Nice + indifferent is the key to attraction

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I've found that a good way to look at attraction is that you need to be a nice guy but innocent so that you don't seem like you're out to get into a girl's pants. This is difficult because in order to pull this off, you can't look like a total bullsh*tter, which means that you need to first convince yourself that the first priority is to create attraction, and nothing else. In other words, you can't ACT, you have to actually BE.

This seems to work better if you're pretty good looking, but have trouble getting women. You need to just be innocent and almost seem like you don't know that girls are attracted to you physically, then just be totally nice as far as being courteous, considerate, etc. Don't be nice as in getting on your hands and knees and doing whatever a girl tells you to do. Instead make yourself a guy who nobody can hate. Be like a lost puppy who is cute and doesn't know it's cute. This creates an air of irresistibility, since you will not only be physically attractive, but also approachable, since a girl might want to help you see the light, sort of like they want to hold a cute puppy. I'm sure girls hate guys who are too full of themselves just as much as guys hate girls who are total attention wh0res.

You can say a lot to a girl without words, by conveying things through your eyes. You need sincerity in everything you say, not some shifty-eyed player look, or worse, some lame-asS pickup line. The eyes will disarm, and after that, asking for the date is easier. Of course, I would do this in a neutral place, rather than in a club or bar. I don't like going to those places to meet women anyways, because they are all not my type of girl. I personally like to meet girls who I'd consider LTRs with, since those are usually the most quality women.

Anyways, just a thought that has seemed to work for me pretty well as of late. As in my other post below, go visit Abercrombie, and check out the women there. Go buy some clothes if you can too, usually the clothes there can make the man.
 

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Very good post, sir. I agree witih what you said. I also think that you have to go with YOUR "look". A big, muscular, but not particularly handsome looking guy has to go for that Vin Diesel look, but a guy like me has to somehow work that puppy dog cute thing. Again, good post.

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Whoa Becker, that described me almost exactly! That's my most natural, default mode: Nice and indifferent.

I've always been nice (that is, unless i'm in a long term relationship with a chick. Then i'm a ****! haha)
And as of late, i've found myself being more indifferent. The indifference used to be rooted in my desire to NOT flirt with chicks, and pick up on them, and make them uncomfortable. Now, it's more rooted in, "I don't give a F**K anymore. I'm not going to care, either way, if this chick likes me."

I do think it's very effective. Also, i'm pretty cute, so like you, it works for me.

One of the ways its NOT working for me though, is the women are so comfortable and not threatened by me, that its easy to fall into FRIEND ZONE, or they dump their emotional baggage on me. However, i've noticed my looks kind of don't put me in the FRIEND ZONE too often, cause thank God i'm lucky enough to be above average looking, so they are attracted to me right off the bat.

Thanks for the cool post, though.
 

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Interesting angle. Don't think it would work for me as I'm just barely above-average looking. But interesting nonetheless...
 

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Hmmm, not so sure.

Indifferent, yes. Courteous and considerate, yes. Also original, funny, confident, etc, yes. However, I don't think the attraction will last very long if you're not trying to get into her pants. She is expecting you to at least try to get into her pants.
 

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MisterAl,

Yes, i've definitely noticed that too. (that it seems as if i'm not interested in them s*xually.) That's one of the things you have to worry about with the indifferent, or Tao of Steve technique of picking up chicks.

I never know when to bust out of the indifference and make a move. It just happened to me last week, where i was being indifferent, and just friendly with this chick for a couple days. It went NOWHERE, and then i realized she might be losing interest, so i tried to be more forward and flirty. Too late. She NEXTed me.

I say you be indifferent for a little bit, maybe a date or two, or just hang out as friends, THEN when they start to think you are Mr. Friend, THEN you bust out with a little C+F, or flirting, or kino.
You do the indifferent thing just long enough to stand out from the rest of the crowd, then BAMM - make your move.
 

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Interesting. How about something for people who weren't lucky enough to be good looking. :rolleyes: If I was that good looking I wouldn't have needed this site.
 

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I'd suggest busting out with the kino right away. I don't think indifference means ruling out kino. The kino should be conversational, but you're going to pick up on her reaction to it. Does she mirror your touching by touching you back on the shoulder or arm, or does she pull back?

I have failed to keep the girl every time I did not have a high romantic note going by the end of the second date. By this I mean at least an open-mouth kiss when you drop her off. Past girlfriends were usually drooling for it by then because I wasn't moving.

In fact, funny story... At the end of my _first_ date with my current girlfriend, I open-mouth kissed her and grabbed her ass when I dropped her off at her door, all because some other girl had the balls to call me a "nice guy" on our first date three days prior. My girl was shocked and called me "aggressive." I took it as a compliment and grinned. Yeah, she calls me to ask me out now, thank you sosuave.com.. :D
 

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I agree that at some point you need to show a little more flirtiness, or you can sort of just throw it in at different points. I tend to be indifferent, but my actions show a somewhat flirty side, but I make it seem very innocent, like I don't know I'm flirting (sometimes I really don't, and girls take it as flirting, go figure). I think that it's because different people respond differently to different behavior. What might seem flirty to one person may not be flirty to another, and it depends on what attracts the other person.

For example, if I'm sarcastic, and that's a quality that a girl's sense of humor can relate to, then it will work as flirty behavior, even if you don't mean it. However, if they don't respond to sarcasm that well (a girl I know now doesn't seem to respond much to sarcastic humor), then it can be a turn-off or at best, behavior that doesn't seem like you're flirting. It's all in how the girl perceives it and responds.
 

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Flyguy,

I would definitely recommend lots of ****y + Funny then. Kino as well. If you have to compete with better looking guys, (and we know that women are superficial creatures, and go for good looking guys...) then you have to find some things to overcome all these dudes with. Maybe hunky boy has just looks going for him. Chicks will talk to him cause he's good looking, and he might not be entertaining or interesting.

I say that when you get a chick around that you are interested in, wow her with your killer personality. ****y and Funny, and she will think, "damn, this dude isn't as good looking as hunky boy, but he sure is confident in himself!! He must have something women want! I'm intrigued..."

And you will be the dude that listens to them more than egomaniac hunky guy, who just wants to talk about himself. They will feel more appreciated and listened to when you are attentive to them.


I REALLY think women love to be entertained. You can't bore them. So, once they get past that you aren't a BRAD PITT, if you make her laugh, smile, blush, think, talk, and listen, then you will grab her by the brain - moreso than hunky punk who just grabs her eyes.

Oh, and lift weights. Chicks love muscles.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Originally posted by stormwriter
Whoa Becker, that described me almost exactly! That's my most natural, default mode: Nice and indifferent.

I've always been nice (that is, unless i'm in a long term relationship with a chick. Then i'm a ****! haha)
And as of late, i've found myself being more indifferent. The indifference used to be rooted in my desire to NOT flirt with chicks, and pick up on them, and make them uncomfortable. Now, it's more rooted in, "I don't give a F**K anymore. I'm not going to care, either way, if this chick likes me."

I do think it's very effective. Also, i'm pretty cute, so like you, it works for me.

One of the ways its NOT working for me though, is the women are so comfortable and not threatened by me, that its easy to fall into FRIEND ZONE, or they dump their emotional baggage on me. However, i've noticed my looks kind of don't put me in the FRIEND ZONE too often, cause thank God i'm lucky enough to be above average looking, so they are attracted to me right off the bat.

Thanks for the cool post, though.
stormwriter, I'm glad to see that people understood my post and can relate. Anyways, I definitely think that some good looking guys just like to stand there and wait for girls to approach them. When they do, they don't have much to say, and the whole buildup just fizzles.

It's so important to be somewhat charismatic, and this can be done by being sort of a little oblivious as to what you're doing. I remember that a former GF would sometimes just suddenly get all turned on by some random thing I was doing, such as how I would count off on my fingers starting with my pinky instead of my index finger. I mean, it was literally that random. Doing things that make you seem cute without making it seem like you're just trying to be cute sometimes turns a girl on. I guess the reason why is that it's spontaneous, and if someone tries too hard to be cute, it's too obvious I guess.

Another girl I remember in college would be all over me because I refused to drink alcohol, and all my friends were all over this girl and were more than willing to do it. I was an athlete and was pretty strict as to my diet. Anyways, I didn't refuse drinking so that I could get this girl, I was just following a strict diet, but for some reason, I became a challenge inadvertently, because the girl would try to seduce me but I'd be innocently dodging her advances. The rest of my friends were always inviting this girl out and would do anything she wanted, but none of them even got anywhere with her. I guess that's the type of stuff I'm talking about. Sometimes it works to not follow the crowd I guess. You become a rebel or more independent and confident because you don't care what other people think about you.

A bit of a warning is that don't try this if it's possible you might give in, because then you lose that aura and begin to look like a pushover, which is not attractive. Be prepared to stand behind any convictions you have, and the more you do that, the more of a challenge you seem to become.
 

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Check out my experience with being indifferent to a chick over Instant Messenger a couple weeks ago. We hadn't met in real life yet. She is redlightening, and she's testing me (i failed i think, but oh well, i met her and she was chunky and not my type...):

redlightening (1:59:01 PM): so you are looking to meet someone special and not so much into JUST playing...

redlightening (1:59:23 PM): I guess I just ask because you give the impression that you are super indifferent....

nevermore97006 (1:59:36 PM): hold on i will answer

(Cameron realizes he's being tested. Tries to think of best answer...)

redlightening (2:01:26 PM): indifference can be sexy or really frustrating...I guess I get the impression you are super real..you don't just put out this social artifice and that's refreshing....

redlightening (2:02:15 PM): but still you are reserved in many senses and that's sort of contradictory...you've got me hooked, confused and intrigued all at once...

nevermore97006 (2:04:04 PM): yes, true

nevermore97006 (2:04:19 PM): I just have a (pardon this word) I dont give a f*ck attitude anymore.

nevermore97006 (2:04:38 PM): im not placing excessive meaning on anything. I'm not going to get my heart set on anything or anyone

redlightening (2:04:48 PM): ok..that clarifies things...
redlightening (2:04:52 PM): that's a shame
redlightening (2:04:58 PM): you're missing out sweetie

(Cameron blows it, and gets pissed)

nevermore97006 (2:05:18 PM): a shame? ok.
nevermore97006 (2:05:59 PM): OK, so im supposed to get all excited cause i'm talking to a stranger over instant messenger, and get all eager beever about it?

The point of this was to show you what this woman said to me about being indifferent. That was cool to hear.
 
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I'm not convinced that personality will get you laid. Also if I listen to them more than the jerk I end up getting LJBF'd. But most of that is stuff I already practice.
 

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I think that it's personality and looks of course, not just personality, but as far as LTRs go, the right personality is the key.
 

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I consider myself average-looking and I think indifference works best when you are competing (or not competing) with better-looking guys. If you overdue the ****y and funny routine, then it may seem like you are trying too hard to compensate for your lack of looks. Indifference shows that you don't care if the girl is lusting over the studs because you don't think she's all that to begin with. Women pick up on this. My only problem is making a smooth transition from indifferent to interested once you know she's attracted to you. How can this be done without it seeming like you were putting her on the whole time?
 

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The way I see indifference, it's important not to come off like some ****y guy who thinks he's God's gift to women. I do it by convincing myself that I'm not interested in the girl, and then going from there. This means that basically, you tease her, talk to her, flirt with her as though she's the one interested in you but you're not interested in her. This way, you are showing that you're not cold and distant and just sitting there waiting for HER to make a move on you or something like that.
 
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