Not another short guy thread

[Perroloco]

Yeah, I know. We've all read them. The short guy whining because women don't like him. We're all sick of them, I get it. I'll try to make this one different.

I don't do well with women, and I'm trying to change that but I'm having trouble nailing down the exact source of the problem. I'm 5'7". Not a midget, but certainly not "tall" by any standard. There's no doubt this is a hinderence in attracting women, but I guess I want to quantify that. How much of a problem is it, really?

I've read that the confidence problems that come from being short are worse than the actual lack of height. (It's funny, I don't feel short around other men, only around women) This may be true, or it may be something they tell short guys to make them feel better, I just don't know.

I guess, what makes me ask is that I'm always trying to improve my overall value. And in many ways I think I've done that. Educated, good job, fit etc, but I'm not seeing much feminine payoff to all this work. I don't know where to go from here, and I need to know if this CAN be fixed at all. I'm not bragging when I say I don't know how to improve myself anymore (yeah I know there's always room for improvement and I'm not perfect, but you know what I mean). When I look at myself the only thing I can see I'm really missing is height. Do I need a bigger house and a better job, where does it end? I'm trying to tighten my game, but I don't know if it will ever be tight enough to make up. Any ideas where I go from here?

I hope that wasn't too whiney. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard sometimes. I don't want to vent about my problem, I want to fix it, but I'm afraid I'm pretty clueless about this stuff.

 

[HumbleNinja]

Yeah, I know. We've all read them. The short guy whining because women don't like him. We're all sick of them, I get it. I'll try to make this one different.

I don't do well with women, and I'm trying to change that but I'm having trouble nailing down the exact source of the problem. I'm 5'7". Not a midget, but certainly not "tall" by any standard. There's no doubt this is a hinderence in attracting women, but I guess I want to quantify that. How much of a problem is it, really?

I've read that the confidence problems that come from being short are worse than the actual lack of height. (It's funny, I don't feel short around other men, only around women) This may be true, or it may be something they tell short guys to make them feel better, I just don't know.

I guess, what makes me ask is that I'm always trying to improve my overall value. And in many ways I think I've done that. Educated, good job, fit etc, but I'm not seeing much feminine payoff to all this work. I don't know where to go from here, and I need to know if this CAN be fixed at all. I'm not bragging when I say I don't know how to improve myself anymore (yeah I know there's always room for improvement and I'm not perfect, but you know what I mean). When I look at myself the only thing I can see I'm really missing is height. Do I need a bigger house and a better job, where does it end? I'm trying to tighten my game, but I don't know if it will ever be tight enough to make up. Any ideas where I go from here?

I hope that wasn't too whiney. I'm trying to stay positive but it's hard sometimes. I don't want to vent about my problem, I want to fix it, but I'm afraid I'm pretty clueless about this stuff.

Do you actually talk to chicks? Or do you just "know" it's because you're 5'7? Are you 5'7 barefoot? Chicks are "allowed" to cheat on height with high heels, boots etc. Open them with: Hey nice heels! Good choice. They look good with your outfit! (Chicks love to talk about their shoes..Make sure yours look damn good and are new too.) Ask them how short they are without their heels etc. on. (Most have added at least three inches to their height going out at night with heels on.

You can cheat just the same. Add three inches to your height with shoes with thick soles and add inserts to the insides to give you three inches to your height if that's what you feel. They can do it. Why can't you?

http://www.askmen.com/fashion/fashiontip_500/554_how-to-look-taller.html

Use the tips in the link as far as dressing up as well as thick soled shoes and inserts. Easy.

 

[Perroloco]

I talk to women a good deal. I can get along with them ok. They ALWAYS attempt to put me in the friend zone. I always make a pass, then ignore them after they shoot me down (I will NOT exist in the friend zone)

I'd never really thought about lifts. It always kind of seemed like a bald guy wearing a bad toupee. Something that would only draw attention to the deficit. But maybe it's something to think about.

 

[HumbleNinja]

I talk to women a good deal. I can get along with them ok. They ALWAYS attempt to put me in the friend zone. I always make a pass, then ignore them after they shoot me down (I will NOT exist in the friend zone)

I'd never really thought about lifts. It always kind of seemed like a bald guy wearing a bad toupee. Something that would only draw attention to the deficit. But maybe it's something to think about.

Read the updated reply I posted above as far as dressing, colors, verticle stripes, hairstyle, as well as the shoes (not ridiculously thick soles) just soles with good height and use inserts inside. They can just be for "comfort".

If chicks smell insecurity, desperation, neediness, and or fake "confidence" on you they will put you in the friendzone.

Wear a good cologne when out too. Do you work out? Show off your arms subtly. Use fitted shirts, nothing baggy or loose especially if you're short. It'll make you look shorter.

 

[Perroloco]

These are good tips. I lift weights every other day, not a bodybuilder but a good physique. I should pay more attention to clothes. I'm not sloppy or anything but I never really thought about how clothes make one look taller or shorter.

 

[HumbleNinja]

These are good tips. I lift weights every other day, not a bodybuilder but a good physique. I should pay more attention to clothes. I'm not sloppy or anything but I never really thought about how clothes make one look taller or shorter.

It's in creating a mirage of being taller or shorter. Most don't pick up on it.

Also pay attention to the accessories you wear out (if you do).

Chain to big.

Glasses frame too big.

Logo on shirts too big

Belt too thick.

Watch with too big of a face etc.

Chicks will look at those as well and it will give off the impression to their subconcious that the short guy who is wearing them is "too small".

If any of those above are you..try to get everything "smaller" or appropriate for your size so they don't make you look "smaller".

If you can imagine what a short mannequin would look like with accessories too big it makes the mannequin look "smaller" if you put the appropriate size on it'll look "taller" and "bigger".

Clothes that make you look more like | | make you look "taller" than clothes that fit like ( ) even though | | and ( ) are the same height.

Also get a hairstyle that isn't too over the top tall. Use shampoo with body boosting, use thick but not ridiculously thick soled shoes, boots, sneakers. Make sure they're new and or at least looking really good. (Chicks pay attention to shoes). Use gel or any kind of good shoe insert. You can get cheap dr-scholl gel inserts at the grocery store. Have your clothes more in darker colors, if striped vertical, go tanning, keep working out and get a good swimmers build. Wear form fitting clothes (shirts slim fit or tailored) not loose fitting or baggy but not skin tight jeans either. Stand tall with good posture and head straight but not "forced" looking. You'll be much "taller" in no time.

 

[Mike32ct]

Taller hair helps. Grow it out and spike that shyte up. (Not extreme, but some.)

I encouraged my 5'7" ish buddy to do that. He gets a decent amount of female attention now. He actually does better than me now. I'm 5'11" but balding. He has a full head of hair.

Shaved heads, buzzes, or very short hair can call attention to a shorter guy's height.

 

[Perroloco]

Is online dating worth if for a shorter guy? Or will he just get filtered out? Is it better to be honest or lie a little? Maybe leave the height section blank or max it out and say you are 8'?

 

[Robert28]

Do you actually talk to chicks? Or do you just "know" it's because you're 5'7? Are you 5'7 barefoot? Chicks are "allowed" to cheat on height with high heels, boots etc. Open them with: Hey nice heels! Good choice. They look good with your outfit! (Chicks love to talk about their shoes..Make sure yours look damn good and are new too.) Ask them how short they are without their heels etc. on. (Most have added at least three inches to their height going out at night with heels on.

You can cheat just the same. Add three inches to your height with shoes with thick soles and add inserts to the insides to give you three inches to your height if that's what you feel. They can do it. Why can't you?

http://www.askmen.com/fashion/fashiontip_500/554_how-to-look-taller.html

Use the tips in the link as far as dressing up as well as thick soled shoes and inserts. Easy.

DO NOT do this! Do NOT make a comment or compliment a woman's shoes or how she looks in them or how you think they're sex or hot, or anything like that. Don't even mention them! Why? Because you will immediately be labeled as "having a foot fetish" or "having a shoe fetish" and appear "weak" to them. Seriously, don't do it! Look, I think some women look bad fvcking a** in flats and jeans or flats and tights or certain heels, the problem is you HAVE to keep this a complete secret to yourself....ALWAYS. Never let the cat out of the bag because society says that guys are ONLY supposed to like women's butts and boobs. Nothing else. Well ok, maybe you can like her hair, her arms, her shoulders, you can even be into some of the kinkiest sexual sh!t you can dream up and get away with it but for some reason they automatically label you if you even mention their shoes or feet. Even though they spend hundreds of dollars on shoes, pedicures, sh!t like that, you still aren't supposed to notice. Women can "like a man in uniform" and that's ok and normal but a guy can't think they look sexy in a pair of shoes.

 

[HumbleNinja]

DO NOT do this! Do NOT make a comment or compliment a woman's shoes or how she looks in them or how you think they're sex or hot, or anything like that. Don't even mention them! Why? Because you will immediately be labeled as "having a foot fetish" or "having a shoe fetish" and appear "weak" to them. Seriously, don't do it! Look, I think some women look bad fvcking a** in flats and jeans or flats and tights or certain heels, the problem is you HAVE to keep this a complete secret to yourself....ALWAYS. Never let the cat out of the bag because society says that guys are ONLY supposed to like women's butts and boobs. Nothing else. Well ok, maybe you can like her hair, her arms, her shoulders, but for some reason they automatically label you if you even mention their shoes or feet. Even though they spend hundreds of dollars on shoes, pedicures, sh!t like that, you still aren't supposed to notice.

I've never had a problem with it. Quick comment. Unless you come off staring like a weirdo. You dudes get far too worried about what random chicks think. Most don't give a crap unless you come off like an aspie or creeper. Again I've never had a problem with it. Hell I SELL women's shoes part time. I LITERALLY TELL THEM I like the slutty kinds. I simply don't give a chit. They laugh, most will try to stand beside me to "measure up" for going out or whatever they're going to do.

The two chicks I met from online didn't give a chit. One made a comment and actually got jealous I work selling women's shoes and asked how many I meet. If they find you good looking enough they don't care.

Is online dating worth if for a shorter guy? Or will he just get filtered out? Is it better to be honest or lie a little? Maybe leave the height section blank or max it out and say you are 8'?

First have your height fixing in order as I stated above BEFORE you take pics of yourself or have them taken to put online. You want to give off the impression of height. Take pictures with shorter people. If you are in a group and you're the shortest or look short next to chicks they will know you're "short".

Second LIE about your height by at LEAST two inches. All chicks BS on online dating. If they find you hot enough in person and at least in your pictures they simply won't give a chit when they meet you.

 

[Robert28]

I've never had a problem with it. Quick comment. Unless you come off staring like a weirdo. You dudes get far too worried about what random chicks think. Most don't give a crap unless you come off like an aspie or creeper. Again I've never had a problem with it. Hell I SELL women's shoes part time. I LITERALLY TELL THEM I like the slutty kinds. I simply don't give a chit. They laugh, most will try to stand beside me to "measure up" for going out or whatever they're going to do.

The two chicks I met from online didn't give a chit. One made a comment and actually got jealous I work selling women's shoes and asked how many I meet. If they find you good looking enough they don't care.



First have your height fixing in order as I stated above BEFORE you take pics of yourself or have them taken to put online. You want to give off the impression of height. Take pictures with shorter people. If you are in a group and you're the shortest or look short next to chicks they will know you're "short".

Second LIE about your height by at LEAST two inches. All chicks BS on online dating. If they find you hot enough in person and at least in your pictures they simply won't give a chit when they meet you.

Yeah don't stare.lol I will say that women these days look for ANY Godd@m thing to label you as a creeper. They were really more laid back a few years ago then they are now. I was just pointing out that you really have to walk a fine line when it comes to commenting on stuff like that because you will easily get labeled as having a fetish. I guess I've just been meeting the wrong girls lately or something, who knows. It's like they've had a stick up their @$$ before I even talked to them and it didn't matter what I said they were just looking for some guy to blow off.

 

[HumbleNinja]

Yeah don't stare.lol I will say that women these days look for ANY Godd@m thing to label you as a creeper. They were really more laid back a few years ago then they are now. I was just pointing out that you really have to walk a fine line when it comes to commenting on stuff like that because you will easily get labeled as having a fetish. I guess I've just been meeting the wrong girls lately or something, who knows. It's like they've had a stick up their @$$ before I even talked to them and it didn't matter what I said they were just looking for some guy to blow off.

I have had many chicks ask me if I have a foot fetish or do we put the shoes on womens feet when I tell them I sell women's shoes part time.

I tell them: We're busy as hell there. We don't have time nor care to put shoes on chicks feet. We drop the boxes in front of them and keep it moving for more $$$. I also tell them I didn't know how dudes could have a foot fetish but then kindof understood once I started working there and saw how heels lift up the calves and azz. Then tell them we see all kinds of chit. And from dealing with all kinds of chicks everytime we work we KNOW chicks have NO IDEA what they want.

You couldn't believe it unless you've dealt with them on a regular basis. They could "LOVE" something and return it the next day. ALL OF THEM when asked will say: "NOT ME!" I don't do that!" It's hilarious as they're all full of it trying to keep up with the joneses and latest styles. You really learn to not take anything chicks say seriously. period.

 

[hockeyfreak79]

I'm 5'8" maybe an inch taller in my boots. I have a plate that's my height, her okc profile said 5'7"? Damn she's got some long legs. Just going to ride the wave & play the game with this 1. Confidence goes a long way OP.

 

[Perroloco]

What made me start this thread is the reply I got in another forum. I'm not having much luck and I asked for advice. One of the replies was basically "you're short, game is not going to work for you. You're like a fat girl who can't diet"

It sounds cruel, but I'm starting to think it's the truth. I had a bad night tonight and I'm just in a really depressed mood, I guess. I shouldn't post when I'm like this, but I just need some kind of release. I feel so low, right now. Like it's never going to change, no matter what I do.

Sorry for the whining

 

[apprenticedj]

Buck up Perroloco! When things don't go our way it's easy to get sucked into that black cloud of doom. I'm unhappy with my current situation also but I'm looking at it as a positive. I'm working on myself and I'm improving.

You can never change the fact that you're not a tall man but I know short guys who pull hotties all the time. I was once messing with a beautiful chick, 5'8", busty, curvy in all the right places. Her previous BF? 5'6" 125 pounds. She was TALLER and HEAVIER than HIM!!! But they were together for 6 years and she's still in love with him!

So short guys do have a disadvantage, we can't lie to ourselves. Being tall does help your game, I can vouche for that personally. But it's not the biggest thing. Keep on grinding and don't let a bad streak get you too down. You'll be fine my friend.

 

[Perroloco]

Good grief. I realized women didn't find short men attractive, but this...

https://twitter.com/expsnghghtsm

This is the kind of stuff that makes me think it's hopeless.

 

[synergy1]

Good grief. I realized women didn't find short men attractive, but this...

https://twitter.com/expsnghghtsm

This is the kind of stuff that makes me think it's hopeless.

Good lord, this kind of **** makes me glad I am 5'11". That kind of hate scythes deep, I don't care who you are.

And lets not get ahead of ourselves. There are ugly/fat women too that plenty of guys hate on. The fact is people are ****ty and we have to deal with it. In the case of short guys, they have to do a bit more work than taller guys. Thats life.

 

[Perroloco]

short guy = ugly/fat woman

Google "short men should" and see what the auto complete function gives you.

 

[synergy1]

short guy = ugly/fat woman

Of course not, but they are ridiculed in the same manner. It does not feel good to be short and disqualified on that - it does not feel good to be fat or ugly and disqualified for that either ( not that I would know).

People have a choice. Accept where they are, or at least make the best of what they have. Granted I have never been short, I have other downfalls that have plagued my game. There are plenty of other dudes who have always gotten the girl I wanted because mostly I either didn't look the part or act the part. its easy to type that, but it sucked to be a part of. Unlike those guys , I have had to work over the years to improve all those facets to *still* not be as good as them...but now I get good results.

As a short guy you will have to work twice as hard as a comparable person who is close to 6'0". But if you work at it, a favorable outcome will eventually present itself. Its not fair, but life never is fair. Get out there and get 'r done!!!

Edit: I understand what you are saying. I have a family member who is insecure, and very short. his dating life is about as difficult as you will ever see. Whats worse is that he has no self esteem so the path to the promised lands will be wrought with failure and frustration. It sucks. However thats how it is.

 

[Perroloco]

I hear it's not as bad in Latin America. Does anyone know if that's true? My Spanish isn't perfect, but it's good enough. I could get by.

I have responsibilities now, and I can't leave. But maybe in the future.