My meeting with Paul Shaeffer

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Recently I was in the bookstore looking at a recording industry magazine, when I ran into Paul Shaeffer from the Letterman show. Both his beard and his head were unshaven, but I could tell by the quality of his casual clothing that it was him. He nodded at me and up the chimney he rose. Oh wait, sorry, I'm mixing up my stories...

He nodded and I said, "Are you Paul, or do you just look like Paul?", and he said "Yes, I'm Paul S. Who are you?"

I'm not one to gush over stars since I'm in a segment of show biz and occasionally meet some, so I said, "Oh, just a guy who likes your work" and went back to reading my magazine. I decided to "play" with him and see how he would react to my being completely unaffected by him. I think he was astonished by this because all he ever sees is people gushing over him. He said, "No, wait a minute, who ARE you?", and again I was very nonchalant with him. "Just a musician who likes your stuff". He said, "No, who are you, what's your name?"

Notice what can be learned here. Here's a guy with mega millions in the bank, a steady gig on Letterman, and who knows personally every musician who ever lived. Yet he was intrigued by yours truly specifically because I was unaffected by his aura. Do you see how this relates to dealing with beautiful women? An exceptional person becomes intrigued by the One who is unaffected by him/her.

I told him my name and we ended up chatting for 2 hours straight. He truly is a remarkable guy, very humble and quiet in how he carries himself. He showed genuine interest in my career and my personal life, and opened right up to me specifically because I hit the sweet spot of non-chalance with him due to my detached demeanor. He told me all sorts of secrets about the show that he made me swear not to mention.

As we were talking many women and a few men stuck their heads in the aisle and peered at us as if we were animals being observed at the zoo. It was funny how obviously awestruck they were.

He and I chatted on and on, and I literally couldn't get out of there because a couple of times I said I had to get going and he would say, "Yeah, music is great, isn't it?" and that meant another half-hour of chatting. Both of us immensely enjoyed the interaction.

We had talked about faith (he is Jewish) at one point, and upon our parting I said, "Merry Christmas, oops" and he corrected me, "You mean Happy Hanukkah" and we had a good laugh.

I think this interaction goes to show how one can fairly easily rise above all others in the perception of a celebrity, or of a woman with exceptionally good looks. Day in and day out they are stared at, and spoken to in an contrived way, because 99% of those who speak to them are awestruck and self-conscious. When I say "them", I mean both celebrities and everyday beautiful women.

Go out there and check your own body language and vocal tone when you deal with a pretty girl. In her presence do you find the way you act changing, adjusting to her in any way? Even ever-so-slightly? If yes, then you have some work to do. You need to practice being entirely unaffected by externals. People submitting to them on a subtle level is as common to them as the air they breathe and they can sense it on a very subtle level. To distinguish yourself, be completely unaffected and treat them non-chalantly. This can cause them to be very powerfully drawn to you.

Along with that, you need to provide the energy of the interaction. Do not be reactive, but rather YOU need to provide the momentum, the energy and the frame. You decide when the conversation is over, not her.

Clearly, I made Paul work to get my attention. You could say that in his eyes I was the celebrity, because I was anti-celebrity. Read that twice and think about it.
 

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Such a great post.

My only problem is I find it hard to be "nonchalant" all the time. I've experienced it before though after, literally hours, of approaching. When you're out in the field long enough, and rejected harshly enough, after a while you develop thick skin and then, and ONLY then, will you have this aura about you; a truly nonchalant caring nature.

It is of my opinion that you could be the ugliest s.o.b on the planet BUT if you have this aura about you than you will turn a few heads. It's really hard to describe unless you've experienced it. Once you're in the zone, this aura, you can walk up to beautiful girls and they will immediately respond favorably to you because your body language, voice tone, eyes, etc are all perfectly relaxed and comfortable. Again, it's hard to describe. Atom Smasher did a great job of describing it though.

My problem is I need to be more social MORE often. As i said earlier, i've only had this nonchalant aura after, literally, hours of approaching and tons of rejections. Therefore, i think it's so important to constantly expand your comfort zone and do things that SCARE YOU! You must be social! Not only that but you must have the courage to accept and get through rejections because through failure you will achieve this nonchalant aura and when you have it, when you're in the moment with it, it's the best feeling on this planet.
 

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^ yeah man, it's hard. it supposed to be. if it were easy, everyone would do it and it wouldn't stand out or have the same value to someone like the individual referenced in the original post (or hot chicks)

its hard, accept it, get over it, deal with it, make it happen anyway

adapt and overcome
 

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Paul is susceptible to your tactics. He has low self esteem as shown in his unwillingness to do a show without sunglasses.

So what you're saying makes sense.
 

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btownbuck2012 said:
Such a great post.

My only problem is I find it hard to be "nonchalant" all the time. I've experienced it before though after, literally hours, of approaching. When you're out in the field long enough, and rejected harshly enough, after a while you develop thick skin and then, and ONLY then, will you have this aura about you; a truly nonchalant caring nature.

Yes, absolutely.

It is of my opinion that you could be the ugliest s.o.b on the planet BUT if you have this aura about you than you will turn a few heads. It's really hard to describe unless you've experienced it. Once you're in the zone, this aura, you can walk up to beautiful girls and they will immediately respond favorably to you because your body language, voice tone, eyes, etc are all perfectly relaxed and comfortable. Again, it's hard to describe. Atom Smasher did a great job of describing it though.

Agreed.

My problem is I need to be more social MORE often. As i said earlier, i've only had this nonchalant aura after, literally, hours of approaching and tons of rejections. Therefore, i think it's so important to constantly expand your comfort zone and do things that SCARE YOU! You must be social! Not only that but you must have the courage to accept and get through rejections because through failure you will achieve this nonchalant aura and when you have it, when you're in the moment with it, it's the best feeling on this planet.
I've experienced it myself for brief periods. It's amazing. All it requires is a super extended "warm-up" of many many approaches. It literally puts you in "the zone." I haven't found a way to stay in that zone that long though. Most of us can't be approaching woman after woman 24/7.

Great thread and reply.
 

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st_99 said:
Paul is susceptible to your tactics. He has low self esteem as shown in his unwillingness to do a show without sunglasses.

So what you're saying makes sense.
Yup. Interestingly, he doesn't come off as that TV "hipster" in RL. He comes off as very humble and soft-spoken. Very relaxed and in control. He definitely has an air of confidence along with that, though. The sunglasses allow him to turn on the hip, wise-cracking character, I'm sure.

Let us remember that a woman's beauty is her "sunglasses". She is able to create fake confidence with all that sh!t she plasters all over her face. Take that away and all pretty women (and yes, I said ALL) are amazingly insecure. Their only basis of value is their looks and sexuality, hence the need to wear the mask. Underneath all that face putty that we drool over are weak eyes and blemished skin. That fact should give us all renewed confidence in stripping away the illusions and dealing with women as people with masks on, and nothing more. You have internal worth, brought about by taking the hammer to yourself, by virtue of being a man in a man's world. She has external worth that she must buy in the store and paint on, by and large. Does anyone see an advantage here if we use it? I know I do. :cool:
 

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Jariel said:
But did you bang him? :)
:crackup: LOL, thanks for the belly laugh. I needed that today.

I did number close, however. We're going to take this slow and see where it goes....
 

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Atom Smasher said:
:crackup: LOL, thanks for the belly laugh. I needed that today.

I did number close, however. We're going to take this slow and see where it goes....
haha, wise choice. He's definitely a keeper! :)

Seriously though, this was a very enlightening post and shows how this kind of reverse psychology and acting cool affects men and women of all ages. It's a lesson that every budding DJ needs to have ingrained in them.
 

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I'm 19 and you're 54. Thank you very much for this enlightening thread Atom Smasher. I've never met you in real life, and I most likely never will, but I still feel the impact of your post.

It makes so much sense. Everyday I try to see past womens' masks and illusions...it gets a little easier every day..as long as I've got posts like these.
 

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Marvin Gaye said:
I'm 19 and you're 54. Thank you very much for this enlightening thread Atom Smasher. I've never met you in real life, and I most likely never will, but I still feel the impact of your post.

It makes so much sense. Everyday I try to see past womens' masks and illusions...it gets a little easier every day..as long as I've got posts like these.
At 54 years of age and living in America AND hanging in this forum he should be everything you don't want to become. What is a 54 year old man in America going to get? Seriously? A 50 year old woman? Please.

Learn Russian and get the f--- out of Dodge. It is a number's game. Hell, if I was 54 and stuck in America I would even think of going on a romance tour.

http://www.loveme.com/tour/photos/2010-Ukraine-Women-March/images/Ukraine-Singles-039.jpg
Is a dude like this ever going to get near something like her in America? Seriously. Hell, you will NEVER get close to her at any age in America. Ask ANYONE who has been to Ukraine if this would be an odd couple? Nope. Ukraine is Ukraine. It makes no sense.

http://www.loveme.com/tour/photos/2010-Ukraine-Women-March/images/Ukraine-Singles-042.jpg
If you are younger they hook you up with her. Again, laugh if you want...BUT...I don't see her in America that much. Add to the fact that she hasn't been feminized and who should you be listening to?

And yes, if you learn Russian you will get better. A lot better. The language is the BIG wall that separates you from a life of female bliss. Try to find old Assimil Russian courses. Pound away at those 100 hundred lessons for two hours a day for one year. EVERY day. By the end of the year you will be able to travel on your own. Download Russian language tv apps. Turn off stupid Western tv. In a few years you will be living every male's dream.

Of course, none of you will. That is the funny thing. Much like Americans think that they are a peaceful people while blowing up most of the world :rolleyes: It all comes down to the inability to think on your own and pure laziness. After day 57 of Assimil you will decide that you would rather watch MMA and go out with your boys to stare at 35 year old single mothers.
 

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Marvin Gaye said:
I'm 19 and you're 54. Thank you very much for this enlightening thread Atom Smasher. I've never met you in real life, and I most likely never will, but I still feel the impact of your post.

It makes so much sense. Everyday I try to see past womens' masks and illusions...it gets a little easier every day..as long as I've got posts like these.
YW.

We are hard-wired to respond to female beauty and feminine affectations, but once we train ourselves to see beyond that facade and not respond to it, it becomes infinitely easier to acheive the upper hand and have her value you above herself, which is fundamentally critical to attraction.
 

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i remember i did something like that to a singer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2lcPhiTJpc&feature=related

i met him for the first time at age 6, saw him couple of time in my home, he was invited often to eat cause he didnt know anyone around there (carribean)
since i was 7, i didnt see him anymore.

one day after 15 years, i met him in the street, and his face was familiar (a bit older but still familiar).

i went straight up to him and told him: 'damn i know you, but i have no idea from where !', he is kind of used to people who are crazy when they see him, and i was natural about it.

he told me: 'i'm daniel levi'

and i was like (different of everybody who will be excited): 'hey now i remember you, you where eating from time to time in my home, yeah i was 7 maybe, anyway, always nice to see someone after 15 years, have a great day !'

he was really shocked, didn't know who i was and came to ask me who i really was, we spoke 10 15 minutes, and i was off, he had nothing to tell and really not humble at all !
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Along with that, you need to provide the energy of the interaction. Do not be reactive, but rather YOU need to provide the momentum, the energy and the frame. You decide when the conversation is over, not her.

Clearly, I made Paul work to get my attention. You could say that in his eyes I was the celebrity, because I was anti-celebrity. Read that twice and think about it.
when you say this. i picture a bubble of momentum around me and not the girl. if i suck her into the bubble then the convo would be a lot better.

great post man,
 

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TheMale said:
i remember i did something like that to a singer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2lcPhiTJpc&feature=related

i met him for the first time at age 6, saw him couple of time in my home, he was invited often to eat cause he didnt know anyone around there (carribean)
since i was 7, i didnt see him anymore.

one day after 15 years, i met him in the street, and his face was familiar (a bit older but still familiar).

i went straight up to him and told him: 'damn i know you, but i have no idea from where !', he is kind of used to people who are crazy when they see him, and i was natural about it.

he told me: 'i'm daniel levi'

and i was like (different of everybody who will be excited): 'hey now i remember you, you where eating from time to time in my home, yeah i was 7 maybe, anyway, always nice to see someone after 15 years, have a great day !'

he was really shocked, didn't know who i was and came to ask me who i really was, we spoke 10 15 minutes, and i was off, he had nothing to tell and really not humble at all !
There you go. It seems that on one level celebrities are addicted to the usual fawning attention, but deep inside they crave real one-on-one personal communication, something they can rarely find.

I am well known in some circles in the Northeast (I'm an entertainer in a niche), and occasionally I get asked for an autograph (usually by mothers and daughters together, oddly enough). This happens perhaps 4 to 5 times a year. I always have this odd sense that they are completely taken in by a personna and not connecting on a real level. If they hadn't seen me perform, they wouldn't give me the time of day. You can see the "wide-eyed wonder" in their faces. This is what the media does. It creates sheep who idolize celebrity, thereby taking their attention off the machinations of a select few in who are in power. Sports and celebrity arean excellent way to drug the masses. But I digress.

I don't have the problem that nationwide celebrites have, because I'm only known to a niche audience. But I can get a little taste of what they experience. Performers and other public figures are the ultimate AWs, and when someone relates to them without holding them in awe, they are shocked and puzzled because to them, it is as if the laws of physics themselves have suddenly altered and they find themselves in a strange world. Clearly, though, an interaction on a "real" level (meaning absent of awe with their celebrity) is soothing medicine to their souls.
 

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Packers2010 said:
when you say this. i picture a bubble of momentum around me and not the girl. if i suck her into the bubble then the convo would be a lot better.

great post man,
I like your picture. I think it's a very effective way to look at interactions.

+1.
 
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