Naysayers

[bigneil]

When you appear on a new scene, there will be a Beta male who will seem to befriend you quickly. However, you will soon learn that their main purpose for approaching you was informing you about their perceived (and/or imaginary) boundaries.

Example. You go to a bar to play pool and there are three hot waitresses. After about an hour, when he is having a smoke some guy will say "Waitress A is engaged, and Waitress B has a boyfriend, and I used to date the Waitress C but she's got a new guy now...".

In dog-speak, he ran over and peed on all of them to mark his territory.

However, you must remember that those excuses are what they told HIM (and he embellished their words to fit his own agenda and ego), and women lie to guys they are not interested in. Taking advice from women about women is even worse (and forbidden for DJ's). As a general rule, everyone will interfere.

In reality, if they were attracted to you and you were to ask them in person, they would all say they were single, perhaps eagerly. In fact, they might all come over to ask your name, one by one, and even introduce him! And the third one might even cringe if she ever knew he refers to them as having dated.

It can be especially awkward when someone lets you know they are romantically interested in someone who is not romantically interested in them, but who is curious about you. There will be weak people who impose, sometimes you have to show them how it is done, even if it makes them weep at night. This situation is extremely common at work.

So always ask women about their romantic situation yourself.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

As the old saying goes, 'Better to say nothing and be presumed an idiot than to speak one's mind and remove all doubt.'

Communicate intentions through actions, rather than words. Words remove mystery, actions instil it.

 

[Between_The_Lines]

It's not just girls who sh1t test - guys are guilty of it too, sometimes even at other guys.

All I'm seeing if a guy tells me what he told you from that point forward is him proudly wearing a Team AFC jersey. A "thanks for the heads up" with a smile and back to business as usual is all that's required in a situation like that.

 

[LMFAO]

It's better not to ask them anything about whether they are single or not and presume they are interested based on their actions. Corey Wayne and the RSD guys never ask a girl if she has a boyfriend. For one it looks fvcking weak the second reason is that many girls will keep around their boyfriend until they find a suitable replacement.

If you escalate and they are playing along they are there for the taking.

If she doesn't have a wedding ring or a guy next to her with a finger up her p$ssy she's single.

 

[bigneil]

The worst thing about orbiters is that they genuinely feel entitled to have the girl(s) next. After all, he spent countless hours on the phone with her when she was talking about the guys who used and abused her. She owes him! It's the fair thing for her to do. She can learn to love him. He is next in line, dammit!

Side note: my example was based on a true story that happened last night. And at this (biker) bar, Waitress A and B both suddenly whipped off their tops and did some trick with their boobs. One would put quarters on the table and the other would pick them up with her nipples (by friction) and then (somehow) flip them to the other girl. She caught one and the other went in some guys drink (he seemed pleased). I was wondering if it was legal for regular waitresses to do that but wasn't going to press charges. These girls were around age 30 and probably former strippers, but now sporting too much of a spare tire.

So anyhow this guy kept saying "I dated Barbie. I dated Barbie. I dated Barbie" and the next thing I know some hot blonde asks me my name, and shook my hand and seemed all interested, and she introduced him, and then said "My name is Barbie". So I said (not really thinking) "Wait, you dated Chuck?" and she looked like she wanted to kill him for saying that. The gossip circle was complete. He went into Hector the Protector mode and started inquiring about my Harley experience so I backed down for now. He said I threw him under the bus but it wasn't on purpose.

 

[Yewki]

The worst thing about orbiters is that they genuinely feel entitled to have the girl(s) next.

You can't really get that mad though. It's like a mentally challenged kid spouting off about one day becoming the smartest person in the world... you just gotta roll with it. It would just be cruel not to.

 

[Starfvcks 64]

I love it when a girl has a BF at the beginning of the night, but somehow is "on a break" with him as we walk up to her apartment.

One time I was with a girl and she had just broken up with her BF. We were making out for a bit when her phone rang. She answered outside and talked for about 20 minutes, then came back inside. I said "things back on with your boyfriend?"
"yea"
"nice i'm glad it worked out"
and then we had sex.

and yea, never ask a girl if she has a boyfriend. it's irrelevant because she'll rationalize any excuse to do what she wants anyway.

 

[RangerMIke]

I was at a party last night and a Beta friend of mine (he really is a great guy, not bad looking, but he has crappy game) 'warned' me off a couple of women... one he told me was a lesbian, the other supposedly had a 'serious' boyfriend.... Got a date with the serious boyfriend girl next week, and made out with the 'lesbian' in the parking lot when I walked her to her car.

It's better not to ask them anything about whether they are single or not and presume they are interested based on their actions. Corey Wayne and the RSD guys never ask a girl if she has a boyfriend. For one it looks fvcking weak the second reason is that many girls will keep around their boyfriend until they find a suitable replacement.

If you escalate and they are playing along they are there for the taking.

If she doesn't have a wedding ring or a guy next to her with a finger up her p$ssy she's single.

Yep... this is what I do as well. Women will let you know if they aren't available you don't need to ask. If you are doing things right, and putting out the right vibe, they will know you are interested and they will drop boyfriend, husband hints if they want you to back off.

I will flirt with married women as well because it helps me keep my center, nothing will ever happen, but you really have to keep the habit of treating all women the same that way you don't screw up with women you really want. Besides, married women absolutely LOVE the attention and flirting with them is really fun. Most men treat them like the plague and if you are at a party and you are acting like this, the women there will pick up on that and just figure you are a flirty guy. So they will let you get away with stuff that you might not otherwise. You can get away with touching them very early and can escalate quickly when their emotions are engaged.

Heck one of the married women I was flirting with drug me over to the 'serious boyfriend' woman and told me "You two need to hook up." and introduced us. Married women you flirt with WILL HELP YOU OUT.

They'll say to themselves "Oh, that's just Mike, he does this with everyone." Your behavior is not threatening because this is just how you are, but if you do things right. Later, they are naked in your bed thinking "OMG, I never do this, I don't know what came over me!"