Agreed... There's too much extreme thinking in this thread, and **** got all messed up in the process. Jerk game does work, and is different from being an actual jerk, yes. I always say (or used to): develop jerk-like traits without being an actual jerk.BeDJ said:Sh!t son, you would have been the last person I thought would post this. I don't claim to know everything or think I do. My point is - Attractive women respond VERY WELL to jerk game. That's not a claim, it's reality. Denying it means you haven't been out on the battlefield long enough.
Jerk Game is not a PUA gimmick, it's not being an assho|e yourself. Attractive women will sh!t test til no living end. They aren't trying to filter out the assho|es from the nice guys, they are trying to dismiss guys that willingly put up with their bullsh!t and give them the frame. Those OMG's and I CAN'T BELIEVE HE JUST SAID THAT are subtle indicators of submission. There's a reason why people say it over and over again - because that sh!t works. Most guys will try it, get rejected after 10 approaches and detest its validity. HOWEVER, it's not a gimmick, it's a mindset. That's what I meant by courtesy and respect WILL NOT land attractive women. Go out to the battlefield and do it over and over again for half a year and tell me that mindset does not get panties wet. Until you have done so, don't knock it and tell people they are full of sh!t.
Hot girls are definitely on another playing field - which is why most of them are NOT LTR material. They do respond more favorably to the challenge, ****iness, uncertainty, etc, and are not very wise, or of quality. Lot of them are immature, shallow retards, and respond favorably to "bad boys" for the same reasons. All most of them care about is "hot" and "exciting" (and "sex" and "rich"). There's definitely a lot of game-playing and ****-testing involved with them, and they DO seek those with high status and value, and won't take their crap. Agreed. They are also not very nice themselves - they only THINK they are, because they're surrounded by jerks (ie, birds of a feather).
I already experienced both ends of the spectrum, and being nice and courteous in ITSELF is definitely not effective. Nor does being "nice" attract anyone to you. But, it's not a bad thing, either - and a lot of hot girls aren't used to attractive + nice. But you still gotta be all those other "attractive" things, too. They definitely have no interest in boring / shy / passive "nice". That's why I said, it's everything blended together. A well-rounded personality with confidence, strong social skills, and open sexuality is best. But you can still be sweet, and a lot of chicks dig that. But you gotta be interesting and charming, too.
This also ties into the difference between friendships and dating - which, the gap is spread even further with hotties. They're definitely ALL about the attraction game and short-term infatuation and thrills.
I was never a jerk or treated anyone bad, but definitely was ****y and sarcastic in general. Lotta chicks dug the sweetness + challenge + perceived value + social ability + ****y humor. I think, to be a social beast almost means you're not "nice" already.
A lot of this also depends on who you're chasing after and attracting to you. Those hot, out-going, promiscuous, flashy bishes are definitely not gonna dig this, and I could not attract any mean bishes. But a lot of nicer girls were all about it. Of course, I was too weak and submissive at the time, but whatever.
The only reason I called your statement out was because of the claims + absolutes, without any explanation or backing. Just, "anyone who claims this, never did that". Like, WTF?