NAWALT v. AWALT v. SWABTO

[beforeimgone]

There are some acronyms floating in the redpill-osphere (coined term). NAWALT, AWALT, SWABTO. I'm going to explain to you the mindset that I have and why.










NAWALT - stands for 'not all women are like that.' This mindset is the weakest of them all and is had by weak/uninitiated men. This mindset comes from the belief that there is some special unicorn out there that will be everything that you have ever wanted. It also comes from the belief that the woman that ripped your heart out is just one bad apple out of millions. Hope is good, but placing your hope in women to be everything that you're looking for is incorrect. Don't do this.





AWALT - stands for 'all women are like that.' This mindset is decidedly stronger than NAWALT , but reeks of bitterness. If you believe in this, you will get more women than the NAWALT guy due to your belief that all women are the same. This will lead to a new confidence in your abilities and the ability to brush off the negatives that happen in your relationships with women. AWALT makes you a better and more confident man, but it isn't real confidence because this belief hides you from the truth and provides comfort that you'll need to abandon if you want to be great. Although this is leaps and bounds better than NAWALT, it holds you back from developing any further because your answer for everything that doesn't go as planned is AWALT. No curiosity = No Improvement. This isn't the belief that you should have unless you're just now opening your eyes to the ways of women. Keep going





SWABTO - stands for 'some women are better than others. ' This mindset is much more superior than NAWALT and AWALT - if you've passed through the other phases first. Reason being, NAWALT is weak and AWALT forces you into a rigid mindset. With AWALT, you are held back by the belief that all women are the near same emotionally and if anything bad happens in your dealings with them; you won't ask any questions because you already have your answer. AWALT. With SWABTO, you are able to see that there are outliers and are able to have more fun, loosen up. and go with the flow a lot more. It also lets you see women for what they really are instead of pigeonholing them; however, the problem with this belief is that if you forget your teachings and get too comfortable, you run the risk of ruining everything. Game has a chance of running full circle on you and you may possibly become beta again - until she cheats on you, and you revert back to AWALT. Almost, but not good enough. Superlatives are always wrong - did you catch that?





The method i choose out of all of these is - NONE. NONE stands for neither of these. I have passed through the bitter phase. I've found that some women are better than others, but I don't subscribe to SWABTO because I'm not hoping for a unicorn - i have no optimism for women. I view each of them objectively and read as much as i can until i know their personality. I believe that women and men are carnal creatures. Women respond to absolute conviction as do men. If you have unshakable frame and absolute conviction, you will be able to seduce whatever sex you desire - you'll uncover much more hidden attraction. In today's world, women are less in touch with themselves. They are less cerebral, but more carnal. They rarely think past what they feel in the moment. Personally, if I found a woman that could i would think that she has either rode the carousel for years or just isn't into me as much as i'd like.



Subscribing to any of the aforementioned acronyms will leave you lacking. What I suggest is developing standards and sticking to them. Make those standards realistic and based off of logic ie no sluts, total respect, etc. Screen every single female of interest against those standards and never compromise them - do not help her fit your standards. The women that fall short, plate them. The women that fit your standards(after one year of consistently fitting them), plate her while giving her the hope of something more. Maybe even allow her to call you her boyfriend. Currently, i'm in the head space of not wanting to give women any commitment. I offer them the opportunity to work for a title, but i don't entertain hope of monogamy. I ask for the world and give very little in return. I'll never compromise my beliefs for a single woman, but if my belief limits me on a consistent basis, i'll change it.



In closing, Love isn't real - or at least what you think it is. Love is a tool to control you and a word to bind you. Love is a weapon for you to wield so you can weasel out of tight situations and get more out of your female of interest. Love is a game and women play to win. I play to win. Do you?



Stay Icy

https://icecoldtruths.blogspot.com/2017/09/nawalt-v-awalt-v-swabto-v-neither.html

 

[zekko]

NAWALT - stands for 'not all women are like that.' This mindset is the weakest

I disagree with this. I think you are making too many assumptions when you are talking about these terms.
For instance, you say that when someone says NAWALT, that means they believe in a unicorn, and I don't think that's the case at all. NAWALT just means what it says. I find that most of the PUA community use NAWALT as a way to dismiss any women that do not conform to their stereotype.

I think AWALT is the weakest mindset, because it puts all women in the same box.

I personally most closely identify with the SWABTO mindset, because that's what i observe in reality. It doesn't mean I believe in a unicorn, but rather that some women engage in worse behaviors than others, or to a greater degree. Some girls are better suited as girlfriend material than others. That doesn't mean she'll never stab you in the back. Nobody's perfect, but if all women were exactly the same, there would be no reason to screen.

 

[sosousage]

so many stupid terms are brought on this forum. why bother?

 

[beforeimgone]

I disagree with this. I think you are making too many assumptions when you are talking about these terms.
For instance, you say that when someone says NAWALT, that means they believe in a unicorn, and I don't think that's the case at all. NAWALT just means what it says. I find that most of the PUA community use NAWALT as a way to dismiss any women that do not conform to their stereotype.

I think AWALT is the weakest mindset, because it puts all women in the same box.

I personally most closely identify with the SWABTO mindset, because that's what i observe in reality. It doesn't mean I believe in a unicorn, but rather that some women engage in worse behaviors than others, or to a greater degree. Some girls are better suited as girlfriend material than others. That doesn't mean she'll never stab you in the back. Nobody's perfect, but if all women were exactly the same, there would be no reason to screen.

Most nawalt guys come from a place of defending women. There's no reason to defend them for fvcking you.

 

[Trainwreck]

You don't know wtf you are talking about. First, you're skewing the definition of NAWALT. This actually references that some women are bad and not to dwell on the bad ones which is common sense in my judgement. Labeling women in one category is AWALT which can either mean you are a novice that hasn't left his mom's house and believes in the Disney bullshvt or you're the bitter mgtow red pill loser whining on the internet over some tinder girl that stopped responding.

 

[beforeimgone]

You don't know wtf you are talking about. First, you're skewing the definition of NAWALT. This actually references that some women are bad and not to dwell on the bad ones which is common sense in my judgement. Labeling women in one category is AWALT which can either mean you are a novice that hasn't left his mom's house and believes in the Disney bullshvt or you're the bitter mgtow red pill loser whining on the internet over some tinder girl that stopped responding.

U mad?

 

[Fruitbat]

Are AMALT?

Definately not true. Men are diverse as shyt. Look at the range of opinions on here.

The problem begins and ends in looking at patterns.

 

[cola]

The truth:

Few women are inherently bad people.

More times than not when a guy gets screwed its the guys fault. He probably has one of these issues.

A.) He is ignorant about how to handle women. He panders, spoils her despite bad behavior and is soft.
Everything that turns a woman off.

B.) He trys to force something that should have been cut off way sooner.

C.) He has bad energy, poor screening, low self esteem and somehow attracts women that are looking for guys like that to prey on.

D.) You suck in bed and she resents you for it.

E.) He deals with women with lukewarm interest, possibly receives sympathy sex from one of them and falls in love like an idiot.

Also I have met several people from the pua community in person. One a co-worker who just so happened to be into it, a couple from my areas RSD Facebook page.The one person I linked up with from here was cool.
Just had a stressful life and it showed in his interactions with women & people in general.
Had a hard time " letting loose".. You know who you are and I hope you are less stressed in your new situation.

Anywho, I really hope this doesn't sound condescending, however majority of "pua community guys" who I don't consider myself a member of, have been awkward, lacked basic level social skils, had an unhealthy infatuation with pick up and it was perfectly clear within 5 minutes why they struggled with women..

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

AMALT - All MGTOWs Are Like That.

The weakest guys are actually those who are so undesirable that they have to label every woman on Earth under pathetic umbrella terms, to satiate their own depression.

 

[beforeimgone]

The truth:

Few women are inherently bad people.

More times than not when a guy gets screwed its the guys fault. He probably has one of these issues.

A.) He is ignorant about how to handle women. He panders, spoils her despite bad behavior and is soft.
Everything that turns a woman off.

B.) He trys to force something that should have been cut off way sooner.

C.) He has bad energy, poor screening, low self esteem and somehow attracts women that are looking for guys like that to prey on.

D.) You suck in bed and she resents you for it.

E.) He deals with women with lukewarm interest, possibly receives sympathy sex from one of them and falls in love like an idiot.

Also I have met several people from the pua community in person. One a co-worker who just so happened to be into it, a couple from my areas RSD Facebook page.The one person I linked up with from here was cool.
Just had a stressful life and it showed in his interactions with women & people in general.
Had a hard time " letting loose".. You know who you are and I hope you are less stressed in your new situation.

Anywho, I really hope this doesn't sound condescending, however majority of "pua community guys" who I don't consider myself a member of, have been awkward, lacked basic level social skils, had an unhealthy infatuation with pick up and it was perfectly clear within 5 minutes why they struggled with women..

The majority of guys are weak. Give them a whiff of pvssy and they're in love. Part of the problem is considering themselves a pua

AMALT - All MGTOWs Are Like That.

The weakest guys are actually those who are so undesirable that they have to label every woman on Earth under pathetic umbrella terms, to satiate their own depression.

Not necessarily. They're able to see the truth - or at least part of it. It's more weak to ignore the truth

 

[zekko]

You don't know wtf you are talking about. First, you're skewing the definition of NAWALT. This actually references that some women are bad and not to dwell on the bad ones which is common sense in my judgement.

I agree with you. However, I think PUAs came up with NAWALT as a shaming tool. They want to say that all women are bad, and use NAWALT to dismiss people who come up with examples to the contrary. Another form of this is "The exception proves the rule".

That said, I'm not sure what actual percentage of women are "bad". It could be 20%, it could be 95%.

 

[skinnyguy]

The truth:

Few women are inherently bad people.

More times than not when a guy gets screwed its the guys fault. He probably has one of these issues.

A.) He is ignorant about how to handle women. He panders, spoils her despite bad behavior and is soft.
Everything that turns a woman off.

B.) He trys to force something that should have been cut off way sooner.

C.) He has bad energy, poor screening, low self esteem and somehow attracts women that are looking for guys like that to prey on.

D.) You suck in bed and she resents you for it.

E.) He deals with women with lukewarm interest, possibly receives sympathy sex from one of them and falls in love like an idiot.

Also I have met several people from the pua community in person. One a co-worker who just so happened to be into it, a couple from my areas RSD Facebook page.The one person I linked up with from here was cool.
Just had a stressful life and it showed in his interactions with women & people in general.
Had a hard time " letting loose".. You know who you are and I hope you are less stressed in your new situation.

Anywho, I really hope this doesn't sound condescending, however majority of "pua community guys" who I don't consider myself a member of, have been awkward, lacked basic level social skils, had an unhealthy infatuation with pick up and it was perfectly clear within 5 minutes why they struggled with women..

Not really. Women are the ones who flake, lie, and play games. Saying that "men aren't alpha enough" is letting women off the hook for bad behavior. Plenty of alphas get treated like crap by women. Just look at all the divorces.

 

[rivernorth]

Plenty of alphas get treated like crap by women. Just look at all the divorces.

truth. marriages and divorces can be bad enough to gut a natural alpha. natural chad, president of this, captain of that, tall, muscular.... classic alpha... 5 years into an unsupportive marriage and he's insecure. 10 years into it.... he's a shell of his former self..... desperate, fat, unfocused, begging for attention with the feeble remnants of his once robust charm. this is based on specific relationships I've seen, not speculation.

crux of the problem is that these alphas have chosen high status wives who are basically competitive and unsupportive. as an "elite" himself he chooses an elite partner without paying enough attention to her character (specifically her ability to give genuine admiration which is a common emotional need)..... he chooses an ex-model, a woman with a high status family and elite social connections, some high status career woman who is intellectual arm-candy..... they may start out as equal "elites"..... but this type of woman may create a hyper critical home environment which can wear down even a natural alpha to dust.

not that everyone has the goal of marriage, but alphas can definitely choose damaging partners.

 

[cola]

Not really. Women are the ones who flake, lie, and play games. Saying that "men aren't alpha enough" is letting women off the hook for bad behavior. Plenty of alphas get treated like crap by women. Just look at all the divorces.

I call bs on this one.. A real "alpha" wouldn't even stay in a 5-10 year bad marriage .. He would be gone at the first signs of f*ckery.
Its so few alphas left these days, you've probably never even met one.

Here is something millenials can't seem to grasp, and I hate my generation because of it..
Very few bad things that happen to you in life are not your fault in some way or another..
Nothing is any ones fault according to this generation..

Can't get a job after college? 9x out of 10 picked a dumb major or suck at selling yourself.

Women don't want you because you're fat and out of shape? Put the f*cking chips and cookies down.

Have no money saved? Eat f*cking tuna and ramen till your satisfied with your savings account.

If you let a 5'4 140 lb woman break you down and take away your self esteem you are a p*ssy and not suited to play the game of survival of the fittest.
Point blank, period.

First of all a woman, wife or not shouldn't even be that high on your priority list to "break you down".. She should be somewhere behind your hobbies, work and fitness goals.

Women don't even want to be first priority in your life because women want winners.
You can't win by losing focus on life every time your wife has a temper tantrum.
Ignore the b*tch and if that don't work divorce her.

 

[rivernorth]

I call bs on this one.. A real "alpha" wouldn't even stay in a 5-10 year bad marriage .. He would be gone at the first signs of f*ckery.
Its so few alphas left these days, you've probably never even met one.

a millionaire lawyer in nyc wouldn't be a real alpha? who was also president of his college fraternity (althletic fraternity with the captains of most sports teams), he himself was captain of the football team (only division 3, but still), football position was defensive linebacker and he was 6'2" and 220 lbs..... that's not alpha?

story time: this successful fellow wifed up the top female student at his law school. she was the kind of go-getter who worked with celebrity clients and high profile charity work. law school was a top ten.... one of the lower tier ivy league schools. he was elite, she was elite...... two nyc lawyers living the dream..... except that dream turned to nightmare.

she was too alpha..... too competitive.... and not meeting his sechs needs by a long shot..... that marriage lasted 5 years or so (no children)..... but ended in a way that also trashed his career. his work place affair with some sloot that got preggo. that turmoil (remember wifey is a high status lawyer herself) got him fired just as he was climbing the ladder of success. he was a millionaire lawyer..... not sure if he still is a millionaire... kind of doubt it as he was unable to get hired by a top law firm again due to his unprofessional work place drama. his career was trashed.

okay, he wifes up preggo sloot..... here is where things continue to go off the rails.... they have 3 children. I don't know her but can't imagine she is a supportive wife because his facebook profile just looks sadder with each passing year. he is fat, desperate for attention, lives vicariously through his children's "success" (um, piano recital?) they are still married 15 years now....... his identity is being a good father. that's it.

it's only going to get worse when his boys become teenagers.

as a teen, he was a natural chad banging out virgins when his family would vacation on cruise ships...... so to identify with his children is only going to become more bitter as they rise in life and he continues to be a sad sack... likely he's already an alcoholic.

this is a gen x story not millennial.

moral: elite women don't necessarily make good partners.

I know other examples with the bitchy ex-model, etc.

edit: 5 years of marriage and insecure, 10 years a shell of former self.... my comment was a summary for several different relationships.... so maybe that's why it was confusing.