Not confirming plans with females.

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@BeExcellent i use to be like your man. Lol.. i initiate but i don't confirm. Maybe i just advanced again.. she cancelled this morning. Ive been seeing her fora while and we had a heated debate. 3 weeks NC and i set up a date friday. I hadnt heardfrom her in days. She cancelled said she was sick. Its bullchit. Im not blind. A beta male would say oh ok i hope you get better soon then try again. Writing is on the wall.. she plays games.. i wont put up with that chit. Her turn to initiate now. Alpha 1 game player 0
 

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@RickTheToad i agree. I refuse to confirm plans ive been banging this broad for a while. And we had a argument and stopped talking. She hasnt bothered to message me since we set up the date.. now if i dont hear from her tommorow or the day of the date. I take it as cancelled. I refuse to confirm the date as that gives her validation that i am a needy desperate man. Alpha wouldnt answer her or confirm the date he would wait for the response on her end. My work is done. Its all up.to her now.
I've got news for you. Pretending not to be a needy desperate man isn't fooling anyone. This sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of this by saying it...
 

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Ok guys i was meant to go there tommorow. I just got a message. Mind you i havent heard from her in days.. she said she is sick and dont bother coming over. My response? No response. She is full of chit. This girl tries a real power struggle with me.. so if she wants to play immature games she will be met with no response. I know i sound butt hurt i can assure you im not.. i knew this was coming because we hadnt spoken. But im a man and ill handle it like one... i really dont care im the highest value guy she will ever have.. she can go back to the scrubby guys lol
I'm not sure you have handled anything "like a man" in any of the posts I've read...basically it sounds like you've read a bunch of stuff on the forums and are throwing sh!t at the wall to see what will stick...I'm guessing your lack of congruency in date must be mind boggling and confusing to these women.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

There is such a thing as too much alpha, aka ass hole behavior. I agree 100% with @Atom Smasher on this. It all stems from mindset. A man with value isn’t worried about his impressions by confirming. He’s more concerned about the value of his own time.

The man I’ve been dating confirms. He always has. It’s simple. He’ll say simply “ETA 7pm” or he’ll say “See you at 6:30”. Something very simple. He assumes I plan to see him because he knows he’s sought after and unwilling to waste HIS time. Typically he picks me up at mine too, which is a bit of a drive for him, so no way he’s headed over if I’m not planning to go.

At times his confirmation is simply “Leaving now” or “On my way”. I know how long it takes for him to make the drive...and I’ll always acknowledge his text. However I typically don’t confirm with him. I assume he’s a man, he made a date and he plans to show up. It’s been that way since we met more than 18 months ago.

Some women (myself included) do not chase after men. Some women respond rather than initiate. I’m one of those. I expect a man to make a move, make a decision, make a plan and follow through. That’s what masculine men do. There is nothing beta about that. I will be warm, receptive, encouraging and responsive every step along the way. If we have text banter I’m going to respond...if he goes radio silent I’m going to let him restart the convo., and I’ll respond. I’m observing his interest level as well as his leadership through his actions. And I will positively reinforce his assertiveness through my receptiveness which creates a positive feedback loop and also retains some sexual tension or erotic energy in the interaction. All good things.

I’ve always found it a sign of insecurity in a man to expect women to initiate and chase. That isn’t the natural feminine role. The man starts the interaction cascade because that’s what the man wants. The man sends a simple confirmation because HIS time has value. The man texts between or before dates because HE wants to. It’s not from a place of uncertainty but rather from a place of certainty.

If the woman isn’t responsive she disqualifies herself. Simple. This is what Atom Smasher is saying. Too many guys here put up with low interest level because they put up with one word responses, maybe responses, mixed signals, etc.

I may expect a man to show me his leadership...but you can bet your ass I’m going to respond timely and warmly. I’m going to respond in a way that shows I am interested. He’s not going to wonder.

Confirming a date is a perfectly masculine thing to do for your own self respect. Time is the most valuable thing any of us have.

Expecting the woman to lead in this way undercuts a man’s leadership and erodes his value. Be a man. Lead. That includes initiating & confirming in my view.
Too much alpha usually means fake alpha...aka a guy not knowing how to apply these principles and going completely to the other side of the spectrum where he has an almost equal lack of success...usually pretty easy to spot...take a principal and take to it to the extreme...then talk about how you are "alpha for doing it"...

Except in most cases it ends up screwing them over more times than not...
 

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@BeExcellent i use to be like your man. Lol.. i initiate but i don't confirm. Maybe i just advanced again.. she cancelled this morning. Ive been seeing her fora while and we had a heated debate. 3 weeks NC and i set up a date friday. I hadnt heardfrom her in days. She cancelled said she was sick. Its bullchit. Im not blind. A beta male would say oh ok i hope you get better soon then try again. Writing is on the wall.. she plays games.. i wont put up with that chit. Her turn to initiate now. Alpha 1 game player 0
Going ghost right now is a great play, and I'd go ghost for good on this one, her level of disrespect is too high.

I've been in similar situations like this, and my play is usually "Hope you feel better." Then I disappear for good. I like to end things on a somewhat mannerly fashion, but not responding is maybe even better here. Just not my personal style.
 

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Too much alpha usually means fake alpha...aka a guy not knowing how to apply these principles and going completely to the other side of the spectrum where he has an almost equal lack of success...usually pretty easy to spot...take a principal and take to it to the extreme...then talk about how you are "alpha for doing it"...

Except in most cases it ends up screwing them over more times than not...
Agreed. Naturally alpha men behave like Atom. I think the OP is following a formula he has not deeply internalized into his core.

There is also a greater context at play here that I think should be noted. Very attractive women have tremendous choice in the marketplace and that fact shouldn’t surprise anyone here. I as a sought after woman am not going to tolerate jerk behavior. I’m just not. There are too many quality guys out there to put up with it.

If the woman OP references is a HB9, she’s got other men who pay attention to her on a regular basis. If she feels no engagement or emotional investment whatsoever from Mr Hard Core (False) Alpha? She’s going to roll her eyes, see his phoniness for what it is and explore other options herself. End of story.

I think that’s exactly what has happened here. High value people are sought after. Period. Don’t expect a high value person to put up with bull crap behavior. I won’t, Glass won’t, Atom won’t and you won’t @marmel75. This chick knows her value and she’s moved on to find someone more at her own level.

That’s my read based on the information given for the OPs situation.
 

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Yes, total azzhole alpha is messed up, but I do not see how chasing a lady to confirm are we still on is a good sign. Going to stick with what works with me and not confirm. My confirmation is setting the date and telling her if something changes on her end, let me know, and I'll do the same. No reason to do anything else. Has nothing to do with being alpha or beta. It just makes logical sense.
 

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@BeExcellent wait a minute!! Your the lady that gave a guy advice about taking another mans woman LOL! Yeah your real high value.. more like another crab in the bucket lol.. your low value actually not high.. i wouldnt give you the steam off my urine
 

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The moment you give out the date/time, you disappear (no texting/calling). A day before you can say something to reinforce the date, not ask if she is till available for the date.

You lead, the girl follows.
 

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@greatsnake yes well she cancelled lol. Owell who cares? Not this little black duck lol
Lol I remember I ghosted this chick (never answered) after she cancelled on me. A month later I get a random text from her saying that she was sorry, that she was sick and wanted to go on a date. Man, that was great!

Plenty of fish out there!
 

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I've been in similar situations like this, and my play is usually "Hope you feel better." Then I disappear for good. I like to end things on a somewhat mannerly fashion, but not responding is maybe even better here. Just not my personal style.
@BeExcellent A beta male would say oh ok i hope you get better soon then try again. ... Her turn to initiate now.
Yeah, personally I would have said something like "No worries. Feel better soon." and not responded again unless she contacted me again and apologised. It's hard to say without knowing the exact situation or how she phrased the last message. In any case, she doesn't sound like someone I'd be that bothered about: 3 weeks NC sounds like too much hard work to me.
 

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My confirmation is setting the date and telling her if something changes on her end, let me know, and I'll do the same. No reason to do anything else. Has nothing to do with being alpha or beta. It just makes logical sense.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on this. Don't think I've ever had a no show doing it like this.
 

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@markfromeurope but i genuinly do not care lol thats what im trying to tell marmel75 and beexcellent.. i dont not give a **** lol.. i always get the girl and hot one's. Ive never confirmed a date not even once. Lol
 

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It’s not about saving yourself the hassle, it’s about are you important enough for her to save the date.

If you confirm, you are initiating and the girl as an out. If you don’t confirm, she has to initiate to give herself an out. Makes a world of difference.

‘Hey Cindy, we are still good for Friday 7 pm?”
‘Oh yeah, is that tomorrow? Oh I completely forget. My sisters boyfriend is coming into town and we are having dinner with him and his friends. I’m so sorry!”


I would never ever confirm. You are wasting your time.
Guess what?

Cindy wasnt showing up if you confirmed or didnt confirm.

High interest- it doesnt really matter- she is showing up
Low interest- it doesnt really matter- she will either cancel as you simulated above or you will show up and she wont be there.
 
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OP if you’re going to start insulting people whose replies to your posts you don’t agree with, then why don’t you just tell people what replies you want:

‘Here’s my issue, and here’s what I want everyone to say.’

Because if you’re going to get upset when people aren’t telling you what you want to hear, then don’t post at all. Have thicker skin and an open mind because people tell it like it is here and are upfront about it. We have all been on the receiving end of it too. I’m not saying you have to agree with every reply but see what you can learn here and disregard the rest if you really don’t agree.

You mentioned that you and her had a heated debate recently, is there perhaps a connection there that lead to her cancelling?
 

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OP if you’re going to start insulting people whose replies to your posts you don’t agree with, then why don’t you just tell people what replies you want:

‘Here’s my issue, and here’s what I want everyone to say.’

Because if you’re going to get upset when people aren’t telling you what you want to hear, then don’t post at all. Have thicker skin and an open mind because people tell it like it is here and are upfront about it. We have all been on the receiving end of it too. I’m not saying you have to agree with every reply but see what you can learn here and disregard the rest if you really don’t agree.

You mentioned that you and her had a heated debate recently, is there perhaps a connection there that lead to her cancelling?
OP must have read somewhere that this is how you act alpha and is trying to apply the principles...once again wrongly.
 

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Women are super flaky today, I would never go out of my way for a meetup without some sort of confirmation before hand.

I had a friend who was supposed to meet up with a girl he met on bumble, or tinder I forget. Anyway, they were supposed to meet up for a drink and she ended up not showing up. He had actually gone there at their arranged time, hung out there for a bit and she ended up messaging him saying that she wasn't interested lol. I would be furious if someone wasted my time like that but in the bigger picture I'd be happy, as why the hell would one want someone like that in their life.

I think something simple like "see you at 8" or "looking forward to seeing you this evening" would be fine.

This.

This debate comes up every few months and I'm still blown away by the results and response.

Those of you who say confirming a date is beta, supplicating, blue pill, whatever, are way too far down the Red Pill rabbit hole.

Someone please explain to me how it is emasculating to ensure someone doesn't waste your time especially given the amount of attention women receive these days, how flaky many are, and the poor behavior many can display. Many women have zero issue standing you up or acting rude. Dating etiquette has taken a nosedive over the past 10+ years, this I can personally attest to based on many data points. Can you actually screen for this based on an OLD profile and a few text messages? No.

My MO: I make and set the date and then always send a short text the day-of to ensure we're still on. Something like, "See you tonight at 8:00 at The Kitchen" or "Looking forward to our oyster eating contest tonight at 8" etc. Simple and effective.

A MAN has goals, a schedule, and things to do. Those of you who choose to roll the dice on whether someone will show up frankly have too much time on your hands to consider your time all that valuable. Mine is precious and not to be wasted. Truth.

Good luck.

~Dash~
 
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