Need advice from 25+ years please pt. 2!

Gamble

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Hey guys, I first want to say thanks for all the help in my previous threads. But this time, I feel like it is really the end of my LTR of 9 months. I just wanted to give myself some self-gratification so bare with me.

-On Wednesday night my gf calls me and starts crying because she fainted from yoga because of the combination of stress and lack of food intake. I was pretty much there for her and she was really overwhelmed and happy afterwards. I am always the one she goes to if she has any problems because she has issues with her friends and family. So I get home and take a shower or what not, and then go online and we start talking. She was very sweet to me and the first thing I asked her was if she was going to go back to yoga the next day. She said yes, and i freaked out because she had just fainted and took it like nothing happen. So we get into this argument, and i completely explode, and at one point I told her, "I feel like I wasted my time with you." And i basically said it because everytime I give her advice she never follows it because she is very stubborn. Keep in mind that I am 20 years old, and she is 29 and we were already having problems with our relationship because of the age difference for the past couple of months. I feel like this "game" stuff can make me so controlling and manipulative and so protective against myself being AFC that I always usually get my way. For example;

1. She always drives to my house (30 minute drive) even if she has to be stuck in traffic for about 1 hour and 10 minutes all the time. I rarely see her and usually it's only once or twice a month I pick her up.
2. She buys me food all the time and gives me something to eat whenever she sees me.
3. Her friends already criticize me for my age, she felt like they were wrong and didn't say anything, but she has been there for me when I needed her support.

So I call her yesterday night, and she doesn't call me back. So I go online and message her to see what's up. She tells me she is really disappointed that I told her that I wasted her time and made her feel like she is down and why (the above reasons driving, food. etc..). So she said "you got what you wanted mr. king, are you happy now?" Keep in mind this girl is very very emotional, she can be sad or happy in one minute. She then tells me, "i can't hang out with a guy like this, I can't handle it" I say some arrogant stuff like, "I gave you chances too" and she just says "that's it now, I don't need anything from you, thank you very much" So before I slept I messaged her and said "We've had our ups and downs these past couple of months, but I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me." I really felt bad because I realized that she is a very sweet person and she does treat me very good, and I have realized that I did not really do the same for her after thinking about it. So what's my next move? I am trying not to be AFC, but this time it was my fault. Thanks guys, even if you don't reply, your time is greatly appreciated.
 

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What do YOU think you need to do?

Obviously from your previous posts, you just need us as a place to air your thoughts. I could say the same thing you said about you gf, about you!When it comes to taking advice. And the thing about advice... if you aren't giving it w/o strings attached, don't give it.

Advice should not come with the burden of HAVING to take it. It's just perspective that you are offering. Its up to the individual to do what they see fit.
 

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ummm...

okay im ready.

shes 29 and your 20. you cant pout and moan because she decides to go to yoga or not. SHES A GROWN ARSE WOMEN.

it shows your age and women dont want that kind of immaturity. of course you can express your concern about her returning, but that is it. GET CONTROL OF YOUR EMOTIONS.

and based on this particular thread (maybe its not the case) but it sounds like she is treating you like you are a kid. why is she buying you food to eat all the time and taking care of you like that??

yeah its nice to have it done from time to time, but you have to take care of YOURSELF. even if she does enjoy doing these things, subconsciously it makes you look very very needy.

i myself get trapped in the stupid drama and unecessary arguments from time to time. but we have to choose are battles wisely. and getting upset about yoga is def. not one of them.

good luck brother
 

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First rule of dating club - NEVER tell or advise girls what to do unless asked, and even then be careful.

You were out of order with your response about 'wasting your time'. Your apologie is a little late lived. When she picked you up on this you should have said:

'I wasnt thinking clearly, and I didnt mean what I said. your very special to me, and I was just worried for you'

notice how you dont apologize here..! sounds like she's a little more mature than you. you've made you play now with the apologie, wait now till she makes her move. You can still say the above and it will get through to her - its womeanese.

let us know how you get on..!
 

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She was very sweet to me and the first thing I asked her was if she was going to go back to yoga the next day. She said yes, and i freaked out because she had just fainted and took it like nothing happen.

I would have said...'yeah, that makes sense after passing out the other day, have fun'.

feel like this "game" stuff can make me so controlling and manipulative and so protective against myself being AFC that I always usually get my way.

That's a good thing...

Her friends already criticize me for my age

Good, let them...the more they criticize you, the more 'attractive' and/or 'interesting' you become to her. They are doing you a favor...

she said "you got what you wanted mr. king, are you happy now?"

Nice, this tells me you are doing 'something' right. Nice work...

Keep in mind this girl is very very emotional, she can be sad or happy in one minute.

This goes for all women...

We've had our ups and downs these past couple of months, but I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me." I really felt bad because I realized that she is a very sweet person and she does treat me very good, and I have realized that I did not really do the same for her after thinking about it.

This was your mistake in my opinion. You should have said 'alright, guess i'll see you around then', and left it at that. I can almost 'guarantee' that she would have been calling or texting you in a matter of days. Now she knows you 'can' be controlled with a little guilt.

I wouldn't bother calling or texting her...
 

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Alright my friend, I think you showed your true age in here and its why she reacted the way she did. You came across as an immature 20 year old when you reacted negatively. Before I show you, I want you to know, I'm not trying to pick on you, I just want you to see what she sees

But before I do that, here's why I'm saying what I'm saying

WesCottII said:
WesCott's #1 Rule.

Never, EVER, show a woman you arn't in 100% control of your emotions. Once you let her see she can push your buttons, it's all but over.
Mavrick said:
Don't let anyone control your emotions!
With that in mind, what you want to do is

Jitterbug said:
Never lose your cool. Learn to find people's rudeness amusing, not insulting.

Think of all the suave characters you know (James Bond for example). They never resort to childish swearing or getting angry for no good reason.
Not the following


Gamble said:
So we get into this argument, and i completely explode, and at one point I told her, "I feel like I wasted my time with you." And i basically said it because everytime I give her advice she never follows it because she is very stubborn.
How do you think you would feel if someone that you loved deeply and did all kinds of things for told you that you are a waste of her time? Its rude & mean to say the least.

More importantly, with time you'll come to realize that when women are asking for advice, they really aren't asking for advice, they are just looking to spill their guts. This is a well known fact and documented and accepted even by women.

Gamble said:
2. She buys me food all the time and gives me something to eat whenever she sees me.
3. Her friends already criticize me for my age, she felt like they were wrong and didn't say anything, but she has been there for me when I needed her support.
The reason why her friends criticize her for being with you is because they see you as using her. Yes its good to have an older women with money but you have to reciprocate to a degree. However some of the onus is on her to explain the positive things that you bring to the relationship (I'm assuming there are some)

Gamble said:
So I call her yesterday night, and she doesn't call me back. So I go online and message her to see what's up.
This is just needy behaviour. If she wanted to talk to you, she would have answered your call. By forcing the issue, here's what you caused:

Gamble said:
She tells me she is really disappointed that I told her that I wasted her time and made her feel like she is down and why (the above reasons driving, food. etc..). So she said "you got what you wanted mr. king, are you happy now?" She then tells me, "i can't hang out with a guy like this, I can't handle it"
Basically what you did is you pushed her when she was not in a mood to talk to you, so of course she's going to lash out at you. If you would have waited for her to return the call (thereby not coming across as needy), she would have likely talked through it herself and remembered why she fell in love with you. Instead

Gamble said:
I say some arrogant stuff like, "I gave you chances too" and she just says "that's it now, I don't need anything from you, thank you very much"
This is exactly what I was talking about above. You need to control your emotions. Never let a women see that she can press your buttons, it will drive her crazy that you are always cool, calm & collected.

However, don't feel bad, its not the end of the world. Consider this a life lesson, a great fun 9 month lesson where you had some amazing sex and a great time with this women.

Remember the last thread where I said:

MacAvoy said:
More importantly your too young to make a serious committment. But don't worry about changing your course, the end will naturally come sooner or later. Just enjoy the time you have with her. Unfortunately, your missing out on your prime screwing around years, your missing out on BOATLOADS of college pvssy.
So just enjoy the time that you had with her. It might not be over right this minute, but I sense the end is near. But more importantly, now you can go out and get those boatloads of college girls. Sow your oats while you can. If you happen to find another great girl and end up in another relationship again, then great, have fun, enjoy it.
 

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thanks for all the advice, should I not even bother calling her and wait for her next move like the previous post? The reason why she buys me foods (snacks, small foods, mini-deserts) is cause she likes to do that kind of stuff, not because she is taking care of me.
 

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Yes I would not contact her and let her come to you. I would also start emotionally detaching from the relationship. However, I wouldn't show her that you are emotionally detaching from the relationship.

What I didnt' realize before was

DonJuan11 said:
(1) You haven't met her friends 9 months into the relationship? She lets you inside her but won't let you meet her closest friends? Hmmm....
That is a huge red flag. It means that she is embarrassed about you and she doesn't think your good enough for her (because she doesn't want her friends to meet you). Trust me, I've been in this situation and I guarantee its true.

The only reason why she wants you to have lunch now is because she's actually told her friends about you and they agree that your not worthy and its a meeting to confirm it.

At best, your her boy toy. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. However I would just enjoy it. Milk it to the maximum. Let her buy you food, let her drive to you. However start withdrawing your heart but keep telling her you love her.
 

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Gamble said:
So what's my next move? I am trying not to be AFC, but this time it was my fault. Thanks guys, even if you don't reply, your time is greatly appreciated.

You have no next move... she pushed your buttons to get you to blow up so she would have and excuse to say she is done with you.. A common thing women do when they want to distance themselves emotionally..

CUT OFF ALL CONTACT NOW AND LET HER FIX IF SHE WANTS TO... The more desperate and AFC you act over the next 4 week will seal your fate even more.
 

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DonGorgon said:
You have no next move... she pushed your buttons to get you to blow up so she would have and excuse to say she is done with you.. A common thing women do when they want to distance themselves emotionally..

CUT OFF ALL CONTACT NOW AND LET HER FIX IF SHE WANTS TO... The more desperate and AFC you act over the next 4 week will seal your fate even more.
damn it's so hard not to call her. It's been one day, she was online yesterday on AIM implying that she wanted me to message her, but I didn't! ha! :up: Any other tips guys :)
 

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She was very sweet to me and the first thing I asked her was if she was going to go back to yoga the next day. She said yes, and i freaked out because she had just fainted and took it like nothing happen. So we get into this argument, and i completely explode


There is a difference between being there for her and not letting her live her own life. At 20, you are just learning these things, probably you are wiser at 20 now that I was then, but this girl also has ten years more relationship experience than you. That is part of the problem of the age difference.

Just mind your own business about her life and her decisions. It goes both ways, and it's the flip side of her not telling you what to do.

And don't call or contact her. She knows how to contact you; and she will if you give it time. You should be at least talking to other girls right now to get your mind off her. Trust me, she is talking to other guys.
 

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Bleh! What are you doing conduction a single relationship at 20 anyway? I've also got to say you turning 21 and her turning 30...The party prime of your age and she's going into that "It's now or never for me with kids" age...wow, just wow.

You call yourself gamble but betting on something this stupid should be obvious.
 

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We told him that in his other thread. At 20, it's hard to see that the novelty of older women wears off as a guy approaches 30.
 

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I know you guys handled this already belt:up:

I just wanted to drive the point home even more. Maybe he'll snap out of it...or maybe not.
 

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i know she will call me, but reading all your posts reminds me not to. Thanks guys for all your support and advice guys. I think the reason why I am being like this is because we had sex last friday, and it was damn good. But then again, I can train another girl to be damn good in bed as well.
 

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well, i called her and then we talked, she tells me she misses me blah blah, and we go to the beach, then take her home and have sex :) but I guess you guys are right, I can now see the age difference a lot better.
 
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