My head's a mess (long) - Need to resolve things one way or another

MrNiceGuy

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Ok, this may be a long post.. last time I visited this forum was many months ago.. now I'm worried I may be about to fall into the same problems I had when I first started visiting here... Essentially I need to work out one way or another where I am with this chick I know, details (mostly rambling) below..

Ok, here's the story, the girl involved is an old friend from uni so that means I've known her 7 years almost (I'm 25). However during all that time I never knew her well at all, she was always a friend of a friend, we never hung out and I only really saw her at big group things. During the last couple of years I didn't really see her at all, then she went off travelling to south america. We chatted a bit on msn while she was away, and I got the odd group email, but that was it. Looks wise, she's hot, VERY, whenever I'm with her I notice guys on the street stopping to look at her all the time... She is however very insecure about it all.

Anyway she came back to england in april and moved to london so we arranged (a big group of us) to all meet for some drinks at the beginning of may. At the end of the evening I said to her it would be cool for us to hang out now she was around, she agreed, and we arranged to meet up the next week, I wasn't thinking of her as a potential gf at this point, and the next time we met I set her up with one of my mates who is a bit of a player... they got it together, but it never went anywhere. During all this time we chatted a bit now and then on msn at work.

Towards the end of may one evening I got home and had a voice message on my phone.. it was from her, saying she'd got hold of a pair of free tickets to a big jazz club in london and asking me if I wanted to go. I called her back said I was sorry I couldn't make it, I already had plans for the saturday, she said "I really wanted you to come, because I wanted to go with someone I knew I could have a good time with, and I always have a good time with you" I suggested we meet up on the friday and left it at that. This was when I first really thought that things seemed.. different,

That friday we met up after work, evening carried on as normal, although I noticed myself using kino on her alot more.. "ahh.. we're just better friends now thats all" I thought.. she said a few things though again that grabbed my attention, the "you're such a great guy, can't believe you don't have a gf" old chestnut, but then stuff like.. "I really like hanging out with you, I really feel like I can relax and completely be myself when I'm with you" By the end of the evening we're both pretty wasted and tired and head to the tube, I can't remember where it came from because I was drunk and not really paying attention but I remember her sigh, and then say "If I had any sense I'd go out with you" this stops me dead in my tracks, but I instantly think, "well its too late for that, we're just friends now" then b4 either of us can do anything about it her train pulls up (she's going south, me north), she says goodbye jumps on and tells me to text her when I get home.. So the whole evening gets me thinking about the possibility of the two us together, but for some reason I can't quite see it.. I also think the whole "If I had any sense..." line is girl talk for "I wish I was sexually attracted to you, cos if I was you'd be the perfect bf, but I'm not"

The next wednesday she pops onto messenger and asks me if I'm busy in the evening. I say no and she invites me to come out for a meal with her and her work friends.. that evening, when she turns up I say "so who am I standing in for then? this is pretty short notice" she says "no one.. we just organised it today as a celebration for this project we've all finished, and I wanted you to be my guest. It's great to see you again." The evening went well, she talks more about how much she likes spending time with me, we had a great time, at one point she looked at me and said..
"I think we'd make a great team"
"how do you mean?"
(pause) "oh, like superheroes"
"so I'm the hero and you're my sidekick right?"
which then leads into a conversation about our enemies, powers etc.. At the end of the evening, we say goodbye, she says what a great time she had, how good it was to see me again etc. and thats that.

The following saturday I'd invited her out for a belated birthday celebration I was having, she agreed but then a couple of days b4 cancelled because of a work thing that had come up, she calls me that evening tho.. I can't remember much about our conversation as I was pretty drunk, but she signs off with "so sorry I can't be there, have a great night, love ya to bits"

Then she had to go up to endinburgh for a load of stuff to do with the G8 summit, so I didn't see her for a few weeks, she got back week b4 last and popped on messenger asked how I was and did I want to go for a drink soon, we arranged to meet up last friday, went out again... much the same as usual.. I said some compliment to her when she came out with some insecure female rubbish, and she says.. "one day I'm going to realise what's in front of me and propose to you" which leads us to decide we'll be getting married if we're both still single at 30, although she revises this up to 35, although we go to see wedding crashers and at the end of the film she asks if we can move it back to 30 again.. She also keeps talking about how well we're getting on, and starts saying "I really love going out with you" I say it's weird how quickly we've started getting on so well, and she reveals that she was thinking about it while she was away, and how it did take a couple of meetings.. Anyway, at the end of the evening we're way down in south london, she asks if I wanna go back to hers get some beers watch a video etc.. But I decide against it, she had to work the next day and I had to get up early to get a train.. however she's talked about how much she wants to come up to camden market next week so I suggest she comes over friday evening stays over then we can go saturday morning. Anyway we eventuallu get to my tube, I'm thinking "lets see if shes really trying to seduce me" so I ask her how far she has to walk.. shall I walk her, is she absoloutely sure? She refuses all offers, spouts out her usual I had a great time, good to see you, and I go home..

Well she cancelled on friday due to work she had to do, and we've rescheduled for the friday coming.. So anyway, you can see my problem, at first she was a mate, now through her constant flattery and so on, I'm starting to think of her as more than that.. Trouble is, while it may read like a complete no-brainer, this girl is nuts, she doesn't know what she wants I'm certainly not her usual type (usually complete jerks, and/or older guys) and she seems to find her job more important than me... I was talking to a friend about it, he said "so, do you think she's got the hots for you?" and I said, "It's weird, if it was anyone but her, I'd say yes, definitely, but its her.. She's totally unpredictable" She always had a close friend male friend at uni, now we're in london I think I may be basically his replacement... She's never called me except once or twice to organise stuff, its always on messenger that she gets in touch.

So I dunno, I'm not even sure what I'm asking, all I know is my heads a mess, I'm not even sure what I want out of things, I'm coming round to the idea of just giving things a try to see what happens, but I'm pretty sceptical.. I guess what I need to do is work out where we are, what we're doing that why I can either forget about the prospect, or make a go of it. When we're together it feels almost like we're a couple, and I'm always surprised by what a great time we have. But I'm worried, I can feel myself slipping dangerously into one-itis territory and I do not want to land myself in that mess again. The other thing messing me up is that I'm pretty worried about sleeping with her, mainly because I have next to no experience in the sack whereas she has plenty.. Sorry this has turned pretty incoherent and rambling but then thats how my heads getting nowadays..
 

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Thankyou.. I need more kick in the ass style encouragement!

I'm still however chock full of the what if she rejects me style insecurities and fears.

Basically whether I like it or not though I've become attracted to her so the only manly thing to do is try it on.. Hopefully she won't flake out on staying over this friday.. have a few beers, if it doesn't work "oh sorry I was drunk, dunno what I was thinking" it all seems too easy...
 

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Sounds so similar to my situation it is scary and I live in the UK as well in London. I have made the choice to make a move on my friend this Tuesday when I meet for drinks. I know that I do not at least try to win her as girlfriend I will regret this all my life. If you do not try you will never know. I would try as well when you see your friend again.
 

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Ok, so i read about half of it.......


Why haven't you kissed her, yet? She's dropping all the signs and you're just dusting them off. WTF?

You're a chump and a pansy. I'm surprised she's still calling you.
 

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Ok, here's something else I realised that is probly important..

Fine I'm scared of rejection, what if she says no etc... simple..

I also realised, I'm scared of her saying YES! Since that's gonna put me in a totally unknown situation.. Basically I've made out with like 3 women in my entire life.. "Relationships" have been non-existent.. and of course sex has been fairly hard to come by too.. So I guess part of me is thinking well.. if things go well I'm gonna be fine up to a point (basically kissing/groping) and then I'm in completely unknown territory...

Part of me also feels like she's way out of my league etc. and I don't stand a chance, but this comes more from my past lack of success with women rather than what I know about me.. I know I'm a great guy and I'm pretty good looking, but I'm not convinced that everyone else sees it.

Also last time I was in a similar situation I had 3 problems,
1) The girl had a bf
2) She clearly wasn't interested
3) (Took me a while to realise this) She was a complete ***** who was only looking out for herself
None of these problems apply here, so I just need to go for it.
 

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Ahhh my eyes hurt after reading all that shiat!!!

Ok here we go, YOU definitely have ONE-ITIS!! BAD!!! I'm going to disagree with the majority here and let you know what the deal is with this chick. I believe she was POTENTIALLY interested in you when she first came back, but NOW you've waited waaaaaaaaaay too long to where she just see's you as a close friend. Yes she has said a few things that make you think she might be interested, but remember its NEVER what a woman says, its what she DOES!!

You are a MAJOR AFC! Look at the way you talk about yourself, "she's outta my league!!" LOL Plenty of guys say that exact line everyday and you know what they all have in common? They're insecure AFC's like you!!

Look its not natural for a guy and girl to just be "good buds." Unless both are involved with someone else and there is no mutal attraction period! You had the right idea when you started kinoing her and move it up a notch. Now go back to that, give her strong EC, notice if she touches you, if she stares at you for longer than usual. If she's doing all this, then FUKIN' KISS HER!! Don't wait until the end of the night, just go for it when she's giving you the sign. You need to read the Bible and stop doubting yourself. Your 25 and you haven't slept with anyone and you say your a good looking guy. You need to stop doubting yourself, and live life.



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Your the kind of guy people are laughing at when they say " if a naked chick fell down from the sky and onto your lap, you wouldn't know what to do with her!"

I agree with Pimp-sicle you waited to long, and her attraction towards you is wearing off. She is slowly realising that you are not mysterious or hard to get but rather an open book with self-esteem issues.

You are afraid of rejection? from a girl you barley knew up to this year?? why because you afraid you are going to lose her? If she is hot as you say she is, a man with bigger balls will swoop down and take her and then you will lose her either way. Worse case scenerio, she rejects you and then you will know there is no point of persuing this chick anymore. I am sure she will be good about "as a friend" to introduce you to her other hot friends (those hot chicks do travel in packs).

Reread the DJ Bible and go back into the woods and make things right.
 

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Everyone's right... If I leave things any longer she will lose interest and I'll be sliding into the same rut I've fallen into in the past, I know what I have to do, making sure I have the balls to do it is a different matter, I've just got to ignore the voice in my head that always tries to talk me out of these sorts of things...

What I have realised over the past few days though is definitely that not only I am worried about rejction (that's an obvious one) but I'm pretty scared of actually ending up in a relationship too...

I mean the first few times we met I considered the idea of her as my girlfriend and decided that wasn't what I wanted, we were better of as friends, its only the past couple of meetings that have swung things and made me want her sexually.. I'll probably start a different (shorter) thread on it.. No need for people to read all this again..

So.. anyway, plan. Make sure to arrange date with her soon.. make sure its just the two of us (have to try and get my flatmate who also knows her out of the flat if she comes over one evening as she hasn't seen him for weeks).. Increase kino, try it on at first opportunity..

Quick question, I'm seeing (as part of a group) a girl who I met a month or so back on wednesday, got on with her well first time I met her, so this time plan on closing deal properly and getting her number with view to arranging date in the future.. If girl 1 asks me about my love life (as she occasionally does) next time I meet her, should I mention this other chick, or not? If I do it maybe makes her think I'm not so interested in her, but.. it may make her jealous.. What I don't want to do, is mention it, not notice any reaction on her part and then take that as meaning shes not interested in me and use it as an excuse not to try anything.

Lastly, yes I have one-itis, but I don't have it bad certainly not by my standards... I've fallen a lot lower than this, but I don't plan on going back there if I can help it.
 
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