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Sosuave.com changed my life. I remember having my mind blown by reading the bible for the first time, and for once having the confidence to actually talk to girls. It helped me take my first steps from total AFC loser to fairly cool, attractive guy.

Lately, however, I found that it doesn't help me anymore. The concepts discussed here seem so obvious and blatant -- "Don't buy a girl drinks" "Be confident". At the same time, most of the stuff on ASF is too complex for me. It's like a comment Formhandle made on mASF, sosuave.com is like elementary school, ASF is like graduate school.

The greatest thing this site has done for me is help me transition. As an AFC I would have laughed if you'd say I could be a player, but I was willing to believe I could become a DJ. And from being a DJ, then I could finally believe I could become a player.

Why am I leaving this site? Firstly, it has nothing more to offer me. 90% of the people who post here are keyboard jockeys who post theory but never actually go out. Anybody who goes sarging in the real world can see that they're bull****ting, and trying to cover it up by sounding vague and intellectual and philosophical.

When I tried to address this problem on the site, the mods killed my posts by moving them to Anything Else. I brought up a serious, legitimate issue, which could really change some guys' lives. After all, most of the guys in our lair would have been perpetual keyboard jockeys had it not been for our meetings.

The moderators are also the second reason why I'm leaving this site. Instead of trying to get the people in this forum out into the real world, they squash any thread which isn't empty theory. Not only this, but I suspect they are not out in the real world all that much myself, judging from the amount of time they waste of this site trying to be funny and flaming people. For example, check out this thread http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64240 where Wyldfire raised a legitimate concern, and the mods simply use the thread as chatroom so they can flirt over the internet :rolleyes: .

Originally posted by The Matrix: Reloaded
It appears that everyone may be in a bit of a regression period and that is fine... but honestly guys, and I mean this with all seriousness... grow up. If you are bored, there are so many other things you could do with your life than come to a website and attempt to make jokes (yes... that goes to my fellow moderators... I am sorry), make everyone feel inferior to their position (even though they are only sixteen years old) and ***** and moan about the smallest part of their lives.
The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I tried to point out that it would help people on this site IMMENSELY to meet up in the real world, the moderators, and other members as well, just responded with immature gay jokes. I didn't flame or insult anyone, my post was polite and respectful, and I think it's ridiculous that the MODERATORS who are supposed to control flaming, all just made gay jokes about me themselves. Don't get me wrong, I make gay jokes all the time with my friends, and they're funny...in the real world. They're lame on an internet discussion forum. Grow up guys.

Another poster who made gay jokes in my thread, Matt Rogers, also sticks out to me as representative of what the sosuave community has become. Do a search on Matt's posts, most of them are about how insecure he is about his looks, and how he's shy and introverted and boring. In short, how he has no social skills and is not happy with himself.

Originally posted by Matt Rogers
lol, diablo. Excellent point-I agree that comment would look more appropriate at sogay.net
...and yet still, rather than consider the one thing which could break him out of the rut of introverted mediocrity which his life has become, he chooses to ridicule it with unwitty gay jokes. Have fun masturbating for the rest of your life Matt, it's what you consummately deserve.

A bunch of guys have PMed me asking to join the Boston lair or to wing with me, and I think that that's really cool. I'd still be up for meeting up with anyone on this site interested in going out in the real world.

I'm sorry if this sounds a little melo-dramatic, but this site was really important to me during my high school years because it gave me the confidence I needed to become who I am today. I'm really reluctant to leave a place which helped me so much, but I don't have anything more to learn from the keyboard jockey infested forums here, which will only get worse because the moderators encourage people to be keyboard jockeys rather than discourage it. I know this will probably draw the obligatory flames and drama-queen jokes from the mods, but this is serious and important to me. Without this site, I wouldn't be confident and outgoing and happy like I am today, I would still be a depressed introverted loser.

I don't doubt the mods will try to kill this by moving it to Anything Else, but I posted it in Discussion first so at least some people would see it before it gets moved. I can only encourage you all one last time to get away from these forums and get into the real world.

Goodbye,
-Dan
 
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xiola

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1. most of the peeps on this board are losers
2. meeting up in real life is gay. Who wants to meet up with a bunch of hardlegs?
3. bye bye

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My 2c. I frequent both mASF and sosuave, and both sites have a core of people with actual game, and a lot of keyboard jockeys. mASF has just as many fakes as sosuave, only instead of giving advice about things they don't know anything about, they post fake field reports that stroke their ego. After reading lots of them, you start to detect which ones are fake and which ones are real.

While mASF has a wealth of amazing information, it really takes the fun out of the game for me. I don't like using other people's canned scripts, hell I don't like using scripts period (unless I'm out with a wing and we're bored). While mASF will teach you a lot of good things, it will make you a robot. Unless you start developing your own scripts/routines like the big names on mASF do, you will prolly never really reach that level of inner game where you feel you've earned everything you've gotten. That was the case for me at least.

As for sosuave, it has its uses. There isn't a lot of information here that hasn't been said before, and there's very little to learn from this place once you've learned the basics. However, I do enjoy coming here to help newcomers who still do not have the ability to solve their own problems. I'd rather do that then post field/lay reports about how I layed some skank I met at a club last week (although FR/LRs can be very educational when they're not fake, and when they're original rather then a reuse of some elvis/powerpuff script)

As for meeting up people from sosuave/masf, it would be cool to sarge with one of the names from there, but I could care less if I don't. I have several awesome peeps as my wingmen, and I really don't need to make friends online in order to function offline if you catch my drift.

Peace out man!
 

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If you're leaving because you feel there is nothing left for you to learn here, then that's fine. If you're leaving because people are making gay jokes about you, then you haven't learned a thing.
 

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Anything Else.

As for the parts of your post about the moderators... we're not re-hashing that idiotic debate again.

As for the rest, your thread about meeting up with guys on this and other sites was moved to Anything Else because that's where it goes. You got mad and said that you thought part of this site was about meeting up with guys in real life. Someone (diablo?) said he thought this site was about meeting up with GIRLS in real life (a funny and true comment), which is what prompted the gay jokes.
 

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Originally posted by Superman X
When I tried to address this problem on the site, the mods killed my posts by moving them to Anything Else. I brought up a serious, legitimate issue, which could really change some guys' lives. After all, most of the guys in our lair would have been perpetual keyboard jockeys had it not been for our meetings.
Don Juan Discussion - Discuss meeting, dating, and attracting women... Your thread was a call to meet other men, not women. Therefore, Anything Else. Actually, it would have been better off in the Wingman Forum (now, if we wanted to 'kill' your thread, wouldn't it make more sense to dump it there instead of in the 2nd most viewed section of our site?)

The moderators are also the second reason why I'm leaving this site. Instead of trying to get the people in this forum out into the real world, they squash any thread which isn't empty theory.
Moving it to the section in which it belongs isn't squashing it.

Not only this, but I suspect they are not out in the real world all that much myself, judging from the amount of time they waste of this site trying to be funny and flaming people.
I could have sworn I've posted thread after thread of pictures from my nights out... :rolleyes:


The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I tried to point out that it would help people on this site IMMENSELY to meet up in the real world, the moderators, and other members as well, just responded with immature gay jokes. I didn't flame or insult anyone, my post was polite and respectful, and I think it's ridiculous that the MODERATORS who are supposed to control flaming, all just made gay jokes about me themselves.
We do have a section of our site devoted to nothing but encouraging members to meet in real life. It's called the "Wingman Forum" (as discussed in my prior reply). If you want to meet with people from the board, why not try to use the section of the board meant for that sole purpose?

As for the "gay jokes", let's review what exactly was said:

Originally posted by Superman X
Mods, meeting guys in the real world is not "Anything Else". Rather, it should be one of the main focuses of this site.
To which I replied:
Originally posted by diablo
Funny, I always thought that one of the main focuses of this site was meeting girls in the real world. Had me fooled.
If what I said was interpreted by you as a gay joke, then I sincerely apologize - however, I stand by what I said 110%. If you believe that the main focus of this site should be meeting men in real life, then that's your perrogative. I believe the exact opposite - that the main focus of this site should be meeting women. All of which I said in a polite and respectful manner.


I'm sorry if this sounds a little melo-dramatic, but this site was really important to me during my high school years because it gave me the confidence I needed to become who I am today ... Without this site, I wouldn't be confident and outgoing and happy like I am today, I would still be a depressed introverted loser.
I'm glad that the site has helped you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 

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Well...

I wonder what happens when the first little drawback to AFC phase hits you...


I started to question why I'm here too even I don't have much to learn anymore...


The answer is, that the guys call you fag amuse me. This is good entertaining. You get some really good laughs from this flaming-nazi-forums where most of people are virgins and they talk like they even have a clue how the ***** feels :D


EDIT: And if you don't know what the word behind those silly stars is, at least then you are a big V :p
 

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Superman, sorry if my joke offended you. I was in no way implying you were gay. It was just your wording was unfortunate which diablo and i picked up on. Leave the site if you feel you have outgrown it, but not because you are offended at a silly joke I made.

While those things you say about me are true, I have made great strides with the support of this website. When I joined I wouldn't have been able to talk to a girl without blushing and stammering. I also was a complete pushover and overly nice and polite to girls. Now I can talk to girls with confidence, have dated a few girls over the years, got a number and a few dates from an easy 9 despite being average looking at best, and have learn to respect and put myself first. I still have insecurities as does everyone-but far less than I used to, and with the help and support of guys on this forum will overcome these.

In fact I thought you had an excellent point-going out with other guys with the intention of meeting chicks is an excellent idea. I just felt that this is addressed in the Wingforum.
 

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well, i think that sosuave is like a boost for newbies, it maybe is bull****, maybe is theory, but hell, i had never had a date in my life, and just after 3 weeks here i got myself one.

it is a GREAT jump start, maybe its just crap, but at least it is motivational crap that makes you want to say "ok..what the f*ck, im gonna go out and look at a girls eye and then talk to her", and thats what most of us newbies need.
 
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