Nexted another chick who wouldn't put out on the first date

[flashpoint]

LMR and fail. maybe she has done that in the past and she has felt like a slvt afterwards, so she got a little conscious about it. just lay back and make her comfortable enough to proceed. of course the ultimate test in this situation is, when you get all horny and all of a sudden the music stops. that is a lot of frustration you have to deal with and playin it right is not easy under this circumstances. cant always win.

i just wouldnt try to rationalize it because if it becomes a pattern then you might have less suxxess than you are supposed to. or worse as others have said, you ll only get the easy real slvts that bring all kind of trouble with them (like whoring around).

 

[Purefilth]

It's not about letting a girl dictate things. Tht would obviously be wrong. But girls will test you! You can't just cop out and leave when things don't go your way. It's not like she wouldn't kiss him or hold his hand or what ever. He got with her in a bar!

Anyone who NEXT's a girl because she won't sleep with him on a first date is severely limiting his game. Doesn't make any sense to me!

-GGTW

I have a few times, but as i was working in a bar, I had a lot of options, it depends on how many you have on the back - burner, if a man has a code and sticks to it, then he is true to himself

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Dang, This is radical.

Props to you for being able to actually next a chick on a first date because she doesn't want sex. But to be honest with you if I went on a date with a chick I am not expecting sex the first date. She has within 3 dates (PBAJ's 72 hour rule).

The reason it was so easy for you to next her was because this girl didn't meet your standards for you to take out on a date. You should have just asked her to the crib. If I get a cute girls number I don't take them out. If the girl is bad however, I'll take her out and start my 3 date clock on her.

Don't waste money on a 6. Only spend money on 8+ and make it minimal.

 

[TRSX]

Im pretty sure someone who is good in bed and not a complete slvt will not put out on the first date.

Sorry, I have standards - I like women but a slvt is kind of a turn off for me. As much as I love them chasing me, i enjoy the chase a bit too.

 

[Purefilth]

Lots of options are great. But why NEXT them one-by-one if they don't comply with some flawed "man-code"?

I agree that a man needs to be true to himself. But perhaps he must modify his "code" to get better results. Imagine what could happen on the 2nd or 3rd dates, etc. It makes NO SENSE to NEXT a girl if she doesn't sleep with you on the first date!

-GGTW

You misunderstand, I was agreeing that if zarky lives by this code then it is his right to do so. I just mentioned that i have done the same, mainly because i was getting at least 3-4 numbers EVERY saturday night, so if they didnt put out, it was no issue, i just called the next girl, and the last was forgotten about. nowadays i dont have this amount of numbers coming regularly, and im quite happy to wait a few dates if thats what it takes.

 

[Solomon]

There's no way I could wait that long.
Doing the math, 19 out of the 33 chicks I've boned have happened on the first date. That's well more than half. There are an additional 7 I boned on the second date. Added together, that's 26 out of 33 chicks, or almost 80% of chicks I've boned within the first 2 dates. If the girl is a 9-10, I'll wait two dates (maybe.) Anything less and it's one date or bye bye.

If you know what your doing you don't have to wait that long mate!

The girls that I usually wait a month for are the quality ones I end up in LTR's with. I make them think that its their idea when it's mine. If I don't wait at least a month I lose interest.

Last night I boned a chick on the first "date' (wasn't a date she came to my house, and within an hour and half I was drilling her like a drill bit searching for oil) I'm already bored, what's next?

Here is all there is to really say about this. The quality of girls you are dating must be super super low. Because I can absolutely 100000000% promise you that if you were on a first date with a Megan Fox or a Kate Upton lookalike, or were out with a hot 28 year old Doctor? And you and her were making out and all over each other? And she would do everything but have sex? And she wanted a second date? You would be alllllllllll over going out with her again.

The fact is you are being this picky because the quality of girl you are choosing to date is low quality, which probably also explains why many of these girls do sleep with you on the first date.

Also, in reading your last post. You definitely have some control issues. You seem very controlling and possessive. I could see this causing problems if you ever get into a relationship again. You are 37 right? I don't know if you were married before or what, but I would bet a million that you feel as though you have been hurt deeply in the past by women, and this is your way of "getting back at them".

^^This, a quality girl isn't gonna give it to you right away, the biggest hyprocisy is game guys complaning of lack of qulaity women yet want a woman to be a slut. It doesn' always work both ways.I think Rollo has a saying

"every man wants a woman to be his slut"

 

[Zarky]

Thanks for all the replies guys.

I think part of the reason I dump chicks if they don't put out on the first date is because I'm already dating three chicks.. one long term (years+), one medium term (7 months) and one short term (1 month). I recently dumped another chick I got with on the first date and also had a ONS in the past month.

TBH, if I didn't have those options, I probably wouldn't be quite as ruthless. In leaner times I've gone 2-3 dates before sex without a big problem. These days though I just don't have the time or the interest.

Here's another thing... I don't really mind having "sluts" as "girlfriends." Because to me a girlfriend is going to be part of my harem anyway and they really don't last, at the longest, more than a couple years.

I don't particularly care if they're screwing other guys, as long as they don't tell me about it.

And finally.. to those who said this chick wasn't all that great.. you're right. She had a nice bod but a meh face and was a bit of a nerd. She was also taller than I usually like (I like petite chicks). So yeah, if it had been Scarlet Johansen or someone I would have waited at least till the second date to dump her

Frankly I do almost 100% of my dating online, and as we all know, online chicks are 6s at best. Rarely, very rarely will there be a 7 and in a decade of online dating I think I've gone out with (and boned) two 8s (and they were both utterly awful in bed for some reason.)

So yeah.. but here's the thing.. even if you personally think it would be "ridiculous" to dump a girl who doesn't put out on the first date.. it's all relative. Some guys might wait a year. Some guys may only want ONSs. To each their own. I just wish we, as men, could up the ante and make chicks put out quicker and easier. :rockon:

 

[pdx1138]

well, now that you've given the full perspective, your strategy makes more sense.

good job.

 

[Trump]

if I went on a date with a chick I am not expecting sex the first date. She has within 3 dates.

Lol. Best and funniest thing I've heard all week.

24 hours is no problem but another 48 hours it's over?

 

[zekko]

Is this one of those girls you got off of Plenty of Fish? Because it REALLY seems harsh to dump a girl for not having sex the very first time she meets you in real life. But like you say, it's your life to do with as you please.

And what is it are you exactly looking for? A relationship or a ONS?

Apologies if I'm wrong, but if I understand Zarky correctly, he is definitely not looking to get into a relationship.

24 hours is no problem but another 48 hours it's over?

As I understand the 72 hour rule in pickup terms, it means 72 hours of time spent together.

 

[bigneil]

A woman will always be a slut at the right moment, with the right guy.

It might as well be you. I enjoy thinking of all the hearts she's breaking when I'm with her, because then I pay my dues.

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

I got two 72 hour rules.

1.) A girl has 72 hours of dating until she has to give me sex. (Three dates; Third date must be sexual and if we meetup for a fourth time it has to be at the crib)

I had to apply this rule only once in my life. I dated a chick last month. We had 3 dates and then she drove to the spot. No sex...... Last time I seen her. She still calls but I am distant. If she calls and comes to the crib she can come. But I ain't bout to drive or spend money on her. (Thanks JRoc for the advice.)

2.) The 72 Hour Rule for chicks with boyfriends. You find out a chick has a boyfriend then you have 72 hours from when you find out to get her to the house. You got to bone her as soon as possible before she starts to think and feel bad.

 

[Senzoi]

It's not about letting a girl dictate things. Tht would obviously be wrong. But girls will test you! You can't just cop out and leave when things don't go your way. It's not like she wouldn't kiss him or hold his hand or what ever. He got with her in a bar!

Anyone who NEXT's a girl because she won't sleep with him on a first date is severely limiting his game. Doesn't make any sense to me!

-GGTW

It doesn't make sense to you primarily because you are not in a position to afford being able to reject women who don't put out on the first date.

Zarky, meanwhile, is in that position. That is the difference between you two.

~ Senzoi

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Went out with a new chick tonight. We had some wine then made out in a bar. 6 face, 8 body. I was feeling her up and she gave me some line about the fact that she and her friend "pinky swore" that they would never have sex on the first date. Even though she clearly had had sex on the first date before, and in reality was a bit of a tramp. This woman is 38 years old.

Well, good old Zarky doesn't play second fiddle to any other douchebag. If a girl is slutty enough to bang other dudes on the first date, she's slutty enough to bang me on the first date. And if she doesn't, that's a big enough red flag that it's a next, with no redemption.

So I wrote in a text...

"[Her name], I had a really great time with you tonight. You're smart and sexy. There's only one difficulty... remember how you said that you and your friend pinky swore that you would never have sex on the first date? Well, my friend and I pinky swore that if sex didn't happen on the first date, there would be no second date."

Obviously my friend and I never did anything of the sort, but she can understand the point. That's where I draw the line. As far as I'm concerned, every chick in southern california over the age of 25 has boned some dude on the first date. If she doesn't do it with me, that means she's setting me up to control the relationship through sexuality. I will not tolerate that.

It's not so much the sex, it's the attempt at control. I will not be controlled.

And I think that's the whole concept behind "sh*t tests"... control. Betas are men who are ok with being controlled. Alphas, not so much. It's a natural aversion. Not saying I'm an alpha because I think there's more to it, but the element of control is a big part.

EDIT:

In my attempts to always improve, I know now that I should have really nipped that in the bud like right away, the whole "pinky swear" thing. What I did was a bit passive-aggressive... I should have immediately done a takeaway and blown out the whole "no sex on the first date" thing. I think I could have done it and been successful. Just not taken that line of BS. Instead I tried to use kino and got as far as a makeout and feel-up, but had I gone evil on her and called her on that BS, I think it would have worked.

This post smells of nothing other than resentment towards women in general. The only thing that you are doing is guaranteeing that you never have a relationship with a girl who is not a complete hor.

Sleeping with a man on the first date is NOT normal for a woman. It is not built into their psyche. That's not how a female mind operates. A girl who strays from her feminine nature and does sleep with a man on the first date has emotional & psychological issues that allow her to do so.

Do you want to challenge this position? Show me a "normal" stripper or porn star who isn't unbalanced, bipolar, manic depressive, etc, etc ,etc.

Like the old saying goes, a man wants a hor in the bedroom and a woman in the kitchen. You just can't have it both ways.

It is one or the other folks.

 

[Zarky]

^^^^^ Did you read any posts other than the first one before you responded?

A girl who strays from her feminine nature and does sleep with a man on the first date has emotional & psychological issues that allow her to do so.

Then almost every single woman in LA has emotional and psychological issues LOL, because almost every one I've talked with over the age of 25 has either had a ONS or slept with a guy on the first date at some point in their lives.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

^^^^^ Did you read any posts other than the first one before you responded?


Then almost every single woman in LA has emotional and psychological issues LOL, because almost every one I've talked with over the age of 25 has either had a ONS or slept with a guy on the first date at some point in their lives.

Stop approaching girls because they have tons of makeup on and you think they're hot and look for a girl who isn't decked out like a total hor. You might find a different type of girl then.

But LA is a different beast altogether. Tons of aimless "aspiring" artists, actresses, models, etc who have been used and abused by the system.

Keep fishing in the same pond and you will catch the same fish. That's all I have to say about your sweeping generalization of millions of women.

 

[d!ckmojo]

TillTheEndOfTime sounds like a chick, godsgifttowomen sounds like a beta with a scarcity mentality... Zarky sounds like a Demon Sex-Lord

 

[EastWind]

The issue of control through sex doesn't come up in the beginning of the relationship. It generally comes up during the relationship. You need to establish that sex is NOT high on your priority list in order to prevent her from controlling you through it. You cannot do that on a first date. You have to do it through actual sexual experience with the person in question.

This.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I was feeling her up and she gave me some line about the fact that she and her friend "pinky swore" that they would never have sex on the first date.

This reads like an episode of Hannah Montana, until...

This woman is 38 years old.

Take note gentlemen, ZARKY just demonstrated the correct countermeasure for a woman's Filibuster.
In just one brief exchange we've determined that:

1. Zarky was dealing with a 38 y.o. woman who still relies on an Adolescent Social Skill Set.
2. The woman is in a very late phase of life to sell herself as someone a long-term provider should respect and qualify himself for.
3. This is further evidenced by the woman's behavior of making out with and petting a man in a bar, yet insisting on no sex after that arousal and foreplay under the auspices of vetting for a proper man (see; beta provider chump interested in holding out for used up 38 year old women relying on cutesy middle-school stalling tactics)

I always enjoy reading threads based on scenarios like this, because you can tell who the closeted white knights are on Sosuave. It's like shinning a florescent light on the sheets in the dark to see the blood and the cüm stains anytime there's some surreptitious NEXTing of a girl. It's the surrest indicator of a scarcity mentality when guy's get upset at another guy throwing back a fish they'd never release.

It kills me how guys agonize and analyze over the correct vetting process for women, but let a guy preemptively NEXT a woman and it's "what're you ƒucken doin' man? you coulda made that work, maybe she was just worried about ASD?" They think you're throwing the baby out with the bath water.

 

[Zarky]

TillTheEndOfTime sounds like a chick

I got that same impression, weird.

It kills me how guys agonize and analyze over the correct vetting process for women, but let a guy preemptively NEXT a woman and it's "what're you ƒucken doin' man?

Yeah it's interesting to see. If they're willing to wait for a fairly average 38 year old who undoubtedly boned plenty of dudes in short order to send them packing without putting out, then they can do that. I'm not. I have another first date tonight with another chick. I'm dropping acid with and banging a 1-month rel'p this weekend. I have another first date on Tuesday, and another two as yet unscheduled for next week. Plus I've got to service my LTR and my MTR, who I screwed last night and will be cooking me dinner, next week. Those are options.

However, I did make a mistake in this interaction. I don't think it would have changed anything ultimately, but it would have had the potential to.

Instead of being all passive about it and waiting to tell her my OWN "rule" when I got home, I should have said it right there and then.

HER: I have a personal rule that I don't sleep with men on the first date.
ME: That's interesting, I have a personal rule that I don't go out with a girl a second time unless there's hot sex the first time.

Then she has had the opportunity to re-asses her "rule" right there. It wouldn't have been a "next" so much as "upping the ante." Next time I'll do this and see what happens. I hope I don't have to do it tonight, this new chick texted me this afternoon and said:

"I get off at 6 and will be free the rest of the night."

So...