Originally posted by Persephone
[...][ Marriage (read: culturally sanctioned reproductive sex) was a "foul and polluted way of life."
This means that if you're going to be true to the core values behind the idea that male masturbation is bad, then you shouldn't be ejaculating at all, and if you're so spineless and wimpy that you must, it should be into an unprotected vag*na.
Actually, you are the first to quote this. Nobody else founded their desire to abstain from masturbation on this. The point is to stop masturbating so you'll be hornier and more motivated to have sex with a girl since she is your only outlet - meanwhile, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Here's another thought, too. In a rush to define "masculine" as merely "the opposite of feminine," we may be returning to Jeromish thinking where male sexuality is concerned. Now that women are free to masturbate whenever they want and with anything they want, are we going to define "manliness" in part as an absence of masturbation? Am I the only one who thinks this is completely insane?
What?? A man abstaining from masturbation has nothing to do with whether or not females masturbate... once again, you are the first to bring this up. And, yes, you are the only one who thinks that.
Short of a behavioral addiction, which can develop around anything that feels good, there isn't a thing wrong with masturbation. It simply decreases tension
And the point of stopping masturbation is to prevent this decrease of sexual tension to motivate a guy to learn how to deal with actual women. If it weren't for porn, these guys would already be craving female interaction.
Masturbation is a way of coping with our constantly-on sexuality, which is a side effect of the fact that we have no mating season. Nothing more. The whole notion that male masturbation is "pathetic" is a cultural construct along the lines of the notion that orgasm in women is a sign of mental illness.
Interesting theory. Our sexuality is always-on - but is it any more so than a male dog? Or any other male mammal, for that matter? I don't see any evidence that this is the case. As far as orgasm in women being a mental illness - what the hell are you talking about? Any guy I know BRAGS about giving a girl an orgasm. There is no notion that it is a sign of mental illness. That's just feminism propaganda at work.
In the case of a behavioral addiction, it's best to address the underlying issue.
Which is not getting laid enough...
Trying to stop the behavior without doing so is like putting a butterfly bandage over a severed artery. If masturbation is interfering with the rest of your life, get help and from a reputable therapist, not from Christian websites.
The point isn't that it's interfering with your whole life... it's fvcking up your sex drive
Testosterone and sexual tension aren't bad things in and of themselves, but in combination and excess they have at least one negative side effect. They not only give your temper an unpleasant edge, they also give that temper a very short fuse. I would not want to share space with a guy who was that ragged, much less a guy whose frustration level was so high that I became little more than a pressure valve.
I see no evidence that lack of masturbation causes physical aggression and crabbiness. Besides, the point of stopping masturbation is that you replace it with actual sex, and the idea is that you still get satisfied regurlary just not by yourself.
The mere, physical act of f*cking doesn't have the same built-in, biochemical rewards for women that it does for men (we have them, they're just different), so the sort of sex machine this is going to turn you into is unlikely to appeal to anyone sane. It's also not going to help your performance in bed. Women are far, far, far more likely to get off before your d*ck goes in. A man too frustrated to tolerate foreplay isn't going to be much of a lover.
This has nothing to do with foreplay! This has to do with not masturbating, and having sex regularly! Stop assuming that we can't get laid! You are stereotyping here, as you clearly have not felt this way since your not a guy. You don't know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by Persephone
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Really, all I'm asking is that you give some thought to why you think you need to contain it at all. Do you really have a problem, or are you just suffering from a lingering bit of Jerome-induced cultural guilt? And if you do have a problem, is the masturbation a symptom or a cause? If the former, is giving it up going to accomplish anything, or will you just turn into the sexual equivalent of a dry drunk?
Problem? Guilt? Stop making this such an elevated issue. These guys want to increase their sexu drive. There is no problem.
Give up masturbation, though, and you're on your own. Might as well give up blinking. Or sleeping. At least as far as I'm concerned.
But above you talked about problems and guilt. Now it's just a part of life, an undeniable urge like that to eat. So we have to masturbate? What's wrong with relying on actual sex?
From a female perspective, a sexually wound-up man who has no outlet but his partner isn't a lot of fun to be with, in bed or out.
Have you ever been with a man who refused to masturbate? It increases his libido, and if he's having sex regularly that doesn't mean that he's more desperate and frustrated - it means he's more enthusiastic. What girl doesn't want a man who's enthusiastic about sex? Once again, you are making assumptions.
Even worse if he has moral issues because he probably has moral issues with a lot of other interesting things, but bad enough if they're just a free-floating sense of wrongness.
Nobody mentioned morality... this isn't about it being "wrong" or "bad". We don't have any hang-ups about masturbation.
After a while, one starts to feel like a place to put his d*ck when it gets hard and to put the sperm when he's done, which is not a thrill. Not to mention the rotten temper once he's dressed. Sex is a lot more fun when everybody is relaxed. So is the rest of life.
Once again, you are talking about a man with issues, not a man who simply stopped masturbating. Unless you're a slvt, in which case you are just a place for him to put his d*ck. Either get some standards or get used to it.
That, and certain amount of success with women, especially on a more casual basis, rides on being confident, relaxed and satisfied, not wired and desperate. Going into a seduction with the feeling that if you don't get laid soon your b*lls will blow up is going to raise a lot more eyebrows than skirts.
So you've tried not touching your own penis, and gone out to pick up chicks and experienced this? I didn't think so. As a man, I am aware of my sex drive, but not slave to it. I can very horny without acting desperate, although my boldness will increase as I'm more determined to release the tension. In my experience, when I'm hornier I do better with women, not worse. Horniness does not equal desperation. Good try though.
Even giving up a genuine bad habit can have unpleasant repercussions for those around you. I will pamper someone who's crabby and short-tempered because he's quit smoking. I will massage the sore muscles of someone who is trying to survive his first months in the gym. I will get experimental in the kitchen for someone who is trying to get his weight out the red zone. Give up masturbation, though, and you're on your own. Might as well give up blinking. Or sleeping. At least as far as I'm concerned.
Once again, you're picturing this frustrated, stressed-out guy who is pissed off because he can't masturbate, and I'm telling you that he doesn't exist. He doesn't need a woman's sympathy. Seriously, it's masturbation - not heroin!