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Mako Eyes

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About 6 months ago I met the most amazing person. She is everything anyone could ever want in a girl.

There was a problem. She had just got out of a 4 year relationship with her ex-boyfriend. I met her about a week after the break up, and we went on a university trip, and that's when we became friends. In the weeks that followed we spent more and more time together, but her ex still called her a lot, and she still had "strong feelings for him". Basically, she was unsure whether or not she wanted to get back with him.

About 3 weeks after we became friends, we kissed. The next day.. she decided we shouldn't do it anymore, saying it would "complicate the situation". In order to make her happy, I agreed. Time went by.. we still spent a lot of time together, but we started kissing again. We started getting closer and closer. Months passed. I confessed my love for her. She said "Thank you." 2 weeks later, she confessed her love for me. However, her ex was still around and she still spent occational time with him.

The entire time this is goin on, me and him are both getting torn apart because of her divided attention. Eventually, I break down and tell her I can't take this anymore, and something has to change. We both agree on this.. and talk about it several times before something actually does change. She told him they were through forever.. but he still had a place in her heart, and that she would always be his friend.

This is the part where I think things are goin to start goin good for me.

Wrong.

She says right after it happens that we shouldn't talk for a while. A day passes, and we are already talking again. We start hanging out again and things are pretty much back to normal, or so it seemed. She was always kind of like this, but much more frequently recently. She flirts with guys a lot in class. She is the most attractive girl in every class we have together, therefore every guy wants her attention. And she is a very outgoing person, and she gives attention.

I am a man of many needs. One of them is attention. Especially from the girl I love. So, she starts to hang out with other guys.. studying. We go on another university trip together, and she is flirting with every guy on the trip. I get easily frustrated when I see this, and when she asks what's wrong, I let her know. She basically said I was being irrational and a spaz. A spaz for being jealous when a girl I love is flirting it up with every guy I know. And some I don't.

Today, I started my new job. So, her and I naturally didn't hang out tonight. So, she calls me around 12 and asks me how things went, I tell her. Then I ask how her night went. She tells me that her neighbor (who has an obvious crush on her) saw her outside and invited her to a movie, and she agreed. I got quiet. She asked what was wrong (she knew what it was), and I told her. I told her that I don't have a desire to go hang out with other girls. She is all I need. She says she thinks we "got too close too fast".. and that she "enjoys spending time with other people than me".

I told her that is all fine and great.. but a movie date? I asked questions like "You love me, but you want to stay single? It doesn't make sense." She agrees that it doesn't, but she "needs to get this out of her system before she starts another relationship".

I asked her if a guy she was hanging out with were to attempt to kiss her, what would she do. She said "I wouldn't want them to, and I wouldn't attempt it.. but I don't know what I would do if one tried." I say "I know what I'd do if a girl tried to kiss me, I'd say 'NO. It's not right.. I'm in love with someone.'.. Simple as that."

That's not the whole story.. I left out somet details, and recent conversation. Basically, she is bent on staying close to me but hanging out with whoever she wants. Pretty much being in a relationship but not being tied down with relationship ropes.

The whole situation is really sucky. I don't know how much longer I can take this.. I feel like I'm being torn apart.

Suggestions?
 

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She wants to explore and make the most of her single life again after a relationship. You're offering another commitment, but she doesn't want it at this stage. You also have one-itis, which is far from good for you.

Surely you can find other chicks. Not only will this help you move on and you may meet someone else you like, but who knows, it might even make her jealous and work in your favour.
 

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Mako Eyes said:
...She is all I need. She says she thinks we "got too close too fast".. and that she "enjoys spending time with other people than me".

...Suggestions?
You started with the whole "you're all that I need" thing too early in your "relationship". Apparently, she's also one of those flirty little things that basically screw you up in the long run. If you're going for a longer relationship, stay away from her and meet other women. Trust me on this one; she's as ****ed-up as they get.
Respect.
 

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Here's what's working against you:

- She's on the rebound
- You want to jump right into a LTR

Any woman who is fresh out of a LTR is going to still have "feelings" for her ex. A long term commitment cannot be forgotten overnight, those feelings are going to linger for a while. She brought those feelings with her when she began dating you.

Now, you're hell bent on starting a long term relationship right from the beginning, which is impossible. Long term relationships can only be developed after being with a woman for a lengthy period. Love and trust is established over a period of time, not from the first date.

Women define the word "Relationship" to mean "Long Term Relationship". If they aren't aware that they're already involved in one, the word "relationship" will cause them to back off, which is essentially what you did.

Your problem is you have one-itis and are obsessed with the idea of being with her. The reality is, you're only fulfilling a temporary spot until she finds someone more interesting. That is why she'll kiss you, but push you away at the same time. When she finds a new guy she likes, you'll end up in the "friend zone". Women place men in the "friend zone" to prevent her feelings and yours from getting out of hand.

Even though she's said it, she's not in love with you. Listen to her actions, because they speak the truth. She's pursuing other guys. Does that tell you she's in love with you?
 

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Hate to say it man, but you're coming off really desperate and needy for an LTR. This girl hasn't gotten over her x-bf. Furthermore, you're being pushy for a LTR is killing her attraction for you and is more inclined to push you away. She's looking for light fun and casual dating, nothing serious and emotional. Hence the date with the neighbor.

Even if she did commit she'd resent you putting her up on a pedestal and needing her affection more than she needs you. I'd give her some space and ignore her for a while. Go out and get a life, pursue a hobby, lift, do things YOU want - that will help get your mind off her. If she still "loves" you and is ready to commit she'll come back to you. Give her the gift of missing you. In the meanwhile spin some plates so the oneitis you have for now doesn't pull you further into the abyss. It's a dark dark place down there.

Also, read the DJ bible again or for the first time, it will help you out with your desperation and will help you feel more comfortable being single. The worst place you could be with oneitis is feeling she is your only option and that you don't have plates to drop if you weren't interested. It will take work, but you can reduce your AFC behavior immediately if you start applying DJ methods.

Your Homework
Read and study 3 threads by Rollo Tomassi that will help you get control of your life again:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=90482&highlight=plate+spin+theory
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77115&highlight=Cardinal+Rule
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=84124

Oneitis- Let's Be Honest
(bible nominated)
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=80553&highlight=oneitis
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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-------------------WARNING: TOUGH LOVE FOR YOUR OWN GOOD------
You acted like a needy, attention-seeking girly-man. You told her that you loved her first. Not allowed. Under any circumstances. Ever.

She basically said I was being irrational and a spaz. A spaz for being jealous when a girl I love is flirting it up with every guy I know. And some I don't.
She's right. You are NOT exclusive, you have NO claim over how this girl spends her time. Jealousy is insecurity. Insecurity is weakness. Weakness is unattractive. Just because you 'love' someone doesn't give you any claim to them, thats how stalkers think.

You love me, but you want to stay single? It doesn't make sense." She agrees that it doesn't, but she "needs to get this out of her system before she starts another relationship".
She is a beautiful woman, and unlike you, has a lot of options. You are trying to pressure her into a relationship and crowding her emotional and psychological space, instead of giving her the space to pursue you. The man must never, EVER be the one to propose going exclusive first. EVER. Telling her you would refuse any ***** offered to you subcommunicates that you have little options and that she can take your exclusivity for granted, instead of leaving her to wonder if she has any competition for your attention.

she is bent on staying close to me but hanging out with whoever she wants. Pretty much being in a relationship but not being tied down with relationship ropes.
THAT'S HER RIGHT! How you feel about it is your business. Get your head out of this girl's ass and date other women, and stop crying yourself to sleep.

Go read the DJ Bible PLEASE and stop whining.
 

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get a grip!!

Most of the others who have replied have already summed it up pretty nicely but I'll add these few tidbits.

First, YOU ARE NOT HER BF!!! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OR SAY IN WHO SHE CAN HANG OUT WITH!!!! Its ok to be a little jealous when a girl your kinda seeing or hanging out with goes out with another guy. However you keep those thoughts to yourself.

Second, WHY IN THE FUVK ARE YOU NOT SEEING OTHER GIRLS??? Wait, wait let me guess: Because this girl is the most beautiful, perfect girl in the whole wide world....:rolleyes:

Next, you've got one-itis and you've got it BAAAADDDDD!!! This is why you have idealized this girl and put her on the highest plain, above God even to show your loyalty for her. That's great and all but this will get you zero pu$$y and drop her interest level to -90 fast!!!


Lastly, this girl seems like a bit of an attention w-hore. When two people are seeing eachother its assumed that they're both seeing (or free to) other To keep the mystery, you keep that to yourself, while casually dropping hints every now and then that you are seeing other people. The fact that she keeps telling you about these things (movie with the neighbor, exbf) and then flirting with other guys constantly right in front of you are all designed to get A REACTION OUTTA YOU!!! Of course your obliging hook, line and sinker!!! The best thing to do with girls who pull that card is to not acknowledge those comments.

Example:

HB: Yeah my neighbor asked me to come over to watch a movie and I said yes.

U: Awesome! Yeah I've got tons of errands to run today and me and the boys are going out tonight.

Going purely by "the reaction theory" here, you will be the one who flips the script on her. She'll be intrigued, confused and interested all at the same time. She'll say things like "How come he doesn't care that I'm going on over to another guy's house??" Then she'll justify her thoughts by thinking you don't really like her. As a result she'll try harder to get your attention. Remember girls judge us a lot more by what we say (because they run off their emotions) while we judge girls by what they do. If you say all the right things and the right times, she'll be chasing you.

You need to reverse your frame of thinking and get back in control here. Well to be honest you were never in control and that's why I ultimately feel you will lose this game in the end, but that's another story.



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Alright then, jackass. Why the **** would you tell someone you LOVE them, LEAD THEM ON. Is it fun for some girls to tear guys apart?

Well, **** this. I'm just gonna play this **** her way and make her want me. That's what I see happening.
 

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Mako Eyes said:
Alright then, jackass. Why the **** would you tell someone you LOVE them, LEAD THEM ON.
Damn dude, you need to channel that anger elsewhere. This girl has pretty much laid her cards on the table and you act like you don't see them or rather you don't want to see them. You have to stop ALL the jealous behavior or things will end a lot sooner than you're prepared for. She'll probably test you when you first start to go your own way, and depending on whether you're able to stick to your guns or not will determine if you get anything worthwhile out of this.
 

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Mako Eyes said:
Alright then, jackass. Why the **** would you tell someone you LOVE them, LEAD THEM ON. Is it fun for some girls to tear guys apart?

Well, **** this. I'm just gonna play this **** her way and make her want me. That's what I see happening.

That's a perfect example of what I mean when I say that your not in control of your emotions. Keep up the good work.



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She won't respect you as a man for supplicating YOUR needs for HERS and playing the game her way. Do what you want, but the advice here is sound and safe for your long term emotional growth into becoming a man.

Don't take it personal either man, girls will trade up if they see better options. Most the time it's our fault for our AFC actions that push girls away and not being responsible men. She's at an age where her beauty gives her many options, where as young men have it harder. Some guys are sneaky at knowing your weaknesses are and can accentuate your faults to get her to dump you. Just look at all the guys asking for BF Destroyers on here.....

Personally, I look forward to the day when I've matured and prospered and women come chasing after me, and believe me they do when they're ready to nest for an established guy who's got his own world together. Till then I'm not stressing being single for a long time while I expand other horizons besides women.

Many men on mature forum will agree that their success with women didn't improve until much later when they got their situation handled. If it's true, than our best years are head of us. Patience is a virtue my friend, don't be afraid to walk away. It could be a time for self-fullfilment. Good luck.
 

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Alright then, jackass. Why the **** would you tell someone you LOVE them, LEAD THEM ON. Is it fun for some girls to tear guys apart?
I told you EXACTLY what she's doing. Read again:

The reality is, you're only fulfilling a temporary spot until she finds someone more interesting. That is why she'll kiss you, but push you away at the same time. When she finds a new guy she likes, you'll end up in the "friend zone".


One thing you're going to realize about this forum: Nobody is going to tell you what you want to hear. I could've told you "Well, she's just not really ready to be with you, but she really does still love you!" That's a load of horse5hit, and nobody on this forum is going to give you a sweet lollipop just because you yell and scream for one.

THIS IS REALITY. Face it, her actions say she wants to fvck other men. You can either live in denial, or quit focussing all your attention on her and move on.
 

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Hi there,

After having read your post it reminded me so much of this so called 'female' psychology and rationality which is so hard to comprehend.

Let's try to analyse the situation:

First of all she breaks up with her boyfriend. Even if it came from her side, it's a big emotional change for her and noone will agrue with that. She finds you, someone who gives her attention, someone who offers her a shoulder to cry on. Furtheron you admitt your feelings to her which makes her position more secure, because she knows that she has you.
She said 'thank you', because she wasn't going to return those feelings. Her game with you was over. She got what she wanted. Girls usually don't seek for physical pleasures. They enjoy mental tortures. Don't get me wrong. It's not something she does intentionally to hurt you or her ex-boyfriend. It merely has something to do with her ego. She proves to herself that she can do without a relationship, without relying on someone.
It's quite difficult to put in words and I hope you won't miss my point here.
Your first mistake was probably to tell her about your feelings.

I, for one, believe that her feelings are not mutual. It's just something she wishes she'd feel, but she can't due to the strong influence of her previous relationship. She might feel confused at times, have strong mood swings and emotional outbursts.
She pretends to be in love with you or at least have strong emotions, is that correct?
Well, like you've said "why does she go out with her neighbor?". That's exactly the point. She is just trying to awake emotions in other people and see if she's capable of returning them, because subconsciously she's still longing for a steady relationship, but on a conscious level she's trying to prove that she's stronger than that.

I wish I could write more about this, but unfortunately, I lack time. I hope I'll return to this at some point later on.

What you should do, is reflecting her actions. I'm sure that that'll change her attitude towards to you.
 

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Mako Eyes said:
Alright then, jackass. Why the **** would you tell someone you LOVE them, LEAD THEM ON. Is it fun for some girls to tear guys apart?

Well, **** this. I'm just gonna play this **** her way and make her want me. That's what I see happening.
Mate, people are trying to help you here. Just because you don't like the answers given (which is all actually good advice), there's no need to be a tosser.
 

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Tazman said:
Damn dude, you need to channel that anger elsewhere. This girl has pretty much laid her cards on the table and you act like you don't see them or rather you don't want to see them. You have to stop ALL the jealous behavior or things will end a lot sooner than you're prepared for. She'll probably test you when you first start to go your own way, and depending on whether you're able to stick to your guns or not will determine if you get anything worthwhile out of this.
That, my friend, is the most useful piece of advice I've heard from this forum or any other. You get it.

Thanks.
 

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Well Desdinova really hit the direction I was aiming at while reading your post and beat me to it. She did sound liek she is on a rebound. Looks to me like both your definitions of love are not the same (read feelings not mutual). Of course she might love you, but remember - there are many levels of love, and they all start from the love for toys (sucky analogy) and ending with the love of your life in a successful and happy LTR. Anyway, moving on, you have to realise that she doesn't love you in a way you'd want her to, and as Pimp-sicle said, you are not her boyfriend so stop acting like one...

Mako Eyes said:
... and that she "enjoys spending time with other people than me".
Ouch! But remember she was in a relationship and just got out of it, so as many here said it, she was not either looking, nor was ready for it. In my opinion, evne though it is not what you want to hear, I agree with most, get out of this fantasy of yours and live your life, don't let your life lead you, and lead you in a wrong direction at that.

From what it seems you offered her what she wanted as Jaded said, and she offered you what you wanted on short term, and still does, by keeping you interested, talking, doing this, that, the kissing even though she said you two shouldn't and so on... Although I understand how you feel, point is you have to realise that things will not turn out the way you want them to, she will not wake up one day and realise that all she did lately was wrong that she shouldn't flirt with guys, never talk to his exboyfriend again, stop going and hanging out with guys and return to you. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN! And the more you expect it to, the less chances of it happening there are (if any).

Mako Eyes said:
Alright then, jackass. Why the **** would you tell someone you LOVE them, LEAD THEM ON. Is it fun for some girls to tear guys apart?

Well, **** this. I'm just gonna play this **** her way and make her want me. That's what I see happening.
If you want a very soft description of how I see thigns happening (usually), it is not that girls enjoy mind games and torture (... don't comment guys :p) but they do love having the upper hand, the power and advantage. Yes, she has the advantage, and Marlimus said it best, she has A LOT OF OPTIONS and you did show her you limit yourself only to her. While that is not a bad thing (in a LTR), atm to me it seems like you are in a relationship with her, but she isn't with you, if you get me...

Although the choice is yours, the more you stay into this, the more you will get hurt and simply end up asking what went wrong since you did everything for her, you sacrificed all, you proved your love and she didn't realise, it meant nothing to her, she did this and that and so on... NOBODY FORCED YOU TO DO IT! Of course she enjoyed everything you did and accepted it... would you turn down a gift ?! It doesn't mean that if you offer her the Moon she'll go out with you IF she didn't ask for the Moon... OK she kept it, so ?! Who here hasn't kept things even if they hardly use it... doesn't mean they need it (yes my analogies keep getting better and better :D)

If you do want to sleep better here it is, what you want to hear:
She loves you and she is just testing the waters until she will be ready to be with you and it will be soon, just wait a bit more.

Reality: not gonna happen (or, if you're lucky and it will, it won't in the immidiate future - but keep that rabbit's foot close just in case :p)

You have to understand that after a breakup someone doesn't need or want more complications. Flirting is the best way to "play it safe" and if you misinterpret it than don't wonder why things go wrong.

As for jealousy - get as jealous as possible, be angry, be mad and then ask what went wrong :)
Jealousy is one of the things you don't need and shouldn't use. Because there is no such thing as repressing jealousy (unless you are -1% interested), keep it in the allowed 5% zone. That is the zone when you notice other guys hanging out/around with her. Go over 50% and she will see she has you where she wants you. It does sound harsh, but if I or anyone else here is wrong then why is this happening to you?

Take our advice or don't, but don't get mad if we don't tell you what you want to hear. You asked for the truth not a soft version of the preferred truth. You have your whole life, and your life is full of girls, just open your eyes. She is the most beautiful girl and she is perfect - OK true (...). But does it mean she is THE ONLY girl in the world ? A girl can be just cute and pretty and still make you feel good, she doesn't have to be Miss Universe. And I can't get any more obvious than that.

Nonetheless - good luck!
 

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She's doing to you exactly what you should have started out doing to her.
Your situation sort of reminds me of how my ex-wife did me but I Flipped the script and now I'm a lot better off.

It's a lot better for you to save face and move on playa, she's not going to change.

P.S. Props to the DJ bible, it led me to the water but it was my choice to drank. As I dranked, I saw a my lonely image fade into the ripples of the water which led to the emergence of a man in control of his own destiny.
 
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