My social experiment: Patrick Bateman persona

[LeMac]

This next week, I plan to go to a few parties...one or two at least. I'm going to try taking on a Patrick Bateman persona...I've already got many of the characteristics as part of my own personality, but I'm going to try to think like him in terms of...sex.

Why? Well...his character is very good with women. The various aspects of his facade make him more attracitve (aside from just physically). In addition, and here's the biggie, he's got a complete lack of concern regarding people. Um...he's got a superiority complex.

Er...if you're familiar with Art of Seduction, the section on Coquetry gives an example of Andy Warhol. I recall that it said he would generally be 'cold', and that in turn many fought quite hard for his attention, and he seduced many in this manner. Obviously, just being 'cold' isn't the whole story, but once you have a hardbody (inside joke...hopefully someone gets it) interested you...it's a lot easier from there.

Anyways, the idea is to basically BECOME him, aside from the killing and utter insanity. I'll update on how it works. His inner indiference radiates and attracts people to him...basic seduction priniciple. I want to see if it'll work, so I'm going to try it out and update.

I do have a question though: How do you think Patrick Bateman would open? With business partners and such that he meets its a simple, "Hi, I'm Patrick Bateman", and then the conversaiton is satircally about something mindless and boring. But with females...eh, I don't recall the book ever describing him seeing a hot woman and doing the actual pick up. So, in your opinion how would this go down?

 

[I'm Joe Dirt]

"Hi, I'm into murders and executions mostly" (mergers and aquisitions)

 

[Okra]

see how far being a sociopathic creep gets you.

 

[Okra]

here is a new one: why not develop your own persona?

 

[Wiesman44]

b/c his persona is probably crappy, which is why he's trying a new one out.......duh

 

[LeMac]

Originally posted by Deus ex Pianoforte
I have a feeling you will be fairly disappointed with the results for a number of reasons. One, I'm guessing you're not even close to as good-looking as Christian Bale. Aside from being in perfect shape, the guy has flawless facial features. This would be enough to attract women alone, even if he was a bumbling fool who constantly stumbles over his words. In addition, you must remember that he was a Vice President of a prestigious company. (Money + Power = Automatic Poontang). And lastly, it's a movie and this guy is a fictional character. If you said half the sh*t this dude said in the movie to an actual woman, not only would it spoil your chances with any worthwile chick, but it will probably get you slapped to boot. "You're a f*cking ugly b*tch. I want to stab you to death, and then play around with your blood." anyone? Fantastic movie, good luck with your experiment...I can't wait to hear what happens, heh.

I am attractive (probably in better shape that you, and most people you know, and not perfect facial features, but attractive nonetheless), though no, I'm not a rich powerful white guy.

The various psychotic things he says in the movie, people don't notice. It's a satire detailing the vanity and shallowness of 80s culture.

Tell me dumbasses, where have you heard this **** before:
-demonstrate higher value
-'hot' and 'cold'

That is the stuff that you morons suck up on this site. Well, Bateman is a character who has those traits down pretty well. He's not real, but he's representative of an actual person. It's easier to model your behavior off of an actual person (it doesn't particularly matter if he actually exists, as long as he COULD exist) rather than an abstract concept.

And don't give me BS about 'omg, why are you trying to be like a fake character'. What you don't understand is that although they aren't physically real, they are representative of real people, and they are created by real people.

To the dumbass who said I should 'have my own persona'...speak for yourself. If you've taken advice from articles on seduction, from this site, etc. then you are developing your persona from other people's ideas. Perhaps I was unclear, but I'm not attempting to literally be Bateman. But he does seem to be a good model in terms of certain DJ characteristics, so I'm going to use his persona in that respect.

Anyways, I appreciate the first reply. The rest of you are tools and morons.

 

[American_Psycho]

I've seen the movie a few times and just finished reading the book and enjoyed both quite a bit (obviously, look at my username). Like you I feel some similarity to Bateman's character in terms of lack of true emotion and disgust for the ignorance of others, but without homicidal rampages.

I'm not really sure how well his persona could be adapted to real life. Most of his conversations with girls are very awkward due to his detatchment from reality (his lunch date with his college girlfriend for example). I think his conversational tendency that would best translate to real situations would be the way he subtley makes fun of others ignorance without them realizing it, like when he tells the models that his friend went downstairs to sign a treaty with Gorbachev. You could say similar things if you're hitting on really dumb chicks, although it would be more for your own amusement than to make them attracted to you.

If you have an extensive knowledge of music, you could also try something similar to his monologue scenes with the prostitutes in the movie. I actually do this all the time because music is my biggest interest so I know a ridiculous amount about certain bands.

 

[Jariel]

And don't give me BS about 'omg, why are you trying to be like a fake character'.

The reason people tell you this is not to spoil your fun or keep you down, it's because most of us here have already tried this stuff before and found out it does not work...and can even be quite humiliating.

 

[brosnake]

LeMac: There are no girls with good personalities.

This is by far my favorite movie. I've seen it more than ten times all the way through. Nearly every single scene in this movie has some CLASSIC line. "I don't want to get you drunk, but, ah, that's a very fine Chardonnay you're not drinking." Indeed, I even know someone that has tried your experiment. He is (very?) good looking but not buff and he's not VP of a big company. He has probably seen this movie fifty (50) times (no joke).

The results: Most girls he mets for the first time think he's weird. And of course they do. He says few words but when he does speak its with a condescending sh1t grin on his face. He'll say something board-line offensive once in a while and it has a very polarizing effect on the girls. The vast majority of them think he's a prick while a select few laugh and think he is mysterious (or something, I have no idea of what girls are actually thinking). This select few is turned on by his seeming disregard for social convention and will gravitate toward him. However, they often lose interest quickly when they find out weeks (or months) later his real personality is not exactly congruent with the social self he portrays to others.


"He was into that whole Yale thing."

 

[American_Psycho]

I've also used the line where I tell girls I'm on a diet (I'm not) even though I'm thin and in good shape. They inevitably make some surprised comment about me being thin already, which I follow up with "You could always be thinner...Look better"

 

[organizedconfusion]

..don't listen to them.

trying out personas is a good way to experiment and find
ways to better your self-image and see what works and what
dosen't- real quick .
most people don't do this because it's tiring and can be discouraging. but going online or going out to taking a
personal survey before you make a move or try something
new out-for the sake of encouragment and feedback
is just a mistake. most people who have tried most likely
failed and the ones that make it work ..aren't online
'swapping seduction tips'.

creating a personalized self-image or a persona is an awesome
way to differentiate yourself from everyone else.
why?
because EVERYONE is inherently BORING.
deep down we all dwell on the same boring things,
wear the same different but boring clothes,
have the same boring jobs, drive the same boring
commute. we all like to think that we are different and
unique,but we are all really the same underneath.

taking full control of your self image is a powerfull way to
stand out from the crowd and get noticed and create
attraction without a word spoken sometimes.

all a persona is a public image,thats it-right?
so fine tune it and become the person you want to be
instead of not caring..just like everyone else..
all hokey dokey.

what makes one person radiate charisma and attraction
while another repells you just looking at them?

 

[LeMac]

Haha, awesome. Some good replies after some of those initial ones.

So...to the guy whose friend tried it...basically he came off as too condescending? "sh1t grin"

Well, I didn't really envision Bateman as being a blatantly condescending guy to everyone. To the prostitutes, those who he really didn't give a crap about, and the really stupid ones who didn't understand he was mocking them.

In the book, Jean describes how she's attracted to him because he comes off as being...eh, I forget the details but basically he comes off as being caring, sweet, yet forceful.

I forget if this line is in the book too, but in the movie he says "Don't wear that shirt again"...she is taken aback, but thinks she's misheard. It's clear she already has a bit of a crush on him. He follows with "Come on, you look better than that". I'd say that's a neg if I ever heard one.

In fact...I think a lot of his condescending remarks are done in a way that comes off as a neg.

And last thing, the major part of this experiment is my internal mindset. I think the biggest thing I'd hope to get out this is demonstrating higher value, and getting the mindset that girls are to qualify themselves to me. Thats the goal of all of us...and I thinik that that guy's friend may have failed because he crossed the line between 'getting girls to qualify themselves to US' and simply being a condescending jerk.


EDIT: Hey brosnake, can you recall what type of things he would say precisely, and which were taken as being funny, v. which made him seem like a prick.

 

[LeMac]

DAY 1

Well, today was Day 1. I did go out to a few stores earlier, but my focus wasn't females. I mainly was trying to get into the mindset.

Not particularly difficult...(if I didn't say this in the first post, I have strong narcissistic, even sociopathic tendencies to begin with)

I consciously reminded myself that I was better, more important than those I was dealing with at said stores. Kept my head up, maintained strong eye contact. There was a female clerk, a 5.5 maybe 6, and she was rather shy around me. This boosted me even more and I even had a smirk on my face as I checked out.

Yeah, not much to talk about today. If I don't go party tommorow then I'll go out in search of attractive women that I could have encounters with. (in other words...I want to see if I'm able to gleam with confidence, and a subtle sense of superiority and non-caring even with very attractive pepole)

Later in the week I'll work on the sarcasm, negging, etc.

 

[organizedconfusion]

just act like you 'own the place' everywhere you go and
you go it down.
have you ever seen a really snobby woman,but she was
beautyfull & she seemed to completly disregard
your presence and didn't even acknowledge you as a human
being? ice cold right?
thats the persona of a narassis and thats the persona
that that type of image represents.
ice cold

people may say that they hate them and that they
are snobby, but only because that persona
attacks their egos and people will see into it
as a personal attack on whatever flaw they have in
themselves ,because everyone will interprete
the coldness differently and personaly.

the mindset is easy...but it takes a toll on you.
you really have to NOT CARE about ANYONE...

 

[LeMac]

Originally posted by organizedconfusion
just act like you 'own the place' everywhere you go and
you go it down.
have you ever seen a really snobby woman,but she was
beautyfull & she seemed to completly disregard
your presence and didn't even acknowledge you as a human
being? ice cold right?
thats the persona of a narassis and thats the persona
that that type of image represents.
ice cold

people may say that they hate them and that they
are snobby, but only because that persona
attacks their egos and people will see into it
as a personal attack on whatever flaw they have in
themselves ,because everyone will interprete
the coldness differently and personaly.

the mindset is easy...but it takes a toll on you.
you really have to NOT CARE about ANYONE...

Do you think such a thing could be a benefit? Say you walk into a club or a party with the 'owning the place' attitude. Your not isolating yourself...you know people there, you're not just some random jerk loner with a bad atittude. However, you do make yourself hard to approach (but you are noticed).

So, say after establishing that YOU focus some of your attention on your target. She's already got the sense that you're important, better than her...your instantly in control.

That's how I'd view the use of such an ice cold attitude. Am I right?

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BTW, tommorow I'm going to set up something with one or two girls over the phone. Bateman's character is quite good at manipulating over the phone, and he maintains distance (he's usually got porn on in the backgroun, and is reading something while talking). I'm going to try to incorporate some of that.

 

[organizedconfusion]

i am just curious to know why there is alot of fascination and interest about this type of persona.
i have a natural coldness to my personality that has developed
through having a f*cked up life, thats pretty much it.
i am wondering why in the world someone thats not
f*cked up would want a personality that repells most people.

i know alot of people like me and that naturally have this type of
persona, and quite sadly they may project like they
have it all together and that they are a prize...
but they are some of the lonliest people i know of-
just be carefull what you choose to become.
because it's not a game when you are messing with your
life and other peoples lives.
just be prepared to deal with the consequences of your
actions.some might think i am going a little into the
deep end on this subject but then again i take
seduction a little more seriously than most people..
maybe even to a psychotic level- so i understand if
i may be on my own on my beliefs and thoughts on certain
issues here.

the reason bateman is the way he is..
is because in fact he is insane and is incapable of any type
of genuine emotions...continuing on the track you are
on, emulating and modeling his behaviors, in time what
do you think is gonna happen to you? what kind of
person do you think you will eventually become(this happens automaticly by the way)
by consistantly embodying those actions and emotions that
occompany them?
it's like saying that you want to go train as a boxer and
expect not to have the mentality of a fighter over time...