need advice. ex is back and wants to have sex

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Make it perfectly clear you guys can be together, but you're already seeing other people and are at a place in life that you're not ready to leave. If she accepts that frame, then you're good to go. If not, then you're no worse off than you are already.[/QUOTE]

i really like this, but how do you initiate this conversation. it doesnt seem logical to bring it up out of the blue. i am going with the assumption she does not call me. this seems more like an after sex thing.
 

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Mr. Me said:
"Ah. He does want to have sex with me. Thought so. He's trying to see if I want it too. Ha, ha, ha. What's that he said? "If I'M looking for something more"? Hmmm. That means HE'S trying to check and see if I want something because HE wants something more. Good! Hee hee! And he thinks I'm "confused". Okay, I'll play along with the poor little dumb chick thing for now and pretend innocence. Oh! I have to call Matt and Joey back to see them in the meantime too, they're hot!"
i really like this. it makes a lot of sense to me. i will no longer have that talk.

do you guys all suggest no contact untill she makes first move, or would it be non needy to call in a couple days to see whats up for the weekend?
 

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My mind set is that if you go ahead and make other plans for the weekend (that do not take her into consideration), you show that you are your own person and not putting your life on hold waiting on her (or anyone else for that matter).
 

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Romjuan said:
do you guys all suggest no contact untill she makes first move, or would it be non needy to call in a couple days to see whats up for the weekend?
...actually, the majority of guys here will recommend no contact - FOREVER!

I like how the majority recommends moving on, but the OP hangs on until he hears some reason to keep at it. Isn't that just listening for the advice you want to hear instead of trusting a larger group who can see it more clearly than you can?

I think the truth is that you've been waiting / hoping this girl would call you back and then you blew it by not taking the prize you had made her into. Now, it's even worse than before and you're so in her frame your best friend should slap you good and hard.

My guess is that in your mind (to some degree) the relationship broken by her is now on again.

I think you should text her right away. And if you don't hear back from her in 10min, text again. And if she goes more than 4hrs, then email or call. Eventually you will get the answer you need - just not the one you want to hear.

Oh yeah, one more thing. I don't think she would have screwed you that night. I think if you had ramped it up she would have ejected right before the deed with excuses of it not feeling right, blah, blah, blah...

Would you answer this question - why do you feel you have to reconnect with her?
 

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...actually, the majority of guys here will recommend no contact - FOREVER!

I like how the majority recommends moving on, but the OP hangs on until he hears some reason to keep at it. Isn't that just listening for the advice you want to hear instead of trusting a larger group who can see it more clearly than you can?

I think the truth is that you've been waiting / hoping this girl would call you back and then you blew it by not taking the prize you had made her into. Now, it's even worse than before and you're so in her frame your best friend should slap you good and hard.

My guess is that in your mind (to some degree) the relationship broken by her is now on again.

I think you should text her right away. And if you don't hear back from her in 10min, text again. And if she goes more than 4hrs, then email or call. Eventually you will get the answer you need - just not the one you want to hear.

Oh yeah, one more thing. I don't think she would have screwed you that night. I think if you had ramped it up she would have ejected right before the deed with excuses of it not feeling right, blah, blah, blah...

Would you answer this question - why do you feel you have to reconnect with her?
the reason i feel to reconnect is because our relationship was a good relationship. We got a long great and things were great in almost every aspect. we did have the bestfriends mentality when we were together. now why did we break up? ill get more indepth. im 28 underachiever who didnt finish college, is working retail, and mooch off my parents here and there. i slept in till like 11am regularly. i live paycheck to paycheck and twice took my gf out and had my card declined. i bring this up because this girl on the other hand is 24. overachiever got her degree and going for her masters. just bought her own house and pays for everything on her own with no help from anyone. As much as i like to say i am a catch because of personality, looks, etc. she was getting dissapointed how i didnt try and better myself. she tryed to motivate me to get internships and redo my resume but i got defensive. So why did we break up? well you can see why over a course of a year a girl can get tired of this. in essence, we had everything great but i can see her side of wanting to break up because of this. now since we broke up i am currently in paramedic school pursuing a career in ems or firefighter. she sees the change and i think thats why shes coming back. ive read what everyone else said why she left such as "lost of interest" "other guys on the side" and so forth, but in reality i do believe if i had a career we would still be together. this might info might give a better understanding to everyone why i want her back and why she might be confused with her intentions. now with this said do all of you still believe the best action is to not see her intentions of coming over for sex and do you all still believe all the previous advice still apply?

thanks again for everyone that read this thread and provided help/advice. i really do appreciate all the replys
 

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Rom, based on this new info you gave I'll tell you exactly why I think you two shouldn't be together.

From what you wrote, it's obvious that you are two very different personalities. She-- overachiever, has her life well on track as far as society is concerned. You--in a bit of a rut at the time, not someone who's "going places".

She tried to stimulate you to improve yourself. But she did it in such a manner that got you on the defensive. This to me sounds like she is a person with poor people skills and little or no patience with people that are not like her.

And tell you what? When a girl dumps you because she can't handle you at a certain point in life and then comes back when you've changed a bit more according to what she thinks things should be like, well, then I get all irky and irritated.

Sure, if you were some lazy drug-addict, abuser, molester or what-not in terms of unnacceptable behaviour, or someone with psychological disfunctionalities or issues, someone in need of therapy but insisting there's nothing wrong with you, making you impossible to live with, then sure, by all means, a person can and should set terms for the relationship and your behaviour by leaving you and coming back when you clean your act up.

But that sort of thing wasn't the case, right? It wasn't as if you were a complete wreck, were you? I think you just didn't really know what to do with your life at the time she decided to dump you. As you said earlier: you weren't driven in life. That's not a crime. And she dumped you for that. She dumped you because you weren't the little gem in her ring she wanted to parade with.

Did she know how to motivate/support you properly to improve yourself? No. She got you on the defensive. To me that speaks volumes about someone. Mostly that they have little tolerance or understanding for people not like them. Such people act in ways that get people on the defensive.

Of course I can easily be off the mark, basing myself on your limited info, but still. It sounds all too familair. This girl simply seems like she's not a person who's there for you. It rather sounds like she's there for her and bails the minute people need her in some way or another that she doesn't know how to deal with. (And you'll probably say that this is not true because she put up with you for a long time, but that's not what it likely was -- more like she didn't have any better prospects at the time, so she swallowed her irritation as best she could. And still she got you on the defensive.)

Is that what you expect or want from someone you believed you also had a best friends relationship with, aside from a romantic one?

Imagine yourself in a few years when you hit a depression perhaps, or some other dip in your life. Imagine you're seriously together again. Will she stand by you? Try to help you through it? Lovingly support you and stimulate you to seek help? Or will she do her little act again that gets you on the defensive once more -- and ultimately drive you two apart again?

Because that's what people do who get others on the defensive: drive others away with intolerance. Ask yourself why someone gets someone on the defensive. It's because they're usually not the most empathic and supportive people, who can't tolerate it when people don't behave as desired, or when things don't change as fast as they want it.

So with this in mind, think hard about wether this one is one for you and if you should pursue this further.

I know it's difficult to simply say goodbye to the good things that were. I've once known a girl who seemed a bit like yours and she was really a cold, calculative piece of work. We got along great, best friends you could say. But as sunny as things seemed when it was all well, it turned out there was no place in her heart for any difficulty. It had to be all be flowers and sunshine, or else bye-bye. And when you're suddenly faced with such a contrast, that's a big nut to swallow.

For a long time I tried to fix things, but ultimately you realize you're fighting a battle you'd better withdraw from to regroup. It's hard to realize this when you're close to the fire with so much fire for the other person inside you. Especially when you got along so well otherwise, and everything was great -- except for these one or two little things that seemed insignificant and seemed like they were things that could be overcome. But usually those one or two seemingly little issues that seem like hurdles you can take, turn out to be mountains one or both simply don't want to climb.

I'd like to think that people should stick around for eachother, also when it's difficult and demanding of you. Not bail when it gets a little tough. If people do, that's usually a sign you're not compatible enough.

Anyway, I hope this gives some helpful perspective. It's of course entirely my impression of your situation based on the info you gave. I could be way off with my assumptions and reading between the lines. Maybe you were a slack and maybe she had good reason to bail. Even if that's the case, I still don't think it's a good idea to rejoin with her. You don't want to change or improve because someone doesn't like the way you are; you want to change or improve because you want to.

The fact that you're "able to see her side of things and why she bailed" is just rationalizing things because you are still attached to her. That's not healthy for you. It puts the frame with her and completely away from you. You're twisting and turning every which way to fit her frame soon. It's very AFC. Think about that.

I'll say again that you'd better detach yourself, cut all contact, make your life the best you want it to be and find someone who's better for you. Cherish the good times you had without deeply desiring them back again. Make new good times with another.

And mind you, it's very extremely likely still the case that she's trying you out again because she has no other prospects. Your assumption that she may be interested in you again because you've changed is probably just that: an assumption. And an incorrect one at that. She's without a doubt using you. Don't let that happen. Move on. She had her chance. She's only in it for herself. She's a selfish, emotional golddigger.

Move on. You don't want to be with someone who doesn't appreciate you for who you are.
 
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Romjuan said:
i decided i wanted to talk to her and see what her intentions are
Surprise, surprise.
 

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ive decided to play it cool till friday and then send a text near midnite (when i know she will have a few drinks in her ) and say " suprised you didnt follow me around this week. where did you go?" (for the past 3 weekends we ran into each other at the same bars). when she responds saying where shes at. ill try and set up another booty call and bang this time. ill say something like "call me when your done with the bar, maybe we will 'go for a drink' ". or "call me when your done, maybe we can go for round 2."
any suggestions? thanks again fellas.
 

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the reason i feel to reconnect is because our relationship was a good relationship
If it was good, she wouldn't have dumped you.

Here's the problem. Even if she were coming back for the reason you suspect, she won't ever forget the reason she dumped you. A woman's memory is truly like an elephant's. They even remember the tablecloth pattern at the restaurant on your first date.

The minute you slack (or perceive to slack in her eyes), that's when you're going to hear "I KNEW IT! You haven't changed! I CAN'T believe I let you back in my life!"

If your measure of ambition is the fault line in your relationship, it will always be there, ready to fracture further.

in reality i do believe if i had a career we would still be together
This is more likely an error in your reasoning and you're assuming the end result would've been different. In real life, it's not such a straight path to its conclusion. Just to give you an idea, say you were more industrious a few months ago while still in the relationship. Who's to say she wouldn't still think you're not striving hard enough, or aren't ambitious enough. Who's to say she'd look with agreement upon whatever career choice you're making? Who's to say there isn't some guy out there even more ambitious and industrious then you? Who's to say that if you became even more industrious, she wouldn't then complain that she feels neglected, that you're working too much and need to spend more time with her? Who's to say that maybe there aren't other factors that turned her off about you? I mean, some women want to marry a convicted murderer, right? That doesn't seem to turn them off. Why would your gal be so turned off just because you're not as ambitious as she is? In what else is she going to feel you miss the mark of her standards? If it wasn't that, it would be something else.

I've decided to play it cool till friday and then send a text... ill say something like "call me when your done with the bar, maybe we will 'go for a drink' ". or "call me when your done, maybe we can go for round 2."
any suggestions?
Back off, run silent and let her contact you (not that I think you ought to be in contact with her at all, but since you don't wanna let go, you may have to learn the hard way...). Make other plans for the weekend. This "call me when..." surrenders all control over these circumstances to her, putting it in her court, making her the one to decide when to call you, where you're the one waiting to hear back - if she calls. It also makes it look like you're available to her at her whim. How can you live like that? Wouldn't it be so much better to go out and find some other nice chickies?
 

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so mr.me,
assuming i continue to do my idea of sending a text friday nite' do u have another idea of getting the message out witout putting the ball in her court. im not saying im going to do this just want to weigh my options. i dont think she wil initiate a bootycall since i rejected her last time. id like to hear what would be a better text. thanks
 

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Your actions, "back off and run silent" and "make other plans", "don't be so available at her whims", are what sends the appropriate message while keeping the ball in your court.
 

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You're already fighting a losing battle. She's got you in pursue mode AFTER having dumped you. You never want to be in this position. She already knows what you want, there's no mystery at all.

It sounds good to say "yeah, I'll just have sex with her and protect my feelings", but your feelings and lack of options aren't going to turn this fantasy into reality. It will show through your behavior as you've already blatantly demonstrated here.

Seriously, all the texting and asking out on your part are driving that nail further and further. You're giving her absolutely no sense of "I'm the MAN and I've got stuff going on". It's more like "I'm sad and lonely and wish we could go out again".

I'm speaking from experience, if you get dumped the best course of action is to move on, don't waste time and energy on someone who isn't reciprocating your feelings, you will end up hurt and it will kill your confidence. This is a great quote that people have posted here:


"New p-ssy clears the head"
 

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Romjuan said:
so mr.me,
assuming i continue to do my idea of sending a text friday nite' do u have another idea of getting the message out witout putting the ball in her court. im not saying im going to do this just want to weigh my options. i dont think she wil initiate a bootycall since i rejected her last time. id like to hear what would be a better text. thanks
...are you sure you're 28yrs old?

When you re-read your last post a year from now you'll probably barf.

Your plan is pathetic. You are purposely planning to text a woman Friday night in hopes that she'll drop everything, come to you and fulfill your dreams of s3x with her again. This is a FANTASY!

You know what she'll do with that text. She'll show her friends and other guys out with her that night just how pathetic and chumpish you are. Her friends will laugh at you and then confirm for her that she was wise to dump you.

Then add all this "call me..." crap. Why are you so focused on getting her to call you. I think I can tell you why. It would give you some sense of control that you lost. Knowing she would call you because you told her too is just another FANTASY!

Why can't you accept that it's over. Why not start dating other women. Are you trying to tell us that this is the best and only matching woman in the world for you?

Where's that good friend who's supposed to slap you good and hard and knock some sense in your head!
 

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Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that someone doesn't want you as much as you want them. And that it's OKAY.

You're continuing to play this game to feed your own ego and, sorry to tell you, it is impossible for you to win this one with your gameplan. If she wanted you badly enough she'd be CALLING you and TEXTING you MORE, WAY MORE than she is currently.

Right now she thinks you're a chump that rejected her sexual advances because you were being gamey. And you know what, she's right.

Sack up and go out with your buddies. Surround yourself with other women until this doesn't hurt so badly. You WILL meet someone else. And I know it's not easy on the ego, but you just have to learn how to deal.

Good luck.
 

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i appreciate everyones help and with that said ive already made the personal decision to go thru with my plan. as afc or non alpha as it is i will learn the hard way and im willing to face the consequences. this friday nite im going to send a text midnite ish and say " we have some unfinished business from last friday nite that we need to attend to. come by after the bars." wish me luck. i will send u guys the update to let u know what happens. sorry to dissapoint u guys but id rather crash and burn rather than not knowing if we get that second chance. if u have any other suggestions i always appreciate them.
 

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You're persistent! Believe it or not I hope your plan works and maybe it will give you some closure and clear the other head too! Sometimes we need to crash & burn - or hit the bottom. It is there that we learn the most because the learning comes at a cost.

Do me a favor. Starting right now and right up until midnight do whatever you can to not think about that text. Work out. Work out again. Watch a great movie. Hang out with friends. Get drunk. Do your absolute best to not dwell on the text and just send it on a whim from a guy who's out having fun and could a rip less whether she responds or not. Even though it's a text, that vibe will come through to her.

Thanks for keeping us posted.
 

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guys you see what happens when you keep in contact with Xs who dump you? you turn into this.
 

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Yep text her and give her even more power and validation.

Tell her you love her more than anything and can't live without her while you're at it.

I mean sh!t man if you are willingly going to commit suicide like this might as well go all out.
 

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i really dont think ive acted like a *****. yes ive vented out to everyone here so my inner game might not be as well, however, for all she knows is nothing. facts are: she called me late night and came over at 2am. she vented out all her memories on me while i played it cool. i textd her two days later to ask if she wanted to go out. she said what do i have in mind. i suggested one thing. she said she was already doing that with fam. i suggested another. she didnt reply. that was it. havent talked to her since.

basically what im saying is yes you guys see this side, however she hasnt. she may sense it through womans intuition of some sort, but im sure if i play it cool tonite i keep my frame
 

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What do you really want to prove to YOURSELF ?
that you can fvck her again ? that she still wants you so bad ?

if you wanted to fvck her, you should have done it the first time she came over because she did for SEX and you didnt give her what she expected.
Yes, that was a good job not to give her this validation BUT please ain't no regret after that. you exactly knew the rules. you played it fine but now you just want to change those same rules because you are more and more needy about her.
 
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