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Never Having to Say You're Sorry

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Hey guys,
from time to time I get emails that are exceptional. They really speak strongly on an issue that so many men have experienced. I'm subscribed to Deangelo's, Michael W, and Dr. Paul's newsletters. They are always enlightening.

As some of you may know, I'm a big fan of Dr. Paul Dobransky. So much of what he says resonates with me strongly, but he's able to explain these concepts I have in my head and my perspective in such a clear, logical way,that I understand myself even better now, and the principles and beliefs I have had for a long time that have always benefitted me. I hope that you value and appreciate his insight, and the skill he has in explaining it clearly. He gets right to the point.
I hope it helps you understand yourself better.

He's been featured on David Deangelo's videos and is a well known, and respected authority in not only psychology, but in the seduction communities and masculine empowerment as well.


The following is one of his Newsletter emails:

Dr. Paul Dobransky

Never Having to Say You're Sorry


Hi Guys,

They say "love means never having to say you're sorry."

Let's think about this even beyond the context of a relationship with a woman, though I am sure that even the most solid men out there could use some keen attention to this concept.

Some of you may know that while my friend Mystery was in town this weekend with his friends from his VH-1 tv show, I threw in a little brotherly help and went out with them and their students, and did a 2 hour presentation to his clients on "being a man."

One of his buddies is named JDog, a great guy too, and after it was all over, I was chatting with him on the street on the way to Starbucks to write you this. He's a Briton, and I got to thinking how many in British culture are exceptionally polite and genteel.

The frequently cited description of actor Hugh Grant as the epitome of British "self-effacing humor" comes to mind. In this case of enculturation, you're not talking about people with terrible personal boundary problems and an external locus of control - the tendency for immature guys to let others tell them how to feel, think and act, or what their worth. You're just talking about a cultural force of habit - a way of communicating with people.

Cut to American culture then - the same thing goes on. We get trained at school to be very careful what people think of us. Might get sent to the principal's office if we dress too strangely, say something off the wall in class (perhaps just being creative, not hostile), and virtually all the media we encounter since a young age tells us that it's somehow not right or politically correct to be a man, or to use man-language. Off-color humor, sarcastically teasing each other to assess boundary strength in our friends, and calling bad behavior as we see it in women (or other men for that matter), is often depicted as "mean" or "rude" or even offensive.

At the same time we see the archetype of a man often depicted as a Homer Simpson, bumbling idiot type.

So at a very young age we learn to say "I'm sorry."

You could get hurt if you don't, or at least a bad grade, detention, excluded from the surrounding group or culture, and later on in life, fired or broken up with over small emergence of how you really, honestly see the world as a man.

What if you thought about the nature of being a man in terms of those words, "I'm sorry."

What if being a man - not just a man in love, but a man who knows who he is and what he is becoming - in some way depends on NEVER SAYING YOU'RE SORRY?

But many of you will say there is a time and place for an apology. We do need to be able to do so.

ONLY in the situation where we have purposely done wrong and know it. In the mindOS ecourse we call that GUILT.

We need guilt in order to see the errors of our ways and correct it. Yet, after doing so, there is NO further purpose or usefulness to HARBORING guilt any longer.

How many of you go around all "guilty" not for hours or days, but literally months or YEARS after you sense that you have done something wrong, AND have long corrected and atoned for the "sin?"

What's worse, as humans, both men and women tend to really need a sense of control over the world around us - to feel safe, to know our place, and to plan for a future that has more certainty than uncertainty in it. When something entirely out of our control suddenly appears - a girlfriend who breaks up for no apparent reason, a job loss, a health problem, a natural disaster even - we all go looking for some reason that it MUST HAVE BEEN OUR FAULT.

Why do we do that? Because at least, even when tragedy happens, at least we can somehow feel WE were in CONTROL of it all along.

WE APOLOGIZE.

And it's a comfortable illusion to put salve on the wounds of all that we don't control.

As I teach you in the mindOS material - the SECOND edition of the ecourse, and the soon to be released, remastered, professionally filmed mindOS CDs and DVDs - learning about personal boundaries shows us how to let go of trying to control things we don't, getting ourselves behind the steering wheel of our lives - through an INTERNAL Locus of Control, and therefore being the ones to determine what we say, do, think, feel, and ultimately what we're worth.

I sometimes enjoy sitting in on the seminars of other speakers or even helping them out by being a guest speaker or coach. And one of the things I saw about the guys who came to Mystery's seminar was that they were just hungry as Hell for some precise how-to knowledge about BEING A MAN. That, on TOP of being more effective with women.

It's not just guys at this particular seminar, but ALL seminars I've been to.

So I thought about what common thing I notice guys going around doing. What SUBTLE thing do they do that they themselves don't even notice?

On this particular occasion, what stood out to me was un-called-for, unnecessary APOLOGIES. Not just in words, but in how a guy stands, sits, uses body language, and you can just see it in his face.

I'M SORRY, it says.

And I don't think that message so many guys RADIATE is just a problem of their boundary skill or personal growth. I really think there is a little something to the culture we surround ourselves with.

You're out in a social venue and some random woman with too much to drink jumps in your way without looking to see who's right next to her. YOU say YOU'RE SORRY.

You're out there talking to a woman who has her ring hand in her pocket and another guy walks up - her husband - GLARING at you. YOU say YOU'RE SORRY.

You go to dinner with good friends who know you well, and know that you don't make NEARLY the money they make. You tell them so. They INSIST you come along. You can't really afford to tip. YOU say YOU'RE SORRY.

You work your butt off at your job, barely pay the bills, and holiday time approaches. Your girlfriend chats about how much she wants a new winter coat - 400$. She doesn't mean that she wants YOU to buy it, or expects it. She's cool, and just fantasizing. But on present-opening day, you got her some CDs, notice her kind of shabby four year old coat on the chair, and YOU say YOU'RE SORRY!

Why are you DOING that?
 

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Dr. Paul Dobransky cont.




I ask the question to myself too, because it may be very surprising to discover how very much you are saying this phrase without even knowing it.

I think it's representative of a lot of troubles with boundaries, with culture, and with another emotion that happens to bethe Evil Twin of guilt.

SHAME.

Shame is the bane of pumping up and maintaining your level of masculinity.

I think I cover this pretty well in the Mature Masculine Power ecourse, CDs and DVDs.

Shame cuts you off at the knees and even if you are not depressed or anxious, IT is what is leaving you feel somehow empty, uncomfortable or "less than" a real man.

Guilt is an emotion we feel when we know we have done something wrong and are needing to correct our ways, but SHAME is an emotion that has NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR ACTIONS, present or former.

Guilt ONLY comes from INSIDE us, and shame ONLY comes from OUTSIDE us - from other people who are using us to feel better about themselves.

You see, shame is an anxiety emotion dumped into us from someone else who doesn't feel very comfortable in THEMSELVES. They don't feel important and they use US as a stepping stone to more importance.

Please notice this in others, every time you have the reasonable knowledge that you have done nothing wrong, but someone is telling you to your face that you are not enough, need to work harder, or need to act differently, talk differently, feel differently, or are WORTH a lesser amount than you thought you were only a moment ago.

Could it be that you let SHAME make you say "I'm sorry" far more often than you even realize, and MOST of the time, for entirely inappropriate reasons (like to erroneously get in a woman's, or boss's good graces?)

I think so. And I want you to pay attention to this from now on.

Of course there ARE reasons to say "I'm sorry" too. And guess what? There is even a way to aim at or work toward eliminating those too...

Your CHARACTER.

As your CHARACTER grows, you have better boundary skill, more win/win behavior and perspective, more balance in your life, better self esteem and a a good filling up of your intellect.

High CHARACTER puts you in a place where MOST of your decisions and interactions with others are from a place that does no harm, actually BENEFITS others as much as yourself, and tends to NEVER shame others.

So you can see yet again how important it is to grow high character in terms of feeling fully masculine, the master of your life.

The higher your character, the less and less there ever is a truly valid reason to say you're sorry, because you will have done nothing wrong.

What's more, you'll be more keen with your "Seventh Sense" of people at recognizing guilt from SHAME that's thrown your way from the outside. And you can simply say NO to that with a strong personal boundary.

I teach you the only complete, encyclopedic way to grow character in the mindOS materials. And I teach you to have this kind of Seventh Sense of people in the Omega Male Seminar on CD.

Next to mindOS for your character and KWML, for reading and screening the people you let into your life, the last core ecourse I offer is one which gets you thinking about what YOUR personal mission in life as a man even IS: The Mature Masculine Power ecourse.

See you mid-week for the Questions and Answer session.

Dr Paul
 

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Interceptor said:
You work your butt off at your job, barely pay the bills, and holiday time approaches. Your girlfriend chats about how much she wants a new winter coat - 400$. She doesn't mean that she wants YOU to buy it, or expects it. She's cool, and just fantasizing. But on present-opening day, you got her some CDs, notice her kind of shabby four year old coat on the chair, and YOU say YOU'RE SORRY!

Why are you DOING that?
I can really relate to this, because this is exactly how I thought for many years, this whole post.

Thanks for sharing this Intercepter..great stuff. Very true, it really should be taken to heart.

Exceptional post.
 

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Another QUALITY OF BEING A MAN.

The foundation of this site should incorporate BEING A MAN. This is the single most important element to permanently change the INNER AFC BELIEF SYSTEM. As i mentioned before, tactics and tricks are only temporary. Internal belief change is permanent. BEING A MAN is the foundation of change and a broadening of internal key paradigms.

Great post Interceptor! Bring more to the table!!
 

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i was once told, when i was younger, never to apologize for something that you did not do, never to apologize for someone else's mistakes because it degrades your character.

through life, i have realized that sometimes you do end up apologizing for things that you did not do and were not your mistakes, in order to smooth things over , whether it be with work, or family/friends/relationships.
it is because you would rather be the one to apologize than be someone who just keeps stuff going.
sometimes you are faced with a choice, either apologize for something you did not do (sorry for the lack of communication) (sorry i made you feel that way) or part ways and take a path without them.
when you are put into a place like that, you may bite your lip and think "can i afford to find a new job today"? or "what will i do if i part ways with my baby brother"? and the dreaded "does this mean they are not the love of my life"?

you can not pick your family, but you can choose your employer, your friends and your partners. if they had integrity, they would not insist that you apologize for something that you did not do, but they would also take their own actions / responsibilities into consideration and also provide you with an apology for the ill they have caused.
 

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Here's something that will help everyone immensely.

When something negative or startling...something that gets to y our Core, and affects you...

And you say "Sorry...


You are in effect saying "sorry" to yourself.


When you apologize for soemthing that happens TO YOU, that you did not cause (in that it's external) and you APOLOGIZE...
You are apologizing to yourSELF.

Person A gets sh*t tested by a woman becasue he doesn't drive an expensive car:


Girl: "I can't believe you drive that old car. Do you have a job?"

Guy: (feeling embarassed and shameful, and starting to blush from anxiety and embarassment) "Sorry. I..I...don't really make that much money.."

Girl: (rolls eyes and turns her body away from him, sips her drink, and starts looking across the room)


When you apologize out of shame, youare apologizing to someone else for not living up their standards and expectations of you.

You get this programmed into you when you are young.

Many parents beat this "You're not good enough" mantra into their children. They then grow up feeling inept and aimless, unable to have the courage to go for bigger goals, and make themselves bcome realized and fulfilling their true potential.

Shame comes from not feeling like you measure up.

Many men are shamed because they feel they are not worth an attractive woman.

SO they apologize for their lack of masculinity...

When you say sorry, you are in effect saying "I realize I don't measure up." AND "I apologize to myself for having to expereince such a belittling and humiliating experience."


You do this as a knee jerk reaction to try to preserve the last scraps of your dignity...and your Ego.

Since your Ego took a hit, your Self Image took a hit too.

When you have emotional charge around an issue ("I don';t have enough money to be attractive to women.") You will have a "soft spot" where a woman who senses this insecurity will puncture...and push your button, and trigger the emotional charge.

That's why I say you are in effect saying "Sorry"
to the person whom's standards you aren't living up to ("You don't earn enough money. Therefore, you are a loser. Therefore, you are not worthy of me.") ADN you are saying "sorry" to yourself since your deepest conscious endures this negative blow and attempts to keep your Ego intact at the expense of character and dignity.

It is a failed understanding of Boundaries.

Personal Boundaries.

And with regards specifically to women's Tests, you must develop the sense that you are above these things. Tyou are unaffected by them.
Andif you truly feel worthy, you realize that this just means she needs security and know where you stand with her.
 

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Interceptor said:
And with regards specifically to women's Tests, you must develop the sense that you are above these things. Tyou are unaffected by them.
Andif you truly feel worthy, you realize that this just means she needs security and know where you stand with her.

This is hard to do, and a lot easier said than done. However, to be able to not feel the guilt that comes along with sh!t tests from women. To be above that, is really the ultimate freedom.

Some women are very good at making their happiness a reward to you. When they are smiling, you are a man...doing something right. When they are upset, you failed your duties. Some women really are masters at this type of manipulation..
 

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Very good post. My ex wife used to pull this stunt all the time and blame everything on me and get me to apologise all the time. Part of losing the AFC mentality was becoming a man again by pushing weights, regaining my self asteem and doing a lot of research at this site.

Now I dont apologise needlessly and don't give a sh!t what people think about me. People respect me big time and women are turned on - especially when I dismiss their sh!t tests with a sarcastic comment.
 

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Pride.

Pride trumps shame.

In the military, a drill sergeant of mine replied to "I'm sorry" with "You certainly are." Ouch. In my face. I began to be "sorry" for "being sorry"? :confused: I quickly learned that, to avoid humiliation, an explanation is better than an apology.

It wasn't until after I found this site that I came to understand the logic behind not apologizing. I read it again: don't apologize unless it is clearly an offense that requires forgiveness. I had to think about it for quite some time before I could tell the difference.

It occurred to me after an interaction where, instead of apologizing, I offered some insight as to why I did what I did. The response? "I'm sorry, I didn't know that about you."

Huh? A 180º? They are apologizing to me, now?

See, people generally have little to no understanding of you or the factors that developed your beliefs and values. Family, friends, lovers, and coworkers may know you, but they don't necessarily understand your logic, beliefs, or your reasons for your actions.

When someone stands up for themselves in a situation that's offensive to them, and you apologize, you essentially lie down in defeat; you take a short-cut of sorts. And by doing so, you let people walk all over you. That feeling of inferiority is certainly unpleasant, but it's hard to resist that shame, or humiliation, without pride. Without pride, it's hard to stand up for yourself.

So, how do you develop pride? Pride is based on perspective. There is external validation, and there is internal validation. When you apologize, you want to make things right externally. You are validating yourself externally. If everything is just fine and dandy inside, what does it matter how things are outside? How are you accountable for the outside? You aren't accountable for the world around you, you are accountable for you. Once that is understood, it is easy to see that how someone perceives you is THEIR problem, not yours. Why should you apologize for someone's lack of appreciation or understanding of you anyway? A change in perspective can be reached by realizing the difference between external validation and internal validation.

Pride is a consciousness of your dignity. Dignity is basically one's respectability. So, in order to be proud of yourself, you have to respect yourself. In order to respect yourself, you must consider the aspects of your life in terms of how they are positive or negative according to YOU (you are the one trying to respect yourself, duh!). Once you begin to gauge yourself by yourself (internal validation), instead of by others perceptions (external validation), you will see that your actions, struggles, triumphs, shortcomings and strengths are right, just, good, acceptable, or simply "the way it is". You were there through it all, you know how it all went down, and you know how things have effected you. Who else can say that about you?

By gauging yourself, you will become aware of the causes and effects of your life that others most likely are not aware of, or would have no way of knowing. Perceptions that are unfounded will become apparent, and you will begin to have a desire to clarify misconceptions. The negative perceptions cast upon you will fall away because you will be conscious of the things that others don't understand (or appreciate) about you, and you will eventually be proud of yourself: you'll defend your dignity. 'You think I'm a loser? You obviously don't understand much about me!" Whether somebody cares to understand you is a whole different story, but, it's irrelevant considering you aren't accountable for anyone but yourself, right? Other people's perceptions will be, and should be, of little concern to you. And, attempts to shame will be held against your "gauge" and discounted.

Once you've began to establish this sense of dignity, this pride, you will begin to scrutinize yourself in a proactive and productive way: you will want to do things you, yourself can respect. You will want to achieve things you can be proud of. Your life will take on direction and you will want to avoid doing things that will make you unsatisfied with your actions. You will want to make choices that will yield results that you can proud of for they are your choices and your control. You will speak with more conviction and be more decisive. Indirectly, by developing pride, you also develop happiness and satisfaction.

Now, since you are proud of your actions, what would previously be an offense for which you would offer an apology will now appear to be misunderstandings. These offenses may even be accidents, but, if you are not ashamed of yourself, you will still explain yourself instead of apologize for yourself. That is, you will stand up for yourself.

I also would like to point out that sometimes people see explaining yourself as something a "man" should not need to do. And, for the most part I would agree, because I appreciate the logic behind that stance as well. A proud man does not need to justify his actions. There are situations where frame and "power" are at stake in the interaction.

However, I tend to see certain "apology" situations as defending my dignity by informing an uninformed person (if I choose to). You can usually differentiate between a situation where you hand over power with an explanation and a situation where you not only take power away, but add to your own as well by providing insight. There is a difference in the delivery: the frame is yours because it's a correction, not a supplication.
 

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One of the worst ways men say "I'm sorry" is in the way they carry themselves, as was mentioned in the article.

A guy who walks with his head high says "I have nothing to be sorry for".

Another thing about saying "I'm sorry" is that if you are saying to to a woman, even if you are 100% sincere, it means virtually nothing. Women can't apologize themselves, which may be part of the reason why they can't recognize and accept a genuine apology from a man.
 

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STR8UP said:
Women can't apologize themselves, which may be part of the reason why they can't recognize and accept a genuine apology from a man.
That's kind of a gross generalization don't you think?
 

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wjh said:
That's kind of a gross generalization don't you think?
37 years and I have yet to hear a genuine apology from a woman.

Lots of "Sorry I got caught" but NEVER "sorry I did it".
 

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STR8UP said:
37 years and I have yet to hear a genuine apology from a woman.

Lots of "Sorry I got caught" but NEVER "sorry I did it".
Well I would agree that women are not held to the same moral standard.
 
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