My story... do I need to try to save the next guy?

The Stud

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Hi everyone, I'm learning!

First lesson: give up the chase. I am the prize. I do my own thing. This appeals to women so much that I get chased. Then I decide whether or not I reward the chase. Theory: got it. Practice: I'm designing my new habits. These new habits drive me to naturally succeed at what I love to do. Habit-building is the most important work I can do today, this year, this life. Gotta shovel out the crap from the past before there is room for great new ideas. New habits, people, and wonderful experiences are lined up, eager to get into my life. The show has started but the lobby doors aren't open yet because the janitor wasn't paying attention. Clean it up, open the doors, let what I deserve come to me!

About the ex. I finally realized the bitter breakup happened because she has a crazy idea that runs her life. The situation WAS crazy. It was crazy because she's crazy. I see that I used to believe in craziness from a crazy person. I get upset when I see that. I'm not crazy to get upset about that.

Her crazy idea is that if she has something against someone, it's better to lie and withhold it so she won't "hurt" them. Manipulation and deception are forms of loving care in her world. Sure there are good psychological reasons from her having been abused as a child. It looks like there are implications that haven't yet been addressed in her therapy. That's sad and I hope that inner child gets to feel loved so she can heal, etc. I'm not a trained pscyhologist, and it's not my responsibility to fix that problem.

I chased and chased her and couldn't figure out why I used to get a response, but then I didn't get a response. Then I had to move out of town for work, and I chased and chased after her (by phone and letter and email) for a reason that never came. I also chased and chased my own tail to try to find my hidden psychological issue. What issue in me must have really deserved that rejection? Then she finally told me something, after rushing to get engaged to someone else. She had decided a long time ago she didn't want to be with me, but she thought it would "hurt to much" to tell me. Then I chased and chased her more to try to get her to admit this rule of hers is insane and always causes pain.

Then I learned what abuse is really all about. She was trained by the experts. She knows how to assume you know all about the evil in another person's mind. She knows how it's kind to not let them know that you they are so evil, until you blow up at them one bizarre day. I learned that each random incident seems like some strange communication problem, until you see that they are all the same pattern. I learned that relief comes when you deny that pattern any right to run YOUR life. Give up debating each individual bizarre reason for that day's rejection.

I gave up the chase. I am fine with never again talking to her, seeing her, or hanging out with any of the mutual friends. They either totally believe her and think I'm a jealous nut, or they believe she screwed me over but it would hurt too much to tell her the truth. Yeah, I see why those friendships are so strong! I give up the fight. Her desire to think of me as evil is more powerful than my desire to hope she can think well of me. I lose her. She wins whatever it's worth to her to have me accept the fact that she thinks I'm evil. I get to stop the arms race and move on. She gets to keep living with those evil ideas in her mind. I come out ahead, even if I lose her war!

Got that figured out but I need some advice. On to my next post.
 

The Stud

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Here's my question for y'all

Here's where I can use some advice.

She dumped a lot of crap into my ear about how much she dislikes her fiancee, is fed up with his crap, can't stand his problems and issues, is rushing into the marriage to suit her biological clock rather than her vision of a perfect life for her. She also told me that she is deliberately withholding all this crap from him. Guess why? It would hurt him too much to hear the truth! Meanwhile he thinks everything is going great and she is nuts about him! She's nuts alright!

Do I have an obligation to confront her that I refuse to keep her secrets AGAINST her fiancee? Do I have an obligation to tell him she's being more emotionally intimate with me than with him about how she really feels about him? Do I have a responsibility to intervene and try to keep him from the hell I went through? Does his right to be fully informed about his marriage override my right to break off all contact?

The marriage is in two weeks... if I act, I need to act fast.
 

Chaghatai

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you need to figure out why you want to do what you want to do....is it out of sincere concern for the feelings of this other guy? is it outta a desire to see this crazy chick not get away with *it* Do you want them to fail so you could step in later? These issues need to be addressed. Obviously the last one is a really bad thing, because knowing how crazy she is, you should be running screaming in the other direction, lol.

But finding out the deepest motivation will make actions more clear...ask yourself, what am I trying to get outta this?
 

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Re: Here's my question for y'all

Originally posted by The Stud


1. Do I have an obligation to confront her that I refuse to keep her secrets AGAINST her fiancee?
2. Do I have an obligation to tell him she's being more emotionally intimate with me than with him about how she really feels about him?
3. Do I have a responsibility to intervene and try to keep him from the hell I went through?
4. Does his right to be fully informed about his marriage override my right to break off all contact?

The marriage is in two weeks... if I act, I need to act fast.
First lesson: give up the chase. I am the prize. I do my own thing.

my answers:

1. uh no.
2. uh no.
3. uh no.
4. uh no.
 

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Her new fiance probably won't belive you anyway. You are the scorned ex-boyfriend. She's probably told him about how "crazy' YOU are.

You have NO obligation what so ever to either one of them. Why are you still speaking to this nutty chick anyway? Refuse her calls, e-mails & text messages. Leave her and her self-distructiveness to this other poor sap.
 

willtmail

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Sounds to me like you still want this chick - I think you are using the "obligation" line to get back at/with her. Let her go, man. Erase her from your phonebook, block her on AIM, just don't even think about her. And if you do - immediately think of something else.

And don't lie to yourself about being over her. If you are still thinking about her, you aren't over her. Believe me, I've been there.

Good luck.
 
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