I ran across this old thread and thought I'd bump it. Way too interesting to let die.
When I look at my original response to Don Phenom's questions it makes me laugh a bit. Oh well, that was my level of experience at that time, as limited as it was.
PDX said how he tires of the "Don Juan" notion and I'd have to agree with him. "DJ this" and "DJ that" does get played out. However I still use the terms like "AFC" and "DJ", with quotations, just to stay within the conventional theme of the forum. Heck, lets face it, its those terms that make this website so popular in the first place.
When posting it helps to use terms like those so "newbies" can more easily accept the advice, even with as limiting and unrealistic as those terms may be. Like it or not, this is why Anti-Dump was so influential. He eloquently spoke the "newbie" language, which can be an effective tool if used correctly.
I think that once newcomers get enough real world experience, they eventually grow out of parroting "AFC" and "DJ" all the time. They also stop following rules.
The reason I say this is because at the time this thread was originally posted, many of us (myself included) were at a stage when we were following the rules, had achieved some success with the opposite sex, got overconfident, and thought we were ready to promote ourselves to this mythic "Next Level". Basically, we were still "RAFCs",...at least I was.
At the time I thought that "Don Juan" held the secret to becoming attractive to women. I now know that "Don Juan" is nothing more than a highly effective marketing tool. But that's not an insult to Allen. For if it wasn't for "Don Juan", alot of us wouldn't be here.
In retrospect, we were obviously guilty of looking for more rules to follow, for up to that point we *thought* that our so-called "success" came from the rules we so blindly adhered to. Again, this stemmed from an ever present fear of failure. But with more experience, most of us outgrew the notion of a "Next Level".
What do I belive now?
Like the others stated, there is no "Next Level" when it comes to attracting women. Its binary logic, 1 or 0. You either get her panties wet or you don't. Your rate of "success" depends on how well you apply the information that this site provides to get her panties wet. However each poster has a different notion of what "success" is, thus there cannot exist any universal "Next Level" that applies to everyone.
I do believe, however, that there is a Next Level when it comes to personal growth, which should explain my signature. But thats not what this site is about, so I'll save that topic for Anything Else.
When I look at my original response to Don Phenom's questions it makes me laugh a bit. Oh well, that was my level of experience at that time, as limited as it was.
PDX said how he tires of the "Don Juan" notion and I'd have to agree with him. "DJ this" and "DJ that" does get played out. However I still use the terms like "AFC" and "DJ", with quotations, just to stay within the conventional theme of the forum. Heck, lets face it, its those terms that make this website so popular in the first place.
When posting it helps to use terms like those so "newbies" can more easily accept the advice, even with as limiting and unrealistic as those terms may be. Like it or not, this is why Anti-Dump was so influential. He eloquently spoke the "newbie" language, which can be an effective tool if used correctly.
I think that once newcomers get enough real world experience, they eventually grow out of parroting "AFC" and "DJ" all the time. They also stop following rules.
The reason I say this is because at the time this thread was originally posted, many of us (myself included) were at a stage when we were following the rules, had achieved some success with the opposite sex, got overconfident, and thought we were ready to promote ourselves to this mythic "Next Level". Basically, we were still "RAFCs",...at least I was.
At the time I thought that "Don Juan" held the secret to becoming attractive to women. I now know that "Don Juan" is nothing more than a highly effective marketing tool. But that's not an insult to Allen. For if it wasn't for "Don Juan", alot of us wouldn't be here.
In retrospect, we were obviously guilty of looking for more rules to follow, for up to that point we *thought* that our so-called "success" came from the rules we so blindly adhered to. Again, this stemmed from an ever present fear of failure. But with more experience, most of us outgrew the notion of a "Next Level".
What do I belive now?
Like the others stated, there is no "Next Level" when it comes to attracting women. Its binary logic, 1 or 0. You either get her panties wet or you don't. Your rate of "success" depends on how well you apply the information that this site provides to get her panties wet. However each poster has a different notion of what "success" is, thus there cannot exist any universal "Next Level" that applies to everyone.
I do believe, however, that there is a Next Level when it comes to personal growth, which should explain my signature. But thats not what this site is about, so I'll save that topic for Anything Else.