nicksaiz65
Master Don Juan
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One of my major sticking points in this game has been actually making the move, sticking the landing and securing the pvssy even when the girl likes me. I’ve had so many failed first dates in the past where I didn’t make the move to get the pvss, and then I could never get the girl out again.
In my most recent field report where I pulled with a wing from Daygame: I got 100% proof that it’s all in my head. My girl liked me for sure, but I still flubbed it. My mind was telling me “Does she even like you? Is it the right time to make a move?”
(Assuming I don’t get flaked on) I have a date coming up in a couple of days. I can already hear the demons whispering to me and the date hasn’t even started yet. They’re saying “She doesn’t even like you like that. She’s not attracted to you. This is just a friendly excursion to her.” and “She’s just gonna be weirded out if you make a move on her.”
Even with all the self improvement I’ve done(losing 20 lbs, improving my hairstyle, improving my fashion) the demons haven’t gotten any quieter. They’re the exact same volume in my head as they were before.
As Roosh V says, “Your mind is both your friend and your enemy, because while it gives you the cognitive ability to fulfill your goals, it also tells you that you are ugly and will experience nonstop rejection.” My own mind, even my own feelings and perceptions, cannot be trusted. Because my own mind will try to sabotage me.
So I don’t think an inner game solution is going to help for this escalation issue that I have. I think a very concrete, technical “outer game” solution is the way to go. Which in turn, fixes the “inner game.
I’m going to build myself a full on “closing ladder,” “closing sequence,” “closing algorithm,” whatever you want to call it. Basically, when I have a girl over after a date, I have to execute that series of steps, no matter how I feel. I have to execute that plan or I’m not even playing the game. That will let me go for the close every single time, no matter my emotional state. None of that “I don’t know if she likes me” or “Should I make a move now” it insecurity crap. I think that completely eliminates that issue. It’d make me a hard closer, which is exactly what I need to be.
I realize that you need to make positive assumptions: but for my mind, I think just having a concrete strategy that I must follow is the best way to make it so that the negative thoughts can’t win. It’s easier to attack it from the outside in than the inside out. I’ve personally always found an outside in approach more effective. More than one way to skin a cat, right?
I’ll probably end up writing the sequence myself, but let me know if you have any ideas or inspiration that I can draw from while writing it. I remember the very old Vin DiCarlo Escalation Ladder.
I know that some of the steps will be gradually increasing kino, and holding very strong eye contact. If she reciprocates that eye contact for say 3 seconds, kiss her. I know that if you’re nervous to go for the kiss, you can even explicitly say something like “You know, you’re really beautiful” or “Damn, I want to kiss you right now” and then kiss her.
A sequence like this even for the date would be very useful too. I remember seeing these wayyyy back in the day on the forum. As in I need to kino her this amount of times, and make sure I’m doing some flirty comments too. That way, I don’t end up on these platonic dates that go absolutely nowhere, a sequence would prevent this. AND I won’t Bomb the close either.
Plus, it’s better to go for the close and get rejected than not go for it at all. If you don’t go for it, the girl thinks you’re a total b!tch. Plus, at least if you make a move you KNOW instead of hanging in limbo forever.
But I’m just sharing my thoughts on how I’m going to defeat these demons in my head. I’ll ensure that I close on my next date. Let me know what you think. And of course, I’ll write a FR and share it with you all on my next date.
In my most recent field report where I pulled with a wing from Daygame: I got 100% proof that it’s all in my head. My girl liked me for sure, but I still flubbed it. My mind was telling me “Does she even like you? Is it the right time to make a move?”
(Assuming I don’t get flaked on) I have a date coming up in a couple of days. I can already hear the demons whispering to me and the date hasn’t even started yet. They’re saying “She doesn’t even like you like that. She’s not attracted to you. This is just a friendly excursion to her.” and “She’s just gonna be weirded out if you make a move on her.”
Even with all the self improvement I’ve done(losing 20 lbs, improving my hairstyle, improving my fashion) the demons haven’t gotten any quieter. They’re the exact same volume in my head as they were before.
As Roosh V says, “Your mind is both your friend and your enemy, because while it gives you the cognitive ability to fulfill your goals, it also tells you that you are ugly and will experience nonstop rejection.” My own mind, even my own feelings and perceptions, cannot be trusted. Because my own mind will try to sabotage me.
So I don’t think an inner game solution is going to help for this escalation issue that I have. I think a very concrete, technical “outer game” solution is the way to go. Which in turn, fixes the “inner game.
I’m going to build myself a full on “closing ladder,” “closing sequence,” “closing algorithm,” whatever you want to call it. Basically, when I have a girl over after a date, I have to execute that series of steps, no matter how I feel. I have to execute that plan or I’m not even playing the game. That will let me go for the close every single time, no matter my emotional state. None of that “I don’t know if she likes me” or “Should I make a move now” it insecurity crap. I think that completely eliminates that issue. It’d make me a hard closer, which is exactly what I need to be.
I realize that you need to make positive assumptions: but for my mind, I think just having a concrete strategy that I must follow is the best way to make it so that the negative thoughts can’t win. It’s easier to attack it from the outside in than the inside out. I’ve personally always found an outside in approach more effective. More than one way to skin a cat, right?
I’ll probably end up writing the sequence myself, but let me know if you have any ideas or inspiration that I can draw from while writing it. I remember the very old Vin DiCarlo Escalation Ladder.
I know that some of the steps will be gradually increasing kino, and holding very strong eye contact. If she reciprocates that eye contact for say 3 seconds, kiss her. I know that if you’re nervous to go for the kiss, you can even explicitly say something like “You know, you’re really beautiful” or “Damn, I want to kiss you right now” and then kiss her.
A sequence like this even for the date would be very useful too. I remember seeing these wayyyy back in the day on the forum. As in I need to kino her this amount of times, and make sure I’m doing some flirty comments too. That way, I don’t end up on these platonic dates that go absolutely nowhere, a sequence would prevent this. AND I won’t Bomb the close either.
Plus, it’s better to go for the close and get rejected than not go for it at all. If you don’t go for it, the girl thinks you’re a total b!tch. Plus, at least if you make a move you KNOW instead of hanging in limbo forever.
But I’m just sharing my thoughts on how I’m going to defeat these demons in my head. I’ll ensure that I close on my next date. Let me know what you think. And of course, I’ll write a FR and share it with you all on my next date.
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