess I was wrong about fructose However, I'm hardly worried about getting "fat." I'm just saying that eating fruits is a good source of low GI carbs. In fact, I believe you only need to comsume something like 5-6 apples per day (maybe less with veggies) to satisfy the daily requirement of 120 grams of carbohydrates. Otherwise, this diet seems pretty okay I guess.

 

[Silver_Grizzly]

Originally posted by NewDude001
Hmm, wheat bread and white bread are essentially the same. Potatoes are also bad as they are very starchy.
Alright, let me explain how this stuff works in a very condensed version. When you consume any type of glucose (sugar) your body must produce insulin in order to dispose the cells of the sugars. This sudden rise in insulin within your body also produces excess male hormone leading to the production of sebum, causing acne. For those of you who believe acne and diet are NOT related, need to realize that this assumption is based on a study done 30 years ago with test subjects being offered chocolate and then counting the number of zits in the next few days, no other change in their diet was made aside from this candy bar. Furthermore, credited universities have conducted several studies to show a direct correlation. One such study noted that non-westernized societies living in New Guinea experienced absolutely no signs of acne until being introduced to a western diet, connection? You be the judge.
Getting back to what you can and can’t eat, you have to eliminate anything that causes insulin spikes from your diet. This means cutting out any sugars or any food that is converted into sugar upon entry into the bloodstream. A glycemic scale has been designed for this exactly purpose, this scale measures how quickly food is converted into sugar and how much of an insulin spike it creates (do a google search for it to compare various foods) The only problem is that you have to eliminate most foods….. no bread, cereal, rice, pasta, pop, chips, potatoes, and even carrots and bananas…..the list goes on and on.
The only “safe” foods to eat turn out to be fresh or cooked veggies, fruits, nuts, and meats. Note how I also cut out dairy from that list because it too has been a known cause for triggering acne, one study showed up to a 50% improvement in patients who cut out dairy products. Besides, modern dairy is only good for calcium due to the pasteurization process that it undergoes, simply get some calcium fortified orange juice and drink enough to get 100% daily value or get a calcium supplement from a food store.
That’s it folks, you get carbs in the form of fructose from fruits (more than enough actually), protein from meat, and fats from nuts. This is next to the healthiest diet you can have, not only will you have MUCH more energy to work with, you will also have naturally clear skin.

not only will you be low on carbs all the time, but youll also have to chew through nuts the whole damn day if you want to gain weight, DOES ANYONE THAT LIFTS WEIGHTS SEE A PROBLEM HERE?

 

[bbestar]

Originally posted by Silver_Grizzly
not only will you be low on carbs all the time, but youll also have to chew through nuts the whole damn day if you want to gain weight, DOES ANYONE THAT LIFTS WEIGHTS SEE A PROBLEM HERE?

No cause you got whey to save you !

 

[NewDude001]

Hehe, if you are lifting weights and trying to gain weight you would probably just need to eat more fatty meats, that's all

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by uzio


Anyhoo - glycemic index is useless for bodybuilder, has marginal meaning for endurance athlete and should be considered important for normal couch potato.

And frankly - getting your carbs from monosaccharides is at least stupid. It is best to avoid monosacharides altogather (except maybe some glucose after a workout).

wow how much twisted information can you give in one post? GLUCOSE CANNOT BE FOUND OUTSIDE OF THE BODY, the highest gi you can find outside of the body is dextrose (2 glucose put together)
and athletes do watch gi, ever heard of a runner loading up carbs by eating sugar the night before? NEITHER DID I he would usually eat pasta, wich is low gi if you put it into context between oatmeal and dextrose.

BTW - ways to avoid insulin spikes are easy
1. go keto diet
or
2. eat many small meals
or
3. eat only very low glycemic index carbs (that is 25 or lower)

keto diet isnt healthy.

 

[manuva]

Originally posted by uzio
NewDude:

Obviously you don't have a clue what are you talking about.

First - fructose is also known for fruit sugar because it makes up most of the carbohydrates in fruits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

Go here, educate yourself.

Anyhoo - glycemic index is useless for bodybuilder, has marginal meaning for endurance athlete and should be considered important for normal couch potato.

And frankly - getting your carbs from monosaccharides is at least stupid. It is best to avoid monosacharides altogather (except maybe some glucose after a workout).

BTW - if you never heard of ppl getting fat from fructose - go outside and count fat people. Chances are they consume candy sweetend with modified corn syrup which is... bling bling ...fructose (even up to 90% - with median about 50%).

BTW - ways to avoid insulin spikes are easy
1. go keto diet
or
2. eat many small meals
or
3. eat only very low glycemic index carbs (that is 25 or lower)

1) Fructose is a low GI carb.

2) Keto diet is unhealthy.

3) Comparing fructose from corn syrup and fructose from fruit is ridiculous. The amount of fructose in fruit in minimal. Simply because corn syrup is concentrated fructose doesn't magically make fruit 'bad' because it is known to contain low levels of fructose.

4) The link you provided DOES say that research did not link obesity with fructose supplementation.

5) Eating small meals will not prevent an insulin spike. It will, however, raise your metabolism.

Obviously you don't have a clue what are you talking about.... educate yourself.

 

[uzio]

wow how much twisted information can you give in one post? GLUCOSE CANNOT BE FOUND OUTSIDE OF THE BODY, the highest gi you can find outside of the body is dextrose (2 glucose put together)

Bullcrap. Dextrose = Glucose. Or more specifically. Dextrose is one of the isomers of glucose.

A carb that is made of two particles of glucose is maltose.

And besides - there are foods that have _higher_ GI then glucose (go figure)

and athletes do watch gi, ever heard of a runner loading up carbs by eating sugar the night before?

I did. First you go for ketosis, and then load up carbs (1-2 days before the event) to get maximum possible amount of glycogen in the muscles (supercompensation may increase your glycogen storage by 50%). In that stage it does not really matter if it is a mono or poli carb.

NEITHER DID I he would usually eat pasta, wich is low gi if you put it into context between oatmeal and dextrose.

Fyi - you eat pasta 2-3 hours before the event, and rely on simple carbs during the event. That is why I said that it has some meaning.

keto diet isnt healthy.

Can you back it up? Besides - I didn't say its healthy, I said it is to avoid insulin spikes.

 

[uzio]

1) Fructose is a low GI carb.

Yes.

2) Keto diet is unhealthy.

Debatable

3) Comparing fructose from corn syrup and fructose from fruit is ridiculous. The amount of fructose in fruit in minimal. Simply because corn syrup is concentrated fructose doesn't magically make fruit 'bad' because it is known to contain low levels of fructose.

Fruits aren't "bad", they are just not as good as the hype says. Besides - something between 10 and 20 grams of mono and di carbs (read fructose and sucrose) isn't really _minimal_.

4) The link you provided DOES say that research did not link obesity with fructose supplementation.

The link I provided was just on what fructose is, and it noted certain dangers associated with it.

Here:

http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&q=fructose+obesity&btnG=Szukaj+w+Google&lr=lang_en|lang_pl

5) Eating small meals will not prevent an insulin spike. It will, however, raise your metabolism.

Not quite. If your carb intake in one setting is low enogh (or gi is low enough) to avoid rising blood glucose above certain level then you will avoid insulin spike. Obviously it is easier to get that with several small meals.

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by bbestar
No cause you got whey to save you !

Whey is rather expensive way to get carbs...

 

[NewDude001]

Wow, thanks for all that guys This doesn't really prove or disprove a meat/fish, nuts, veggies, and fruits diet being good or bad for an active, growing teenager. Eating Fruits and Veggies (even though veggies are VERY low in carbs) seems to be a much healthier alternative to the typical American's carbs from grains. Not only is it healthier, it also prevents insuline spikes.

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by NewDude001
Wow, thanks for all that guys This doesn't really prove or disprove a meat/fish, nuts, veggies, and fruits diet being good or bad for an active, growing teenager. Eating Fruits and Veggies (even though veggies are VERY low in carbs) seems to be a much healthier alternative to the typical American's carbs from grains. Not only is it healthier, it also prevents insuline spikes.

Well - what is your caloric requirement?

You can make very sensible diet based on that products - and frankly, any diet that avoids heavily processed food is healthy by default

Just throw some good fats into the mix, and you're set

 

[NewDude001]

That's what I figured, I can meet my caloric requirement of 3000 and get plenty of good fats from fish/meat and nuts. However, I dunno how to meet my carb requirement of 300 Each apple is about 17...this means I have to eat 18 apples a day any suggestions? Thinking maybe baked beans. Btw, all the feedback is greatly appreciated...been stressing out about this lately