My thoughts so far on TBD, RSD, and PUA

[amazingswayze]

I first came to this site looking for a magic pill. I thought my love life was a disaster. I wanted to learn how to get girls. I discovered the world of PUA. Not saying SoSuave is a PUA site, but there are some similarities between both communities.

A little while ago, one of the posters on this forum wrote about Tyler from RSD. His videos really interested me. It was a great supplement to the written material on this site. I realized there's more to RSD Nation than PUA itself. It's about self-actualization.

Pick up artists are full of crap. That's not the life I want to live. Are they even happy? I want to love my life and attract women. I want them to be drawn to my reality. I want to be the best possible version of myself.

Tyler focuses more on BEING, not DOING. Big difference. Everything he teaches for the most part is inner game. I've yet to learn a pick-up line from his videos.

What I've recently come across, is Tyler's masterpiece, "The Blueprint Decoded". I didn't know what it was. Turns out it's a 20 DVD series. I haven't seen the whole thing but if you want you can find the individual DVD's on google.

These concepts he teaches are changing the way I think. It's thought provoking. One example I can recall is something he calls the 'Indifference Threshold'. When learning any new skill, you start off practically clueless. With enough experience, you can reach mastery. The in-between is the 'Indifference Threshold'. Basically what he teaches is that you will always be nervous, and doubt your abilities the first time you do something. Take cold approach for example. You probably have or will get rejected the first time you cold approach. You just don't know. You will once reach a certain point with any skill though, where you realize it's not such a big deal. That's the threshold. Thought patterns become understanding. You just know what to do. You don't have to think about it anymore.

That may be hard to follow for some of you. It's hard to explain. You gotta just watch.

RSD (Real Social Dynamics) is helping me become the person I want to be. Soon enough, I will internalize these theories and be happier with the person I am. That's self-actualization. We all have a long way to go.

Let's keep it moving.

 

[Libreman]

RSD is BS, seriously.

I'm assuming those guys were bullied, lacked self-esteem (or whatever) and decided to build a whole thing around it.

This is what you do. (Being 17, you're at a HUGE advantage to finding our/working on these things at such a young stage in life).

You focus on yourself - other people will love this and cling to you.

You ignore 'methods', 'tricks', 'systems', 'guides', etc.

You get fit. You get smart. You get ambitious. (This helps you ignore sloth, ignore stupidity, hate mediocrity.)

You monitor you habits. Stop bad habits, encourage and nurture good habits.

Girls will watch you, they will talk about you, then the brave ones will chase you.

Eventually, you can pick who you want.

 

[yun-j]

I'm assuming those guys were bullied, lacked self-esteem (or whatever) and decided to build a whole thing around it.

There seems to be a big market of guys who fall into this group.

 

[Libreman]

There seems to be a big market of guys who fall into this group.

Probably. It's best to ignore them tough. They've chosen to make their 'pain' their income. That whole scene is disingenuous.

People that are in school & college should be reminded that they are never going to feel 'comfortable' or 'solid' while their life is in a state of flux.

These rigid/robotic measures (RSD) will just send them down a negative path.

They should ignore them and just accept that at the beginning of their adult life - school/college/first jobs - that they will live as lots of different versions of themselves, until they settle into the groove that they enjoy the most.

And then, after they've found their groove, they'll enjoy a glorious journey where they thrive as the person they've chosen to be.

 

[skinnyguy]

RSD instructors are outcome dependent. Don't let them fool you.

Tyler goes out 7 nights a week. Which is good for him he makes money doing it. But the average guy shouldn't do that.

PUA is like a get rich quick scheme.

 

[amazingswayze]

I'm taking this too seriously

You guys have me feeling like I've been buying into something unnecessary. I know I'm exaggerating by saying this; but do you mean that RSD and PUA are some forms of mind control? That's a stretch, I know.

Regardless, you're all saying that my life will be in a constant state of change over the next few years so it's better that I focus on myself, adapt to the twists and turns, and work on my career?

This is good advice, really. I'm just bored and those videos are thought-provoking. I'm not doing myself any harm, right?

 

[zekko]

Libreman brings up a great point. No wonder adolescence and young adulthood can be so painful. How could it not be? You're in an unstable state where nothing is certain. You're working on setting yourself up for life, but you're not there yet.

Once you find your path and your life stabilizes, it's easier to be happier and more comfortable with yourself.

 

[HeadLightsOn]

Once you find your path and your life stabilizes, it's easier to be happier and more comfortable with yourself.

^^^ A(Fecking)men.

 

[RangerMIke]

I've watched some of the RSD videos and I think the balding redheaded dude is hilarious. Very entertaining. He does present how things really are in a funny way. There was one he did where he explained why a woman would be willing to share a man then to have a man-child all to herself. It was comic genius and spot on.

Having said all that. You really don't need the PUA stuff, just be the very best you can, work on yourself. If you have emotional hang ups go find a good shrink and work that sh!t out. Workout, pay attention to school/career, be and look the best you can... show you have respect for yourself. The stuff with women will just work itself out as long as you are patient with your progress.

You should NOT have the attitude that you are doing all this for women... which is the weakness of the PUA stuff, it's all focused on getting women. Do this for yourself. The way you get women is to do the things in life that make your life better. Then you try.... with women it's the same you won't have any success with women if you never try to get them out with you. Go go out and hit women up... date as many as will go out with you because that's what you want to do.

 

[ubercat]

I remember a scientific study on basic pua tricks. They found the tactics worked. So for outer game sure y not. For inner game mindfulness training and joining team sports is a proven way to stay calm and positive. Tyler is rubbish. The info density is low and the noise ratio is high. I think toddvand Julian r better and only for tactics.

 

[RangerMIke]

I remember a scientific study on basic pua tricks. They found the tactics worked. So for outer game sure y not. For inner game mindfulness training and joining team sports is a proven way to stay calm and positive. Tyler is rubbish. The info density is low and the noise ratio is high. I think toddvand Julian r better and only for tactics.

So I'm fascinated by this and the stuff coming out of the PUA community. And YES I do agree that much of what they teach does work, and if your goal is to sleep with lots of women.

But why put so much effort into building skills to get women, when if you just build your skills to have a better life, the women just come anyway.

The problem with the PUA community is that they are teaching you to behave in such a way that success is defined by acceptance of women.... this at it's heart is approval seeking behavior and poisons your soul. They teach you to be approval seeking, but to not appear that way.... see how fvcked up this is.

 

[Rave18]

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[zekko]

Some good advice from RangerMike in this thread.

Tyler is rubbish. The info density is low and the noise ratio is high.

Yeah, I was thinking that if The Blueprint is 20 DVDs, he could probably fit all the pertinent info on one or two, maybe five if you're long winded. I find this is true of most PUA stuff. They take 50 pages to tell you one important principle. Frigging edit yourself. But hey, they're trying to make money, so they have to make it look like they have a product to offer.

The problem with the PUA community is that they are teaching you to behave in such a way that success is defined by acceptance of women.... this at it's heart is approval seeking behavior and poisons your soul. They teach you to be approval seeking, but to not appear that way.... see how fvcked up this is.

I've always thought the community contradicted itself on this.
Lesson One: Don't do things to please women.
Lesson Two: Okay, we're going to completely change your personality so that it will please women. Throw everything you are and everything you believe in the trash, and we will tell you what to think in order to please women.

 

[skinnyguy]

PUA's prey on desperate and weak men.

Remember that game is for average to ugly guys. If you're in the top 10% in looks you won't need it.

Even if they say it's all to become a better man, why would you want to become a better man? To get women. so please, don't tell me it's about YOU and not women. If the end result didn't involve sex you'd just eat pizza all day and play video games.

 

[ubercat]

PUA scene is toxic for sure. But given u r improving yourself when yr our approaching y wouldn't u use the tactics. We have threads here on smooth lines, maintaining frame, getting past LMR etc. What's the difference? Point is most of the time all the tricks just give a woman who is attracted to u the excuse she needs. 'He played me' or 'he was so smooth' not I m a big slvt

 

[zekko]

Remember that game is for average to ugly guys. If you're in the top 10% in looks you won't need it.

Good point and totally agree, unless the top 10% looks guy has Aspergers or some other severe social problem.

Which reminds me of this exchange from Dumb and Dumber Too:
"Does Dr. Pinchelow happen to have Aspergers?"
"Probably. I know he doesn't wipe very well."

Even if they say it's all to become a better man, why would you want to become a better man? To get women. so please, don't tell me it's about YOU and not women. If the end result didn't involve sex you'd just eat pizza all day and play video games.

I do think that you can improve for yourself. For instance, if you improve your career or finances or build your business you get to enjoy the fruits of your labors. Money = Freedom.

But if your talking about learning gaming tactics, yeah that's to get women. There's nothing wrong with getting women though, women can greatly enhance your life. As long as you keep them in perspective, that they are all replaceable, and secondary to your mission.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Talking Loud and Saying Nothing

Not saying SoSuave is a PUA site, but there are some similarities between both communities.

Saying that SoSuave isn't a PUA site is like saying that the American League, (despite that designated hitter bullsh*t) isn't baseball. As much as dudes on here want to deny it, (for whatever reason that is,) SoSuave is a pickup site, even more so than RSD, for example here are the articles that are on the www.sosuave.com homepage, (a part of the site that you guys rarely if ever go to,)

10 Essential Flirting Moves You Must Know

If you're going to become more than "just friends" with a girl, you're probably going to have to do a little flirting here and there. WHAT? You don't know how to flirt? That's okay. You will after reading this.

How to Tell If a Girl Is Attracted to You

An interested girl is probably not going to approach you or tell you anything. But she will give signals. Very subtle signals. The key is knowing what to look for, what it all means, and how to proceed to the next step in your budding, soon-to-be-awesome relationship.

The Kiss of Death With Women

Perhaps the biggest MISTAKE guys make with women is obsessing over whether a particular girl likes them - or not. So how can you tell if she likes you? And what do you do once you find out?

The 7 Signs a Woman Wants to Be Approached

Some women are more open, friendly and approachable than others. Find out how to tell if a woman wants you to approach and talk to her... without getting rejected.

How to Talk to Women

You're never going to get anywhere with women if you don't know how to talk to them in an attractive and confident fashion. Learn the simple secrets of having GREAT conversations with women.

How to Become an Alpha Male - and Attract Girls Like Crazy

The alpha male gets all the girls. Learn how to use simple alpha male tactics to attract women to you like a magnet. Free 25 page special report!

and the kicker to so show what you wrote about So Suave not being a "pickup site,," is absolute and complete and total bullsh*t.

My Favorite Pickup Lines For Meeting Women

Are you looking for some smooth opening lines that you can use to meet more women? These pickup lines are among my personal favorites. I have yet to get a negative response from any of them.

and the wording under SoSuave.com is Learn the Secrets of Meeting, Dating and Attracting Women! Also, six of the sites ten forums are related to getting at chicks, but for some reason dudes are denial about what this sites intended purpose is, which is to give you the skill set to get better with women. I watched the RSD videos, went to a free boot camp, and I've hung out with dudes from the NYC secret lair, and I tell you from my own personal experience that RSD is a hellva lot more than pickup women. If anything it's SoSuave that's more of a pickup site than RSD will ever be.

A little while ago, one of the posters on this forum wrote about Tyler from RSD. His videos really interested me. It was a great supplement to the written material on this site. I realized there's more to RSD Nation than PUA itself. It's about self-actualization.

Pick up artists are full of crap. That's not the life I want to live. Are they even happy? I want to love my life and attract women. I want them to be drawn to my reality. I want to be the best possible version of myself.

Okay, who's doing this. I'm assuming that you've read The Game and those guys were creating a reality and living a life that they wanted to live. It just so happened that women were attracted to it.

RSD instructors are outcome dependent. Don't let them fool you.

No they're not.

Tyler goes out 7 nights a week. Which is good for him he makes money doing it. But the average guy shouldn't do that.

The average has a either a job or school to go, but he should get as much practice in as possible. What you're saying is analogous to telling a perspective law school or medschool student not to devote as much time possible studying for the LSAT or MCAT.

PUA is like a get rich quick scheme.

How is it "like a get rich quick scheme," when Tyler himself says it took him two years of going out every night to get proficient with women?

This is what you do. (Being 17, you're at a HUGE advantage to finding our/working on these things at such a young stage in life).

You focus on yourself - other people will love this and cling to you.

This absolute b.s. and doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. Would you tell socially awkward introvert to nonsense the day before an interview? "Focus on yourself and other people will gravitate towards you." What the f*ck does that even mean? Not a mutha****in' thing. If that were the case shy dudes who were focused on their work would be up to their ears in p*ssy.

You ignore 'methods', 'tricks', 'systems', 'guides', etc.

Women are attracted to certain traits and qualities in a man. We all agree on that point. However, if you are unfortunate to believe the social narrative as it pertains to women and romance, you're going to engage in certain behavior and do certain acts that is counterproductive to attracting women to you.

If you're a socially awkward introvert, you're going to not only rid yourself of the socially awkwardness, but you're going to have to learn some "methods," "tricks," "systems," and read some "guides," to acquire the requisite skill set to not only get, have sex with, but also keep a woman.

You get fit. You get smart. You get ambitious. (This helps you ignore sloth, ignore stupidity, hate mediocrity.)

You monitor you habits. Stop bad habits, encourage and nurture good habits.

Girls will watch you, they will talk about you, then the brave ones will chase you.

That's all well in good, but if you don't know how to conduct yourself with women, she's going to leave.

Probably. It's best to ignore them tough. They've chosen to make their 'pain' their income. That whole scene is disingenuous.

These rigid/robotic measures (RSD) will just send them down a negative path.

Have you even watched and RSD video?

Having said all that. You really don't need the PUA stuff, just be the very best you can, work on yourself.

I'm currently studying for the LSAT and I don't understand the logic games. Would you advice me not to go to one of those overpriced test prep courses, or just read and LSAT prep book and study on my own? You probably wouldn't.

Harry Willington, in this podcast,
Stop Losing Women Podcast #253: 7 Reasons to Consider a Dating Mentor breaks down rather succinctly why person should consider a dating mentor. What you guys don't want to accept is that in order to get good with women, you have to consult with somebody who is.

just be the very best you can, work on yourself.

This isn't going to give you the skill set that you need to get make women attracted to you.

If you have emotional hang ups go find a good shrink and work that sh!t out.

Here you're contradicting yourself. As it concerns emotional hangups, your saying go seek the help a trained psychologist, however when it comes to getting better with women, you're saying to ignore the advice and counsel of those who have proven themselves time and time again to be pull chicks. Also, I need to ask, how in the f*ck is a psychologist or a psychiatrist suppose to help a person that hasn't had success with women, get comfortable with them? That sir, was a dumb ass statement.

Workout, pay attention to school/career, be and look the best you can... show you have respect for yourself. The stuff with women will just work itself out as long as you are patient with your progress.

No it won't because no has nothing to do with the other.

You should NOT have the attitude that you are doing all this for women... which is the weakness of the PUA stuff, it's all focused on getting women.

Who is saying that PUA stuff is solely focused on getting women. What I'm seeing is some sluthate rhetoric here. The fact of the matter is that if the RSD detractors had the chance to live the lifestyle of the RSD instructors they would jump at the chance, or to really point out their hypocrisy, if they had a chance to go on an RSD boot camp, they would.

RSD and other PUA instructors have been in existence for a decade and you don't stay in business for a decade with a fraudulent product with little to no success rate and also the RSD detractors are offering no viable solutions other than just "lift weights, "be positive," and work on yourself.

 

[amazingswayze]

Let's be real.

Saying that SoSuave isn't a PUA site is like saying that the American League, (despite that designated hitter bullsh*t) isn't baseball. As much as dudes on here want to deny it, (for whatever reason that is,) SoSuave is a pickup site, even more so than RSD, for example here are the articles that are on the www.sosuave.com homepage, (a part of the site that you guys rarely if ever go to,)

RSD and other PUA instructors have been in existence for a decade and you don't stay in business for a decade with a fraudulent product with little to no success rate and also the RSD detractors are offering no viable solutions other than just "lift weights, "be positive," and work on yourself.[/b]

Damn Rex, you were passionate about this one. It's true. A lot of us on this site are in denial. Every approach is an attempt to pick up. Every night clubbing is an attempt to pick up. The list goes on. To an extent, the guys on these forums are PUA's. We just don't want to admit it. :yes:

 

[Libreman]

I guess Rex is invested in this nonsense.

Ask yourself this - what happened before the internet existed? How did people cope without lame youtube videos/DVDs to coach them through simple things?

They were natural.

Treating something a fluid as relationships and sex as if its some binary model is ridiculous.

All the RSD stuff is designed to empty your wallet.

 

[skinnyguy]

Everyone here knows that Rex masturbates to videos of Tyler every night.

He can't give us a single example of an Indian AFC who turned into a pvssy slayer as a result of RSD.

Julien and most other coaches are white and good looking.