NOFAP 2021

[SW15]

Are women now magically attracted to you?

Nofap will have the opposite effect after the first week, it actually lowers your libido significantly. You either use it or lose it. Yes porn is bad, but it's not hard to fap without Porn.

Doing no porn and nofap might make a guy more aggressive on approaching after 1-4 weeks of no porn and nofap but after about 4 weeks, aggressiveness in approaching is likely to diminish. Brain fog is reduced though. No porn and nofap is more beneficial in handling white collar office politics by being more masculine than with doing approaches and increasing attraction. I don't think my cold approaches went substantially better in the no porn and nofap era than before. I did some app swiping as pre-no porn and nofap and post no porn and nofap and didn't see much of a difference.

Generally speaking though, no porn and nofap is easier to do when you are getting laid regularly.

If you start no porn and nofap with a blank slate in your woman life and you don't get laid within 3 months, you're not going to feel good but it's still worth keeping up no porn and nofap. It's more natural. Men were not meant to watch porn and fap.

Bro, relationship therapists are the WORST people you can take advice from. Everything they say and do come from a gynocnetric lens, it’ll **** up your relationship more than anything. There’s even stories about where women have trained men to become cucks so that they can cheat and the dude likes it. Are you a degenerate? Because that **** is an abomination. Foh.

Agree that relationship therapists are bad and generally gynocentric. A lot of relationship therapists are women. Women are more of the MA level counselors than men. Among PhD level psychologists, it's more balanced but there are a lot of PhD female psychologists. Male PhD level psychologists are generally not red or black pill guys either.

 

[rjc149]

You clearly have reading comprehension issues.

Not having enough research is NOT the same thing as having research that says it’s a placebo. You can’t say that there isn’t any credible research suggesting health benefits because there isn’t any research to say that there aren’t health benefits either. There’s just not much data on it except for that one small study that showed there was an increase in testosterone.

Just because you’re too stupid to understand how research actually works doesn’t mean your point is valid. Everything YOU are saying is just as much an anecdote as the nofappers, if not more so. If you think getting your wife to watch some other dude’s 10-inch hotdog pound attractive women is gonna make her want to have sex with you and NOT that dude on the camera, then you’re a brainless cuck. Suffering from Dunning-Kruger doesn’t mean you’re smarter than me, it actually shows your inherent idiocy. Go get a pregnancy test because you just got raped.

You’re talking yourself in circles in this grand effort to be a troll. Thanks for the input, little guy, but adults are talking here.

 

[rjc149]

Well, this escalated quickly, so to speak.

That's the trouble with the internet these days. Internet experts will expert about anything.

I was periodically doing NOFAP, incidentally, before it became an internet ideology, and still experienced benefits, so the placebo arguement doesn't really wash.

Yet to be convinced of long term benefits, but then I'm only on day 16 so, we'll see.

Again that would be consistent with the research suggesting that short periods of abstinence can provide short term benefits, so it’s likely you were experiencing those benefits. For that reason I also limit fapping to 2-3 times per week. Daily fapping does make me feel more sluggish, and I don’t think that’s placebo.

What the research indicates, however, is that continuing the period of abstinence for longer periods is inversely correlated with those benefits— the longer you go, the less benefits you realize, and possibly, the more harm it can actually do.

It’s perfectly natural to fap every so often, unlike drinking, eating sugar etc which are purely pleasurable pursuits with no real
benefits (except maybe small amounts of red wine). But if this is a means of exerting self-control or some form of monastic self-deprivation to strengthen willpower, then okay. Best of luck not busting a nut this year. Damn lol! That’s a long time.

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

its been my experience when you're a young buck 30 and under porn doesnt have an effect initially, I remember fapping 5 or 6 times a day to porn around age 30. I was horny all the time. As i progressed into my 40s i noticed it was becoming more and more difficult to reach orgasm during sex. Mid to upper 40s it got even more difficult and i noticed i couldnt maintain wood long enough to get the job done with a woman , even started having this problem doing it myself to porn. It's like after 10 minutes of going at it i just losing sensation in my tool, like its numb almost and after awhile it becomes a mental issue too. After 50 forget it. I can go about 15 minutes tops before Mr Johnson taps and i need to be really turned on and excited by the woman to have a prayer of orgasm . I blame years of porn and fapping for desensitizing my penis and my brain to sex. I think it has lessened the excitement and stimulation of being with a real woman. Nothing worse than still having the desire but not being able to get the equipment to work right. Guess all im saying is long term fapping to porn might cause problems later in life. In your 20s & 30s you're invincible but after 40 that starts fading fast.
I did get some Sildenafil this week i'll be trying out for the first time tonight so im hopefully that helps put me back in the ball game.

 

[derby1]

As i progressed into my 40s i noticed it was becoming more and more difficult to reach orgasm during sex. Mid to upper 40s it got even more difficult and i noticed i couldnt maintain wood long enough to get the job done with a woman , even started having this problem doing it myself to porn. It's like after 10 minutes of going at it i just losing sensation in my tool, like its numb almost and after awhile it becomes a mental issue too. After 50 forget it. I can go about 15 minutes tops before Mr Johnson taps and i need to be really turned on and excited by the woman to have a prayer of orgasm . I blame years of porn and fapping for desensitizing my penis and my brain to sex. I think it has lessened the excitement and stimulation of being with a real woman.

Thank you for confirming to the young bucks, although I am only mid 30's this has all been cured with Nofap

 

[derby1]

It's funny how you ignore actual studies showing the benefits of regular masturbation and instead use Anecdotes To further fuel your own confirmation bias.

Education and wisdom are two different things,

You are educated and know that, at a pedestrian crossing the car must stop for you!

I am wise, and know that the 2 tonne car, and the mental clarity of the driver decides.

Please whatever you do, dont work in the mental health field with your black & white outdated thinking.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Not sure so can go the full year on hard mode, so to speak.
Am working out hard and heavy, preparing for a long hot summer. With the social exclusion over the winter, all these females are going to be climbing up the walls come the spring time. Crisis and opportunity, and all that.

 

[Lookatu]

I think we can all agree that "Different strokes for different folks" applies here...

 

[lost_blackbird]

That's strange. Did you have your testosterone level check?

This has been mentioned on here before. I'm sure it's certainly lower than it was 20 years ago, but
that's natural given that I'm 48 in a couple of months. I'm UK based and it's hard to get to see a NHS doctor
for life threatening stuff at the moment let alone something non essential like that which only leaves the
option of going private which I simply can't afford. T treatments are commonplace in the US but not so
much here in the UK. It will cost me £50 just to get a check never mind any necessary ongoing treatment
after that. The outward indicators are all good, decent musculature, deep voice, plenty of facial hair etc.
The autism is definitely a factor though.

When you say bewildering, what do you mean by that? Like too intense? I know that oftentimes people with aspies don’t like physical affection and closeness too much because of that but I’m not sure if that’s the right way to put it.

There’s also another thing—you said you tried nofap for a month, implying before you actually were jerking off. This points towards the problem not being libido per se, but something else. Do you actually have no sex drive or is it there? How would you describe this phenomenon for you?

That's pretty close to the truth, I don't like being touched by anybody at all. I find the female form stimulating when
it's just an image on a screen but dealing with the real thing is very confusing for me. The woman I married pursued
me from the outset, we'd have never gotten together at all if it had been left to me to make an advance. Honestly? I
fap mostly to either keep me calmer as I can get worked up easily or to help me sleep when my mind starts racing. I just
feel like females are an alien species and I don't know what's expected of me in terms of conversation or behaviour or
how to escalate. It seems to me a bit rapey to proceed regardless of even minor resistance and my wife does have a
point, I don't particularly like women. Like being the operative word here. I think most of them are utter lunatics, with
over inflated egos and I won't entertain any of that BS just for access to a damp hole.

That's because it's a placebo effect. I can approach women no matter if I just fapped or not,it doesn't change anything in my opinion.

I was just giving it a try to see if it made any difference to my behaviour with regard to making advances.

 

[rjc149]

After 50 forget it. I can go about 15 minutes tops before Mr Johnson taps and i need to be really turned on and excited by the woman to have a prayer of orgasm . I blame years of porn and fapping for desensitizing my penis and my brain to sex.

This is more realistically attributable to a natural decline in testosterone and advancing decrepitude that comes with age. Body parts will eventually stop working the way they once did regardless of how you lived your life.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I quit porn, and i no longer frig off.

my LeRoy, is now considerably bigger than it has been for the last 10 years.

I get morning wood regularly.

I sleep better..

the best feeling is the raging boner when i spend the evening with a woman. I leave her looking a decorators radio.

Cutting porn is huge. It's actually training men to simp and normalize cuckoldry.

 

[Romanemp22]

This has been mentioned on here before. I'm sure it's certainly lower than it was 20 years ago, but
that's natural given that I'm 48 in a couple of months. I'm UK based and it's hard to get to see a NHS doctor
for life threatening stuff at the moment let alone something non essential like that which only leaves the
option of going private which I simply can't afford. T treatments are commonplace in the US but not so
much here in the UK. It will cost me £50 just to get a check never mind any necessary ongoing treatment
after that. The outward indicators are all good, decent musculature, deep voice, plenty of facial hair etc.
The autism is definitely a factor though.


That's pretty close to the truth, I don't like being touched by anybody at all. I find the female form stimulating when
it's just an image on a screen but dealing with the real thing is very confusing for me. The woman I married pursued
me from the outset, we'd have never gotten together at all if it had been left to me to make an advance. Honestly? I
fap mostly to either keep me calmer as I can get worked up easily or to help me sleep when my mind starts racing. I just
feel like females are an alien species and I don't know what's expected of me in terms of conversation or behaviour or
how to escalate. It seems to me a bit rapey to proceed regardless of even minor resistance and my wife does have a
point, I don't particularly like women. Like being the operative word here. I think most of them are utter lunatics, with
over inflated egos and I won't entertain any of that BS just for access to a damp hole.


I was just giving it a try to see if it made any difference to my behaviour with regard to making advances.

Idk bro I don't know much about medical issues and stuff like that but I hope you'll get over it successfully.

 

[rjc149]

I tried not smacking it for about 10 days last year during quarantine. I figured, I wasn't out approaching, so might as well try it out.

I generally do notice that going 3-5 days without busting does result in what feels like higher testosterone-- more confidence and assertiveness at work, deeper voice, more focus and productivity, less social anxiety, etc.

It's only natural to believe that going longer would provide more benefits.

After a week, I started becoming easily distracted by sexual thoughts and day dreams. Focus on work turned to focus on sex. Looking at any photograph of a female, even professional headshots on Linkedin, became distracting. I then became highly irritable and short with people. I felt an actual ache in my lower abdomen when I willed away the constant boners. It was an itch that I wasn't scratching, and it became more and more annoying.

So maybe I'm weak and didn't have the willpower and desire to go Nofap. Or maybe, reading up on the body of scientific evidence which soundly debunks long-term Nofap from a biochemical standpoint made me realize I was putting myself through this for nothing.

Again -- if you see tangible benefits from it, do it. And again -- short-term abstinence from masturbation, and the complete cessation of ejaculation for very long periods of time, are two different approaches.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

If you actually read that chinese study from 2003 you would know it only increases TESTORONE at the 7th day mark, after that it returns to normal

I did read the study like 8 years ago. IIRC, it was published in 2003 (18 years ago), had a small sample size, and high standard deviations. The conclusions mean nothing. That’s another reason why I said there’s not enough data and why you can’t just blatantly disregard anecdotes, as there are too many of them to just discount.

Watching porn does not equal fapping, the two are not mutually exclusive. You can fap without Porn.

Here are some actual studies that show the benefits of masturbation

A 2003 study demonstrated that men who ejaculated more than five times each week during their 20s were one third less likely to develop aggressive prostate cancer than those who ejaculated less often.

Researchers speculate that the reduced risk was because frequent ejaculation may prevent the build-up of cancer-causing agents in the prostate gland.

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It's funny how you ignore actual studies showing the benefits of regular masturbation and instead use Anecdotes To further fuel your own confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias: the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.

This is not the same thing; you cannot compare ejaculation and masturbation (esp with porn) and say that they’re the same. Apples and oranges situation here, you guys have to understand that. If we’re gonna get into some real science, you lot should know that prolactin decreases testosterone in men, and that orgasms cause a massive spike in prolactin. But this is well beyond the scope of what you guys ever looked into.

You’re talking yourself in circles in this grand effort to be a troll. Thanks for the input, little guy, but adults are talking here.

What the research indicates

*Claims research says XYZ*
*Doesn't post any research*
*Proceeds to call me a troll*

#SmallBrain

You guys aren’t even on my level lmfao

 

[forcerecon01]

I went a year with nofap. I got blueballs from it. Thats all i got though I think

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

You could also ask what possible benefit cheeseburgers bring you, or potato chips, or whiskey -- none. The intrinsic benefits are far outweighed by the hazards. Cheeseburgers, potato chips and whiskey are unnecessary for sustenance and are all bad for your health, in any amount. But the negative health impacts of moderate consumption are negligible compared to the ancillary benefits they bring -- namely, they are pleasurable. They taste good and make you feel good. They are enjoyable.

Junk food and alcohol have utterly destroyed the lives of millions -- or is it, rather, that millions of people have destroyed their lives with junk food and alcohol?

Is porn itself a bad thing? Or is misuse of porn the bad thing?

I don't think there's anything wrong with porn, sex work, or anything in the sexual entertainment industry involving consenting adults. Interest in porn is 100% perfectly natural and human, as is the indulgence in luxuries and other pleasurable pursuits.

And no, porn is not like crack, heroin or any other chemically addictive intoxicant that destroys your body. That's a totally hyperbolic comparison.

Junk food still provides nutrition and energy, and alcohol does have actually have modest benefits including stress reduction; in small amounts it MAY be a net benefit to consume it. You can also make the case that many drugs have benefits that outweigh the costs.

Porn itself is not bad (especially pre-internet porn) but our modern high speed, streaming, free internet porn is inherently harmful and toxic by nature.

Also, porn is absolutely comparible to hardcore drugs in terms of its devastating effects on the brain. There are neurological studies proving it and in fact straight up state it as a fact; that wasn't merely a statement I made for the sake of argument.

 

[rjc149]

You guys aren’t even on my level lmfao

No, we're not. At least we all agree on that.

Of course, when you're ready to stop posing and flailing your little arms around for attention, you can come up and join us in civil discussion. Bygones will be bygones.

 

[forcerecon01]

Junk food still provides nutrition and energy, and alcohol does have actually have modest benefits including stress reduction in small amounts. You can even make the case that many drugs have benefits that outweigh the costs.

Porn itself is not bad (especially pre-internet porn) but our modern high speed, streaming, free internet porn is inherently harmful and toxic by nature.

Also, porn is absolutely comparible to hardcore drugs. There are neurological studies proving it; that wasn't merely a statement I made for the sake of argument.

porn and drugs are the same . Wow

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

That's pretty close to the truth, I don't like being touched by anybody at all. I find the female form stimulating when
it's just an image on a screen but dealing with the real thing is very confusing for me. The woman I married pursued
me from the outset, we'd have never gotten together at all if it had been left to me to make an advance. Honestly? I
fap mostly to either keep me calmer as I can get worked up easily or to help me sleep when my mind starts racing. I just
feel like females are an alien species and I don't know what's expected of me in terms of conversation or behaviour or
how to escalate. It seems to me a bit rapey to proceed regardless of even minor resistance and my wife does have a
point, I don't particularly like women. Like being the operative word here. I think most of them are utter lunatics, with
over inflated egos and I won't entertain any of that BS just for access to a damp hole.

Well do you want to change? Like REALLY want to change, I mean. Cuz this is something that’s nigh on impossible to do otherwise. I’m talking about removing the aspies, because that’s where this thing is really heading.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

No, we're not. At least we all agree on that.

Of course, when you're ready to stop posing and flailing your little arms around for attention, you can come up and join us in civil discussion. Bygones will be bygones.

Stop getting salty just because I called you a cuck and a degenerate lol no matter what you say, those are still degenerate and cuck behaviors. Everyone knows it, it’s just a matter of how much in denial you are.