My prediction for dating by 2028 and beyond the foreseeable future

[SW15]

You can literally set up multiple dates from your house while taking a shyt, and if you play it right smash the girl the same night you meet her etc.

That's more realistic for a top tier man than a mid tier man. Mid tier men usually have lousy experiences on the apps.

It's a good idea for men to develop their physiques and earn more money to get closer to the top tier. That will make the quoted experience more of a possibility.

Guy's lament about 20 years ago, but as a guy who remembers 20 years ago. I can tell you from experience women put out faster and at a higher rate now than ever. 20 years ago a lot of women wouldn't put out unless you committed to them in a relationship and even then sometimes you had to wait awhile

I am able to remember 20 years ago too. Women now might put out somewhat faster for top tier men now as compared to 20 years ago.

I don't think the mid tier man is doing better now.

20 years ago (the mid-2000s), men could get sex without commitment and usually within a few dates.

Also men 20 years ago IMO put in far more effort to get laid then men today. Online dating wasn't as popular as it is now, so men out to go outside to meet women. Men had to have social skills.

It's a different kind of effort now. In the mid-2000s, the effort was showering, getting dressing, showing up to a venue, and talking. The effort now for more men is sitting at home and swiping on an app. Both are time consuming and often lead to disappointment. Coming home from a bar approach night semi-intoxicated without getting sex or a date is very discouraging and deflating emotionally.

Social skills were relevant then and relevant now. Social skills can help a man from getting disqualified.

If you go out now, are men still approaching women at bars and clubs? it depends on here you're at but I've been to places and seen men on the wall on their phones the whole night, kind of pathetic. Yes social media wasn't around but you still had to approach women, talk to them, get them out on dates or to come over etc.

There is less of an approach culture now than in the past.

 

[Solomon]

That's more realistic for a top tier man than a mid tier man. Mid tier men usually have lousy experiences on the apps.

It's a good idea for men to develop their physiques and earn more money to get closer to the top tier. That will make the quoted experience more of a possibility.



I am able to remember 20 years ago too. Women now might put out somewhat faster for top tier men now as compared to 20 years ago.

I don't think the mid tier man is doing better now.

20 years ago (the mid-2000s), men could get sex without commitment and usually within a few dates.



It's a different kind of effort now. In the mid-2000s, the effort was showering, getting dressing, showing up to a venue, and talking. The effort now for more men is sitting at home and swiping on an app. Both are time consuming and often lead to disappointment. Coming home from a bar approach night semi-intoxicated without getting sex or a date is very discouraging and deflating emotionally.

Social skills were relevant then and relevant now. Social skills can help a man from getting disqualified.



There is less of an approach culture now than in the past.

Everything you say sounds correct until you start to unpack it and look into it deeper
The more statistics come out the more, I realize that modern men aren't even trying.
45% of men ages 18-25 have never approached or asked a woman out on a date.
Mid Tier, high tier it doesn't matter nearly half of prime-age men have never approached a woman for a date. Also most men from 18-25 aren't going to make "Top Tier" money let's be realistic, most men don't start making money until their late 30s/40s, and most men don't make GREAT money until their 50s. I do agree with you men should focus on their physiques as this alone will increase your chances by a great margin combined with social mastery and having the ability to elicit women's emotions!

This is one of the reasons why "Mid Tier" men are having lousy experiences on the apps for various reasons which we have discussed on this forum for years (tired of beating this dead horse) However one of the reasons is because they are afraid to compete in person(by approaching) and thus don't even try! How do you expect to get a girlfriend or even get laid if you don't try? Online dating isn't going to cater to a guy's strength who may look average(or is average overall) but if he dresses well, can carry a conversation, is quick-witted in person he can convey those traits easier to a woman(in person) which can help him garner more dates etc.

It's less of an approach culture sure, but the guy who approaches in 2025 who isn't afraid to fail and learn, he's already in the Top 55% of that alone, even if he doesn't smash the girl or get her phone number, he's taking action. Even the article mentions that more men who approach have success with women than not(nearly 60%). The study also shows that over 70% of the women still want to be approached! With consistent effort, and adapting your strategy eventually he will get a girlfriend or laid at least. This isn't keyboard jockeying this is speaking from experience having done 3,000+ approaches in my lifetime

"You Miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky​

 

[SW15]

45% of men ages 18-25 have never approached or asked a woman out on a date.

That is insane! I'm still wondering how that's possible.

For the men that go to college, they have some great pussie options.

18-25 is the best phase of life to do approaches and find dates.

Some of these guys can get dates solely from swipe apps or DMs though.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The issue with Roosh is he wanted a unicorn i.e. Young blonde, big butt, big boobs, flat stomach conservative white woman with Christian values but a virgin freak. Good luck finding that even in college nowadays. Roosh issue once he realized women could not make him happy instead he doubled down until he eventually realized that trying to "Bang" the whole world will not make you happy! I know roosh got offline and I hope he's happier now seeking the lord. I enjoyed his writings because Roosh was able to verbalize a lot of things that I was feeling or thinking but couldn't verbalize. He was an excellent writer when it came to women and seduction IMO. However, he also had somewhat warped view of women and the ideal partner (The unicorn) that a lot of men during that period hadikebana

And while I'm sure he was no slouch when it came to snagging a hot piece of ass, his claims to having bedded over 200 women is LESS credible than the DEA and ATF's delusions of having been especially successful at fighting crime

 

[Solomon]

And while I'm sure he was no slouch when it came to snagging a hot piece of ass, his claims to having bedded over 200 women is LESS credible than the DEA and ATF's delusions of having been especially successful at fighting crime

The early 2000s and even 2010s (until #MEtoo movement) was a different era, I remember going on RSD forums and guys were doing 500-1000 approaches a year! and journaling it with pictures/videos. Not every guy was super duper successful and that's one thing I appreciated about those RSD field reports a lot of guys were honest about their success or lack thereof. Now a days if a guy were to journal a 1000 approaches most people would tell him he's wasting his time and is a fool. However back in those days the fastest way to learn was to go out and get experience. Due to the fact that it was the internet (and still is) the only way to get creditability was to meet with other community guys and mass approach or have journals with evidence or both. Those members got reputations for being solid, plus it was very easy to tell guys who were making stuff up vs guys who had real success.

So with Roosh living overseas for nearly a decade, I can believe he smashed that many women(honestly I don't really care about that I care moreso about what I'm about to type next), but in the words of Gamora to Thanos "Was it worth it?" some of the biggest players I knew (seduction community or not) ended up getting married, some are still married some are divorced etc. Can't be a player forever eventually most men will want to settle down or focus on other endeavors that are far more fulfilling and fruitful

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

That is insane! I'm still wondering how that's possible.

For the men that go to college, they have some great pussie options.

18-25 is the best phase of life to do approaches and find dates.

Some of these guys can get dates solely from swipe apps or DMs though.

It's possible from the fact than the average man noticed that he doesnt have what it takes even for an average woman so he simply avoids making an effort..those who succeed also realize that the juice was not worth the squeeze.

Than we have many man that in past were pressured from social pressure to go after women but didnt really want it, think of nerds, geeks or simply hyperlogical men that control their libido while being annoyed from non sense.

We also have many more men that talk sincerly now..I recall 20 yrs ago there was no man "in a dry spell", everyone was banging left and right according to their words.

 

[Zontyy]

2). Femcels will now be a thing-

Femcels already exist, but they’ve mostly been limited to the stereotypical "crazy cat lady" type. However, this culture is now crossing over to include average and even attractive women. The era of the single, independent "boss babe" is well past its peak. Your typical dateable single woman will lead a lonely, unfulfilling life, receiving less attention from men and rejecting the corporate hustle and casual dating scene that Millennial and Gen X women once embraced. If you want a glimpse of what this future looks like, check out this video or the solo camping vlogs that many Asian women are posting on YouTube. Invest in Pet stock lol.

3). People will have less sex, and Hedonistic activities will be limited to the lower class, certain communities, and Rich People- As many men hated feminism and the boss babe caricatures, this allowed all men to have access to casual sex at ease. With this in decline, you will see less casual sex in the dating environment which will make the game less fun.

5). Online Dating & Cold Approaching will be in the History Books-

Online dating will basically turn into Chatroulette for women—chaotic, full of dvck pics, and unreliable and just completely unusable for men—and may even cease to exist, except for niche apps like Seeking. Cold approaching will become extinct as women become less receptive to random interactions due to rising crime rates, social fatigue, and declining self-esteem. If you’re not already part of a woman’s social circle or community, your chances of interacting with her are practically zero.

Some of your other points I agree on but the ones I quoted I disagree.

2 and 3). Since you used Japan as an example I think this is based more on the economy of Japan then anything else. It's been stagnant/zombie since the late 80s. People are having less sex because Men are unable to provide or even be considered providers anymore in Japan this in turn has created Femcels since there are no men worth breeding with.

It was believed that the US was heading the same way, we had a choice to follow the stagnancy of Japan's economic policies or through inflation with importation of immigrants since our birth rates were down. The US has continued to do that for the last 20 years along with a few wars to bring us out of recessions. This can only work for so long though until societal collapse as we become less cohesive. The only thing to fix that would be to slowly remove rights from woman and promote conservative ideals which is what seems to be happening now. All in all we might avoid numbers 2 and 3 if economic policies help the middle and lower class.

5). I completely disagree online dating is never going away but will be used even more since people the new generations are more tied to there phones and less social. Chad will still have tons to pick from while your average guy will barely any matches.

 

[SW15]

We also have many more men that talk sincerly now..I recall 20 yrs ago there was no man "in a dry spell", everyone was banging left and right according to their words.

Plenty of men had dry spells 20 years ago.

I completely disagree online dating is never going away but will be used even more since people the new generations are more tied to there phones and less social. Chad will still have tons to pick from while your average guy will barely any matches.

Online dating was invented as an alternative to the bar scene but became far worse than the bar scene.

Online dating has favorite the elite tier men more so than the middle tier men. Online dating is even more favorable to elite tier men than nightlife venues ever were.

So with Roosh living overseas for nearly a decade, I can believe he smashed that many women(honestly I don't really care about that I care moreso about what I'm about to type next), but in the words of Gamora to Thanos "Was it worth it?" some of the biggest players I knew (seduction community or not) ended up getting married, some are still married some are divorced etc. Can't be a player forever eventually most men will want to settle down or focus on other endeavors that are far more fulfilling and fruitful

Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0 & Blackdragon) wrote about this concept in September 2024. While I don't agree with some parts of the piece that is linked below, the quote below the link from him covers key thoughts of the article.

The Problem With Red Pill, Black Pill, Pick-Up Artist, Tradcon, and Other Masculine Lifestyle Models - Alpha Male 2.0

Reading Time – 9 minutes I came from the pick-up artist world of the late 2000s and early 2010s. Under the name Blackdragon, I was in the second generation of pick-up artists right after the first generation of guys like Neil Strauss, Mystery, Owen Cook,...

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pick-up artist is a temporary lifestyle model...... The problem with pick-up artist is it’s a lifestyle that is only valid for a few years, not your whole life......

The problem is compounded because back in the 2000s, pick-up artists didn’t know this. These pick-up artist gurus, 95% of whom were well under the age of 35, just went out, practiced their skills, banged hundreds of women, and gave no thought whatsoever to what they would want later in life when they were 39 or 46 or 57.

So then they hit a brick wall when they turned 35 or so