Never ask ...

Jason S.

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There's something I noticed a lot this weekend. The main difference between AFCs and DJs in a club environment is between asking and supposing.
I'd never ask a girl to join me or to do whatever I want to do. I always act like I know she wants to do it and give her a choice what kind of poison she prefers only. That's the way most DJs go in for the kill, apply some general sales rules and there you go ...

Example (It's a saturday, I've seen her one time before, social proof already established):

Jason: What would you prefer, bowling or watching movies?
Chick: I'd rather like watching movies.
Jason: Ok, I'll pick you up at thursday, fine? What's sounds better 6 or 7 p.m ?
Chick(surprised, short pause): Yes sure, I'd like to. (Thinks) 7 p.m is fine.
Jason: Ok, write me your address and phone number down. (Act like you have to do something) ... I'll be right back ... (walk away).

Walk around and let the impressions you left settle in her mind. She'll still be asking herself what happened in case you did it right. The important thing during this approach is to give her a choice that isn't really a choice. Always place the stuff/time you like at last, because it's most likely she'll choose that answer. She'll think she has some control but she'll know subconciously who was in command, leaving a bold and confident impression.

Don't jump her like a desperate chump once you returned. Just be happy, enjoy yourself and dance a little in her sight. She might walk up to you to give you the note, she may not, that's different from time to time. Wait a few minutes and go in for the final approach in case she won't. Don't talk at this point unless she asks you something, just walk up to her while smiling and looking at her eyes (she'll hand out the note in most cases on her own). I like to use my "special smile" at this point, it's basically tilting your head slightly to one side and lowering the face a little while doin' kinda provoking smile and closing your eyes a tiny bit (in case you like to use it, train it infront of a mirror, because it might easily look kinda submissive.) while slowly stretching my arm out, palm sideways up (like an oldschool dance request). Don't say a single word till you have that damn piece of paper in your hand. I like to give some final kino while pulling! her close to me with the other arm, hugging her and whispering something in her ear with a sweet but demanding voice. I don't think it does matter what you say now, just the way you say it is of importance. A half lips or even full lips kiss never failed at this point either.

Don't ignore her from now on! I tried it and the flake risk increased a lot whenever I ignored "her". Just don't cling to her like an AFC.
 
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I like your conv, not sure about the rest but if it's field tested, fair enough!
 

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Excellent post! I want a date:) How did you find these boards sweetie... JK. Really, that was very good. Especially, the giving her options. I hate when men ask me for a date and then say, "I don't know, what do you want to do"... Very nice.. So, how did the date go? Just curious.
 

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We've been watching movies at my place and everything developed in a quite natural way. I don't use any special technique at this point, because I am convinced that everything has to be natural to be smooth and fun. The only rule is that I always start where I stopped before. In case the most intimate thing was a full lips kiss, that's where I start right away. Never go a step backwards, rather one step ahead.

Well, she layed her legs on mine and stretched out after some general kino. It was kinda invitation in this case because she wasn't afraid to open up her vulnerable parts and seemed to be really comfortable. I stroked her legs a while and we fooled around a little. I joined her once she layed herself down again and stroked her belly and hips.

I am really not good in describing what I do and what happened because I am not thinking about it anymore at this point, but she stayed over the night and we had lots of fun, I guess I must have done something right ;).

This was the last time btw. I am not sure if I like to keep the date from this weekend because I had too much fun with the cutie I dated the last week, I might hook up with her for a while. She's just fun to be with.

*whisper* and gives incredible bjs :)
 

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Jason one thing about your conversation. Women like men who know what they want. You shouldn't give her so many options as it doesn't sound like your confident in what you plan on doing with her.

A better thing to say would simply be.

You: "I definately think we should do something soon."
Her: "Ya"
You: "Why don't I pick you up next Saturday around 7ish for Bowling?"
Her: "Sounds great"

See your not asking her, your telling her. Your not asking her if she wants to do something your assuming it's a mutual feeling and it's much easier for women to agree and go along with things especially when you have things under control.

It seems like you act like a DJ but your conversations still have a little AFC in them. But your succeeding and gaining experience and that's awesome!
 

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You guys are just talking about one of the rules of a salesman. Assume the sale. Sure it can create weird tension if you're not smooth but that's why you got to work at it so that when time comes, you can sell. Go read a sales book and you'll add more knowledge.
 

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Good point, let me explain ...

The trick is to give her a choice that is no real choice, like I said before. What if your "target" hates bowling like hell, or is just not available at the time you've given her ?

She might hate bowling and watching movies, but she'll think of it as her choice and will accept it subconciously because she was the one that has choosen. This is a pure sales technique. You never left an option that says "no", nor have you ever asked if she likes to go out with you or not.

The trick is to present the initial question like it's just a general question. You might fake you've been reading something or just had a phone call in case you aren't able to play this part otherwise. The second part has to be a choice based question because she will feel like beeing bulldozed otherwise.

Your attempt is good .. but do you notice something ? You gave her a choice to say "no".

Broadband: "Why don't I pick you up next Saturday around 7ish for Bowling?"
Girl: "Because I already made plans"

bam ... over and out, nice to meet you, have a nice day.

What I did is basically jump-rape her mind and re-establish the rapport afterwards (that's why ignoring afterwards is a bad bad thingy). In most cases she'll cancel everything else she might have been up to, hey ... it was her choice.
 

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Your post is similar to MOTU's post on the exact same thing, I wonder where you got that idea from :rolleyes:, j/k, good post :D . It just goes to show that this idea actually works(unless you are making it up which is looks like you are not) Here is the link http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001200.html
 

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I haven't read it before ... thanks for the link. :)

I've been in sales for almost 5 years and have been a trainer the last 3 years. I just decided to try something new and sell myself like I'd do it with other stuff. Includes stuff like mirroring, body language, leveling, raising interest, assumption, adaption, aso.

I just read the post of MotU and it explains everything I failed to put into my post. I thought it would be a little confusing for people that aren't in touch with the sales business, so I tried to keep it short and clear. Read his post in case you need further info.
 
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