Mystery Method Updated - Our Game

[Pap]

The 7 steps are the foundation of how men and women interact from first meet to sex. The new Mystery Method is constantly in my head while I am interacting with women. It allows me to have a model in my head of when to shift gears from ATTRACT mode to QUALIFYING to RAPPORT to SEDUCE.

TylerDurden of mASF (fastseduction.com) used numbers to show the self-esteem levels of the HB and PUA. Although you have mastery of the Method, I’d like to add a few critiques of the diagram and elaborate to more thoroughly explain the Mystery Method to the seduction community brothers on the board.

1. FIND [PUA (How HB Views PUA), HB (Her Self-Esteem level)]

Look around and find a particularly attractive girl. If you are in a nightclub, you'll often find the worthy girl in groups. Ideally, pawn some girls off...make instant pivots...so you'll have some social proof. Pawning is especially useful in a 2-set, whether the pawn is a pivot or wing.

If you are a particularly gorgeous guy, the HB may be immediately attracted to you. You may also find a lone wolf during the daytime, where simply opening is attractive and fascinating the the HB. In these cases, you usually start with RAPPORT mode. However, below are the steps most PUAs face in the bars/clubs.

2. APPROACH [PUA (5-6), HB (9-10)]

Open her and/or her set and start the conversation. You may follow the Tao of Stevie with a NEO or one of TD's C&F opener or blow it up with something really unique (Mystery's magic, crappy sketch, or even dancing if on the dancefloor). [Check out my future Dance Club Method post for a linear D-floor system]

When you open a girl at a bar of particularly high beauty, her value of herself will be high (in TD's graph...maybe a 10) and in her eyes, you will be lower than her (in TD's graph...maybe a 1...for generally exaggerated purposes). You must change this by shifting into ATTRACT mode.

3. ATTRACT [PUA (9-10), HB (5-6)]

Demonstrate higher value with your sense of humor, confidence, attitude, creativity, and social proof...while simultaneously negging, teasing, using push/pull, takeaway body-language, and conveying your personality. Show that you are a wonderful guy, different from the rest.

While you are demonstrating what a catch you are, the hot babe will give you more regard and respect. Simultaneously, you tease the girl and are playful, which shows that unlike most guys at the bar, you don’t put her on a pedestal…you are the prize, not her. This will knock her off her pedestal fast.

You do this right and you will be viewed as MONEY!!! C&F frames will definitely help you to build your value up above hers in the social dynamics of the nightclub/bar/group. Calibrate when you have done enough value conveyance and begin to qualify her.

4. QUALIFY [PUA (8-9), HB (6-7)]

Demonstrate to the girl you notice something about her (other than her looks) attractive to you. You can do this with a compliment or simply open conversational threads about mutually important and fascinating topics. Let her know how much you are enjoying talking about with her.

Do this if you genuinely find there is something about the girl that is attractive to you...if not, eject, buddy. After you have qualified her, the girl will feel like she has value to you and that you respect her as a person. Now, it's time to focus on deeper levels of rapport.

5. RAPPORT [PUA 7-8, HB (7-8)]

Develop a common ground, share a secret and/or childhood experience, work on a "yes" ladder. When you find you share opinions, say "Me too!" Find out about who she is and lead the conversation with subjects that are fun to talk about. Elicit her values and be a good story-teller.

It's time to show this girl that you have a lot in common, you are a conversationalist virtuoso, and share a positive attitude, spirit, and have a lot going for you that she wants to find out more about. You guys really like each other...kiss her...makeout...have fun...and seduce her.

6. SEDUCE [PUA (8-9), HB (8-9)]

Get her isolated, phase-shift into sexual state if you haven't done this. If you've been making kissing...keep doing it. Project your sexuality. Make your SOI known. Escalate kino into more personal areas. Start thinking about where to have sex. Bring up sensual topics.

If you know Speed Seduction, this is a good place to use those skills. If not, work on projecting your sexual state with your body language, confidence, and if congruent with your personality, you may want to go caveman, and lead the intereaction towards sex with your body language/kino.

7. SEX [PUA (10), HB (10)]

It's time for the act...the inevitable...sex!!! This is where you both share the passion you have for each other. Be creative in bed, enjoy the experience, make it something that both of you can look back on and enjoy the memory of it. And, most importantly, use a condom.

Now that you have had sex, both of you feel like 10s. It was an amazing experience that you both really wanted to have happen. Tell your sex partner that you really enjoyed the experience, thank her for sharing such a wonderful moment, and make the decision to keep it a one-night stand OR start the foundation for a successful relationship.

 

[SexPDX]

Hey, Papa! Welcome to another world! Haha!

MM is not widely understood here and I am not an MMer myself but I have made references to MM and Mystery's ideas on this board before. Hopefully you can help out with that.

BTW, nobody here gets what a neg hit is all about. You may have to clarify that. The problem is that if you don't get MM (at least a little bit) you don't get what negging really is.

Guys, I have not met Pap yet but lots of people have and I hope I will someday. The rest of you on this board might find this hard to fathom but Pap has WAY more intensity for the game than even I do. He's one committed dude. Maybe it's just a thing with guys named Nick, LOL!

Anyway, he's on this board now for whatever reason so I suggest you abuse him while you got him.

-PDX

 

[Ronin I]

How is this model different if it's a girl you're already dating (but haven't been able to bed yet)?

Can you elaborate on number 6?

 

[SexPDX]

Originally posted by Ronin I
How is this model different if it's a girl you're already dating (but haven't been able to bed yet)?

It's different because "dating" a woman you are not sleeping with is AFC. MM is an actual PU method. Different topics.

I think we talked about this over the phone, Pap, but I have a quibble with what MM calls "self-esteem". To assign point values to self-esteem based on what's going on in a highly-charged social situation reflects an underlying ethos of self-esteem being something that stems entirely from how you are percieved by others. Personally, I believe the people who base their sense of self on such things actually have very low self-esteem.

This isn't to say that the model is not useful for PUing a particular kind of woman in a particular kind of situation because it definitely is and many guys get laid doing this. However, my target audience and approach to the game is different.

-PDX

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by SexPDX
It's different because "dating" a woman you are not sleeping with is AFC. MM is an actual PU method. Different topics.

So what you're saying is you won't "date" a woman unless you bang her the first night? Not sure I get your logic there.

So MM is an actual PU method designed to meet and get her in the sack upon the first meeting. Fair enough.

But don't you think there are at least some parallels?

 

[Unbridled_1]

This crap belongs in the "Unusual Techniques" forum, or better yet in a new forum called "Crap (by Pap) that unnecessarily complicates..."

It doesn't surprise me that PDX is involved in this BS. I know most of you on this site know better.

 

[SexPDX]

Originally posted by Unbridled_1

It doesn't surprise me that PDX is involved in this BS. I know most of you on this site know better.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

See what I put up with from time to time around here, Papa.

I promise you that there are some really cool guys around here. This board has a lot of variety, which is good, but a lot of people are very gaurded about new ideas, regardless of whether or not they work for people.

Unbridled_1, what "BS" are you saying I am involved in? If you think MM is crap, I already said that I am not a MMer. The free exchange of ideas among other guys in the game? You think that's crap? You need to get laid, buddy. It will put you in better spirits.

-PDX

 

[Unbridled_1]

PDX (or Tricknicky or any other names you may have used on this site),

Maybe, if and when you get a job, and find something to do in life besides post on many seductions sites, you will respect others who have a life.

I'm looking out for someone who comes on this site and starts reading this BS and it only causes them to take a step(s) backward.

 

[SexPDX]

Unbridled_1,

Maybe if/when your boys are finally introduced to the gene pool after having seen female genetalia for the first time since you were born you won't feel the need to come to seduction sites and declare how much more of a "life" you have than those who actually contribute to those sites.

-PDX

 

[Imbrondir]

Originally posted by Ronin I
So what you're saying is you won't "date" a woman unless you bang her the first night? Not sure I get your logic there.

So MM is an actual PU method designed to meet and get her in the sack upon the first meeting. Fair enough.

But don't you think there are at least some parallels?

I was curious about the same thing. Interesting post tho

 

[vectorz]

Welcome to the forum, PAP. Now you get to hear my whining on TWO different forums! Lucky you.

 

[Sisko]

Cool post... interesting.

 

[johnnyboy101]

Originally posted by Unbridled_1
This crap belongs in the "Unusual Techniques" forum, or better yet in a new forum called "Crap (by Pap) that unnecessarily complicates..."

It doesn't surprise me that PDX is involved in this BS. I know most of you on this site know better.

I don't know that much about Mystery Method, but Papa is an interesting and informed poster on mASF.

Perhaps you should try going there. Although there are occasional pearls of wisdom on this place, it is full of depressed virgins who know it all "in theory" but never in practise.

Thanks to mASF, I have been introduced to and used successfully on many occasions now Gunwitch, a bit of Juggler, takeaways, C&F, kino, patterning, etc. I've only been there since January, and I would have not progressed anywhere near as quickly or successfully if I had spent the last four months here.

Anyone with a basic interest and ability in seduction knows you only date women you are sleeping with. You meet the ones you are not. The dating frame is the loser frame.

 

[Ronin I]

Anyone with a basic interest and ability in seduction knows you only date women you are sleeping with. You meet the ones you are not. The dating frame is the loser frame.

Ok yet another tough guy who doesn't elaborate.

What exactly does this mean - if you don't bang the chick on the first night you get rid of her?

Or your sole purpose of pursuing a chick is to get laid?

Not sure I understand where you guys are coming from with this "dating frame is the loser frame." Do you measure yourself by how many notches you have on your bedpost?

Personally I guess I want different things at this point.

I'm looking to find a worthy woman for a LTR. If this means that I don't get laid right away, so be it.

But if you only stick with the chicks that put out right away won't you just be left with a horde of sluts? (I don't care how good you think you're game is).

I do agree with you that the quality of posts on this board is piss-poor to say the least. Too much bullsh*t and irrelevant posts/polls etc.

 

[Batman407]

quit hating guys.....

don't snub anything until you try it at least once.

 

[Oscar Wilde]

guys, give us more info or links or something (where's your forum at?).

Osc.

 

[SexPDX]

Originally posted by Ronin I
[What exactly does this mean - if you don't bang the chick on the first night you get rid of her?

Or your sole purpose of pursuing a chick is to get laid?

Not sure I understand where you guys are coming from with this "dating frame is the loser frame." Do you measure yourself by how many notches you have on your bedpost?

Some guys may measure themselves by that, but it's not where we are coming from with what we are saying about the dating frame.

You don't necessarily need to have sex with her the first night. You could have an additional meeting or sometimes a few after you first meet her and it's still appropriate. But you don't want to FRAME the things you do with her as a date.

An activity that has the look and feel of a traditional "date" is something women percieve as courtship. The implication in courtship is that she is the prize. For this reason PUA's like to avoid the look and feel of a traditional date in the activities they do with a woman. For starters, this means not CALLING it a date.

Once you have had sex with her it's different. Being generous to a woman is fine once it's been established that she is attracted to you and you are getting what you want from her. Otherwise, it's supplication.

I hope that clears things up.

-PDX

 

[Ronin I]

Originally posted by SexPDX
Some guys may measure themselves by that, but it's not where we are coming from with what we are saying about the dating frame.

You don't necessarily need to have sex with her the first night. You could have an additional meeting or sometimes a few after you first meet her and it's still appropriate. But you don't want to FRAME the things you do with her as a date.

An activity that has the look and feel of a traditional "date" is something women percieve as courtship. The implication in courtship is that she is the prize. For this reason PUA's like to avoid the look and feel of a traditional date in the activities they do with a woman. For starters, this means not CALLING it a date.

Once you have had sex with her it's different. Being generous to a woman is fine once it's been established that she is attracted to you and you are getting what you want from her. Otherwise, it's supplication.

I hope that clears things up.

-PDX

Yes, that clears things up completely. Thanks.

Funny this is kind of how I've always operated intuitively. I never ask a girl on a traditional "date" right off the bat. It's always been "I'm going to such and such place with such and such people so you should come".

Anyway, I agree then that the dating frame is the loser frame.

 

[johnnyboy101]

It's not meant to be a tough guy frame.

If meeting a woman for the first time, I never think of it as a date. It is a meeting to establish whether I will find her of sexual and/or emotional interest or not. I am not going there to impress her with my AFCness or neediness - I am going there to make a subjective judgement on this woman.

Hence, no dinner-buying (even if we are going out for dinner), no paying for the drinks all night, no paying for the clubs all night. It is a meeting of two equals.

I am not "taking her out". We have agreed to meet each other.

"Dating" is where the man supplicates and tries to "nice" his way into the affections of a woman through the conventional means demanded by women. That's not a game I want to play.

BTW, if a woman describes it as a date, I will specifically tell them it is not a date as she is not my girlfriend. I only take girlfriends out on dates. I say we are meeting to see if we get on mono-a-mono and have a laugh. Most women are intrigued enough by my point of view and are not put off meeting me - it makes me different.

And if one thing mASF teaches you, it is "what makes you different gets you noticed".

 

[Ded_Skin_Mask13]

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MOST OF WHAT WAS BEING SAID ON YOUR POST, PLEASE CLARIFY........