I keep it short. Start with a few comments on her profile (mention some things you have in common, drawn directly from what she says), and then ask her a couple questions (where she's from originally, maybe something else drawn from her profile).Stavrogin said:I'm not sure what to say other than "hello." It seems odd to ask a woman what her interests are when her profile already lists them. Should I just go for the jugular and ask her if she'd meet me somewhere?
Think of online dating in terms of its real life counterpart. In real life, you wouldn't go up to a woman and the first thing out of your mouth would be to ask her to meet you somewhere. You have to build some comfort, trust and interest first.Should I just go for the jugular and ask her if she'd meet me somewhere?
The problem is, that's being done by every other guy writing her too, so it's really rather boring.mention some things you have in common, drawn directly from what she says), and then ask her a couple questions (where she's from originally, maybe something else drawn from her profile).
It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
I work and live in Silicon Valley in California, and on Wall Street for 7 years in NYC before this. Must be the most male-dominated places in North America (although NYC admittedly had a better ratio than this Valley). And damn if writing real emails that show interest in what women say in their profiles hasn't scored me goodness knows how many dates.Mr. Me said:The problem is, that's being done by every other guy writing her too, so it's really rather boring.
No that's not just you, it's a proven way to easily set you apart from the guys who write:MikeEdward1973 said:I work and live in Silicon Valley in California, and on Wall Street for 7 years in NYC before this. Must be the most male-dominated places in North America (although NYC admittedly had a better ratio than this Valley). And damn if writing real emails that show interest in what women say in their profiles hasn't scored me goodness knows how many dates.
But, that's just me.
Might be other factors involved rather than just the email content. As it is, the fact is that mentioning common interests is something that 80+% of the guys do when responding, so in and of itself, it is rather mundane so as to warrant attention back from a gal getting hit with dozens of those emails.And damn if writing real emails that show interest in what women say in their profiles hasn't scored me goodness knows how many dates.
I took you to mean you don't need a super witty, funny comedian message to get a reply back. I would agree with you. And don't think that there aren't plenty of other men trying to be funny and witty too. Not that funny and witty is a bad thing, but it can be overdone and it's just as likely for a woman to assume you're try hard and weird, just as it's about as likely for guys with very plain messages to get responses. But I do think Mr. ME had some good points about building comfort and disply you have some sense og wit and humor.MikeEdward1973 said:I work and live in Silicon Valley in California, and on Wall Street for 7 years in NYC before this. Must be the most male-dominated places in North America (although NYC admittedly had a better ratio than this Valley). And damn if writing real emails that show interest in what women say in their profiles hasn't scored me goodness knows how many dates.
But, that's just me.
You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
I agree with a lot of things you said but I don't totally buy into the above quoted premise of yours. I mean I do think mentioning common interest can be mundane and cliche, but I wouldn't assume 80% of guys are doing it, and so what if they are. As you well know and pointed out, it's the other factors, like your pic, your job and how you portray, your lifestyle on your page etc., that's going to make the difference.Mr. Me said:Might be other factors involved rather than just the email content. As it is, the fact is that mentioning common interests is something that 80+% of the guys do when responding, so in and of itself, it is rather mundane so as to warrant attention back from a gal getting hit with dozens of those emails.
That is exactly what I was trying to say. My sense of humor is real dry, and doesn't come out well over email. So I play it conservative, and if other things are in order (like my profile is well written, and I do have some funny stuff in there), I do get a strong rate of response.ketostix said:I took you to mean you don't need a super witty, funny comedian message to get a reply back. I would agree with you. And don't think that there aren't plenty of other men trying to be funny and witty too. Not that funny and witty is a bad thing, but it can be overdone and it's just as likely for a woman to assume you're try hard and weird, just as it's about as likely for guys with very plain messages to get responses. But I do think Mr. ME had some good points about building comfort and disply you have some sense og wit and humor.
Sometimes when I'm on a date, and I can already feel that I'm not going to want to see her again, I'll use the opportunity to gather feedback on their experience on places like Match.com. I've found that they really do get a ton of email from guys who clearly haven't read their profiles, or wait 10 emails before asking to meet up, or have poorly written profiles, or make any number of mistakes that, just by not making them, I've set myself apart.Mr. Me said:Might be other factors involved rather than just the email content. As it is, the fact is that mentioning common interests is something that 80+% of the guys do when responding, so in and of itself, it is rather mundane so as to warrant attention back from a gal getting hit with dozens of those emails.
So, maybe your photo is a 8+ or better, or maybe your online profile or emails happen to mention the big money professions you're in, or maybe it's a little bit of everything?
You worked on Wall Street? Then you may be familiar with Nassim Taleb's book "Fooled By Randomness" wherein he shows how people often misperceive results based on causality.
Truthfully, it's not hardly any different than sarging on the street. You just can't rely on immediate feedback. You have to be confident in your communication prowess.MikeEdward1973 said:...I know I sound like a broken record, but there should be a sticky for do's & don'ts when it comes to using the Internet for meeting women.
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
BRAVO!!! Excellent creativity! However, I'd question how serious a woman is if she won't even write a profile. Also, is she old (smart) enough to know about morse code? Either she's may be a online AW who doesn't know about MySpace or she's going after guys just for their picture. It is what it is but if she doesn't respond I wouldn't sweat it, you're probably better off.Phyzzle said:I did find a woman with a profile consisting of
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Just dashes. However . . . it also had this picture.
She appears on the favorites lists of 125 members.
I messaged her saying "Cool, you know morse code! Well, -.--...-....-.-.-.-...-.-.--.-....--.-.-, so if that's sounds too dangerous or depraved ---.-..-.-...-....-.-.-.-.-.-."
Hmmm . . . no response. In fact, I have no responses to my messages, and I might post up my profile at some point, but I think I need to try a new site first. This one has 5 women in my area with non-horrifying pics.