My date maipulated me - pissed off!

[Young_gun73]

I had my second date with this cute girl. I told her would take her out for appetizers. But the little cues she gave me told me to stand up and walk out.

The first thing she says is "are you cheap?"
After a few hours of drinking and talking she says "When can we eat?"

We order appetizers and she orders a $14 double vodka and an appetizer.

Ok I was little anoyed. $14 for a drink? geez. Then after dinner we shot some pool and she is kissing me, rubbing up on me, sticking her ass in the air and feet. Flirting.
Then after a few hours we both agreed to go back to my place for more drinks. I paid the food and drink bill which was $40 dollars.

So when we get back to my place she calls her family to let her sister in law know what my address is in case anything happened--as if im a serial killer or something. Paranoid type.

Then we talk and laugh for a while and start making out. I put my hands on her ass and the first thing she says is 'Thats not going to happen tonight so watch your hands. I said huh? She says " you have to wait at least 5 dates. I said forget that. Thats when I got annoyed with her and says she used me. I was AFC I know! I told her to get off me. She says how dare you insult me thinking that I would have sex with you on the second date?" Im loooking at her pantyhose which has holes in them and her nasty nasty tattoos. She looked like a 5 dollar *****.

WHAT GIRL IN THE RIGHT STATE OF MIND GOES BACK TO A MANS APARTMENT WITH ALCOHOL IN HER GUT AND SAYS "IT ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT" This is what pisses me off abotu women. Why do women put men through this game and then cut him off at the end.

She was all over me while shooting pool, were both drinking, and she has the audacity to come back to my place---for what? To be friends? GIve me a break.

So anyway she starts putting this guilt trip on me by saying is this im all after and says she is leaving! That I am making her feel uncomfortable.

So I keep my mouth shut, lay on the couch QUIETLY, and watched "Seinfeld" as she is getting her things and getting ready to leave. I shut my mouth and ignored her. She says "Im sorry about this evening." I said "you dont have to be sorry about anything" with a smile on my face. Then she walks out the door. Then 15 minutes later she texts me some BS saying..."i did a 360 on her and she thought she knew me well and was willing to see me more than just a few dates, and didnt expect me to want to have sex on the second date etc, Then she says I dont need anyone paying for her dinners and that she lives in a 2000 sq ft house, etc. I IGNORED ALL HER TEXTS.

I havent heard from her since. What a whackjob. Wasting my time and money.

Anyway the next night I called another girl to come over for drinks and had some good sex tonight. Piss on that other girl.

Do you guys have to deal with manipulative b*tches like this?

 

[piday314]

$14 is pretty typical for an alcoholic beverage...did you give off vibes like you could pay for this kind of drink easily? If so, then you only have yourself to blame. If not, she may be quietly testing the size of your bank account.

And you way overreacted on the ass thing, imo. If you played it smooth, she might have had sex with you within an hour. But instead, you blew up like a two-pump chump. Next time, just chuckle and say "is that so? Alright then." And then smile at her. Then keep pushing up on her other boundaries.

 

[Iceberg]

You really flipped out there didn't you?

If you just played it cool you probably could have banged her by the next date. Maybe even that night.

A girl I took home about 2 months ago played the "We shouldn't have sex. We haven't even gone on a date yet" thing on me. I'm like, "That's cool. No big deal." After about 20 minutes, she was on top of me.

Especially with women, actions speak louder than words. She's in YOUR house, making out with YOU. She's saying that you should wait 5 dates. Her actions take you back to your house, alone together after 2 dates. If she were really so pure, she wouldn't be there. If you left things on a good note that night, obviously next time things will escalate.

And yes it was a d**k move on her part to order a $14 drink. But a $40 tab overall for two grownups is pretty damn good in reality.

 

[KarmaSutra]

You let your feminine emotions override your masculine desire.

You fell right into her game. You fvcking rewarded her bad behavior by paying for her drinks and food.

What would've made her pvssy tingle would have been if you'd taken a $5 bill out of your wallet, set it on the table, told her to go fvck herself, then go to the bar and immediately flirt with a woman hotter than she.

You'd have had your pick of her holes to bang, as long as you wanted to bang it. And she would've adored you for it.

 

[Jariel]

You sound like a typical "nice guy". That is, a guy who does favours for women, pays for them, gives them gifts and treats them nice, but only because you want something in return.

You're basically doing these things with an ulterior motive. You chose to spend that money on her. She owes you nothing and the fact that you held these favours over her like a debt is actually pretty underhanded.

This is one of the reasons girls hate "nice guys".

Yeah, she was out of order letting you pay for everything and it sounds like she was showing you a fair amount of disrespect. It could've been a sh!t test where she wanted to see how far she could push you, how much you would do for her, and you failed.

I've done it before myself and been really p!ssed off too, but on reflection I realised I could've said no at any time, I didn't have to do favours or pay for her, and I only had myself to blame really.

 

[PokerStar]

you had it! you just let it slip through your fingers.

Learn from this, so the next time a chick gives you a sh!t test, you will smash right through it.

Keep your cool and never let your emotions get the best of you.

 

[cordoncordon]

$40 for drinks and food with a date? You got off easy bro. That is cheap as hell.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Keep your cool and never let your emotions get the best of you.

Indeed! That is the one biggest lesson that the OP needs to learn.

I put my hands on her ass and the first thing she says is 'Thats not going to happen tonight so watch your hands. I said huh? She says " you have to wait at least 5 dates.

This is from an old post of mine, notice the similarity. At the time, I had just brought a girl home from a first date after paying for everything, just like you.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1251118&postcount=99

We stopped making out to go to the bedroom, then she abruptly halted, and said, "No! You have to leave.....now." But drawing on experience, I knew what was going on. She was afraid of fvcking on the first date, typical ASD. My ex, the one we saw tonight, actually kicked me out like this on our first date, to avoid the fvck-on-the-first-date stigma. The ex later told me she did it because she wanted me to call again. So when my date tonight did it, I was like, "oh, ok" and shrugged my shoulders like it was no big deal at all. I smiled and told her that I understood, and that it was actually a compliment. When I turned to put my shoes on, she grabbed me by the sleeve, said "oh come on," and pulled me into the bedroom.

Notice the difference. I didn't take her words at a literal level, at least enough to be offended. She said yes, and then no, and finally yes...and she meant it each time. All that matters is the last yes. But it won't happen if you lose your cool.

 

[KarmaSutra]

$40 for drinks and food with a date? You got off easy bro. That is cheap as hell.

Bullsh!t.

Never go over $20 on a meet-and-greet.

It sets a bad precedent and makes you out to be another guy willing to pay for her attention.

She has to earn everything, immediately and from the get-go.

Coffeeshops are always the first place I meet a woman for our first. Coffeehouses are ripe with other potential hot women (which amps up her own anxiety, especially when you're well known there), minimally invasive on the wallet, and it's conducive to relaxation.

I reward good behavior in women. If she's a good girl, she gets a scone and a refill.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

People are coming down a little harsh on the OP, but I his name is fitting in this situation.

First off, your right about one thing, this chick is low quality, manipulative and use to sucking the life and $$$ out of most chumps that come her way.

With that said, you should never pay too much attention to what a girl says, instead watch her actions. I have probably repeated that about 1000x times in the past few years in my responses here.

Just use this as a valuable lesson to not let your emotions cloud your judgment. Its good that you realize this chick wasn't worth your time, but as someone else already said, you could have easily laid her if you would have kept your cool.

Lastly, date multiple women at the same time so that you are 1) always getting sex 2) become the selector rather than one of many contestants.

Brush it off, move on, no need to contact her and try to start over because she knows your a sucker and won't respect. If you do, expect this same song and dance.




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[Pimp-sicle]

Indeed! That is the one biggest lesson that the OP needs to learn.





This is from an old post of mine, notice the similarity. At the time, I had just brought a girl home from a first date after paying for everything, just like you.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1251118&postcount=99



Notice the difference. I didn't take her words at a literal level, at least enough to be offended. She said yes, and then no, and finally yes...and she meant it each time. All that matters is the last yes. But it won't happen if you lose your cool.

I should have read all the replies before I responded, Bible hit it on the head! Money post and this is E-X-A-C-T-L-Y how you should behave when your in this situation again OP.




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[Pimp-sicle]

Bullsh!t.

Never go over $20 on a meet-and-greet.

It sets a bad precedent and makes you out to be another guy willing to pay for her attention.

She has to earn everything, immediately and from the get-go.

Coffeeshops are always the first place I meet a woman for our first. Coffeehouses are ripe with other potential hot women (which amps up her own anxiety, especially when you're well known there), minimally invasive on the wallet, and it's conducive to relaxation.

I reward good behavior in women. If she's a good girl, she gets a scone and a refill.

I agree, $40 on a first date is ridiculous, and $14 vodka? **** that! I would've asked for separate bills with a caddy byatch like that.

I'm personally not a big fan of coffee on a first date, I need more stimulation, something going on to be able to entertain me because most chicks talk too damn much about absolutely nothing..... lol






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[cordoncordon]

Bullsh!t.

Never go over $20 on a meet-and-greet.

It sets a bad precedent and makes you out to be another guy willing to pay for her attention.

She has to earn everything, immediately and from the get-go.

Coffeeshops are always the first place I meet a woman for our first. Coffeehouses are ripe with other potential hot women (which amps up her own anxiety, especially when you're well known there), minimally invasive on the wallet, and it's conducive to relaxation.

I reward good behavior in women. If she's a good girl, she gets a scone and a refill.

Screw that. What's $40 lol? Seriously? You are going to quibble over $40 and not get laid? You guys that are talking about $40 like it is some giant expenditure. Cmon...its FORTY DOLLARS. Granted, I make a good living, but $40 to get laid? That is cheap cheap cheap.

If I meet a new girl, I don't do coffee and scones. Do you want some skinny jeans with that coffee karma? A good book? Maybe an emo haircut?

Hell no. I take a new girl out? I take her to a bar or lounge. So we can drink. So she will let her guard down. So we can vibe. So we will SEX. The only things a coffee shop will get you is the number to a good hair stylist.

 

[Igetit!]

You made this EXACT SAME THREAD just 4 days ago here....http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1769625#post1769625,but whatever.

I'll post the same thing I said there here....





Originally posed by Igetit!

Dude,I don't know if you're young and inexperienced,or just plain naive,but you made a flat out FOOL out of yourself.



You say that she manipulated you? Dude you.....you just don't get it.


She didn't manipulate you,you just didn't know what you were doing in the face of a little token resistance. You couldn't even see what was going on.


Let's examine some things in your thread....

:
Hey guys,

I had a second date with this woman.

On our second date I took her out for appetizers and drinks at a hotel.
We were kissing, cuddling, and being flirtiatious.The next we were playing pool, I was grabbing her butt, she was sticking her butt into me, and everything was great. I paid the bill which was $40. I thought I was going to get laid.

Ok,here you said that you thought that you were going to get laid. Based on what,the forty bucks you spent? Who told you to shell out that kind of money to begin with?


That's what she meant when she said that you "insulted" her,and she was RIGHT. When she told you that she wasn't going to have sex with you that night,you go and bring up the amount of money you spent on her as if you spending money obligates her to sleep with you.


If that was the case,then why even bother going for appetizers and drinks. Why waste time doing that when you could have just handed her 2 twenty dollar bills and go straight to the bedroom.



I bet you didn't even understand what she meant when she said that you were insulting her,did you?

Anyway, we had vodka drinks and sat on the couch and kissed. Then we got hot and heavy. Next thing I know she is sitting on my lap and ive got her pantyhose off and my hands on her butt.

Then she pops the 7 dreaded words...."We will not be having sex tonight."

Ok,look at this....


You two were kissing and making out. Things were getting "hot and heavy" between you two. Then she told you that you two wouldn't be having sex that night......and you believed her,lol?


You should have just said "ok" and CONTINUED kissing her with your hand under her shirt. Instead,you made the ROOKIE MISTAKE of using logic to try to pursuade her otherwise.


All you did was basically call her a prostitute and made her feel DISRESPECTED. Yeah,I said DISRESPECTED. A woman wants to have sex with a guy because she CHOOSES TO. You made her feel as if she OWED sex to you,as if she had no choice in the matter because of the money you spent,like the money was a binding contract or something.

I said huh? She said "I have to wait at least 5 dates before sex. I told her sex on the 2nd date or 28th date is not a precurser to how successful a relationship will be in the end. She says "im insulting her." I then said "you come back to my place to tell me your not going to have sex after what happened earlier? I dropped $40 and now your going to play me?"

I agree with HER.

Everything was going fine,then when she threw a little resistance your way,you throw a tantrum. What you said may have been true and right,but tell me,did your "discussion" about how many dates to wait for sex and you telling her how much money you spent on her,did telling her these things get her all hot and horny for you?


When you said "I spent $40 on you tonight",did it get her all in the mood and make her throw herself at you? You need to learn some patience dude.

Sometimes women are SO STUPID.

What the....? She's stupid? LOL.

Why would a girl waste a mans time, kiss a guy, be all over him, be sexual---and then cut the cord by NOT wanting to have sex when its there right in front of them?

Dude,you've GOT TO BE YOUNG. Look,at first everything was going fine. Then when things started to progress,she said the "we're not having sex tonight" thing,right?



Uh.......HELLO????


IF SHE SAID "we're not having sex tonight",then that means the thought of having sex with you was ON HER MIND. SHE WAS THINKING about having sex with you. That little comment of hers was just LMR creeping up.



All you had to do was be cool. I can't believe you actually mentioned the dollar amount you spent on her in response to last minute resistance,lol.
Boy,just when I thought I've heard it all .



All you had to do was escalate. This wasn't a ONS/wham bam thank you mam type thing,this was a SECOND DATE,which meant a potential relationship was budding. She was ALREADY THINKING ABOUT SEX,all she needed was you to gently lead her there.


Just be a bit more patient man.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Hell no. I take a new girl out? I take her to a bar or lounge. So we can drink. So she will let her guard down.

What's more sad than you blowing your week's pay on some broad's attention, is getting her all fvcked up so she doesn't have clarity to tell you, "No.".

I bet you've slipped a b!tch a mickey a time or two to guarantee your pee-pee gets a little wet.

My skills do not rely on how much I can force a dollar bill down her throat, or who can out-drink each other to a drunken stupor.

She comes to my place willingly and without the hangover guilt your slags have.

 

[runner83]

You really flipped out there didn't you?

If you just played it cool you probably could have banged her by the next date. Maybe even that night.

A girl I took home about 2 months ago played the "We shouldn't have sex. We haven't even gone on a date yet" thing on me. I'm like, "That's cool. No big deal." After about 20 minutes, she was on top of me.

Especially with women, actions speak louder than words. She's in YOUR house, making out with YOU. She's saying that you should wait 5 dates. Her actions take you back to your house, alone together after 2 dates. If she were really so pure, she wouldn't be there. If you left things on a good note that night, obviously next time things will escalate.

And yes it was a d**k move on her part to order a $14 drink. But a $40 tab overall for two grownups is pretty damn good in reality.

Exactly. And that's why I have it in my sig.

Instead of flipping out and making her feel like a cheap slvt and talking about the money you spent, you should just have said "ok" and kept making out.

And you probably would have banged her later that night, or on the next date.

Women says a lot of things...ignore what they say and focus on their actions instead.


Fact is, she didn't manipulate you. You manipulated her like a typical creepy nice guy by equating the money you spent on her to an obligation for her to have s*x with you.

And she saw it and made a run for it - can't say I blame her!

 

[cordoncordon]

What's more sad than you blowing your week's pay on some broad's attention, is getting her all fvcked up so she doesn't have clarity to tell you, "No.".

I bet you've slipped a b!tch a mickey a time or two to guarantee your pee-pee gets a little wet.

My skills do not rely on how much I can force a dollar bill down her throat, or who can out-drink each other to a drunken stupor.

She comes to my place willingly and without the hangover guilt your slags have.

I made high 6 figures last year. This year I will pay over $250,000 in taxes to the govt. for something I never use or see. That is what I call a waste. But that is for another topic. Spending $40 to relax, have a few drinks, and get laid with a girl I'm interested in? That is like paying me imo. Cheap ass.

As for slipping a girl something, considering I've never done a drug in my life, well, I smoked a joint twice, that would be kinda hard to do. Wouldn't even know how to go about obtaining a "mickey".

And in case you haven't noticed, I've been in a 2 year relationship, her pic I have posted numerous times on here. But, when I was single, and if i was single again, I certainly wouldn't quibble over $40 and spend my time and money in a gay ass coffee shop. Tell me, did you have problems slipping into your skinny jeans this morning karma?

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

This poster has a history of posting eccentric stories. Troll-ish.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Bullsh!t.

Never go over $20 on a meet-and-greet.

It sets a bad precedent and makes you out to be another guy willing to pay for her attention.

She has to earn everything, immediately and from the get-go.

Coffeeshops are always the first place I meet a woman for our first. Coffeehouses are ripe with other potential hot women (which amps up her own anxiety, especially when you're well known there), minimally invasive on the wallet, and it's conducive to relaxation.

I reward good behavior in women. If she's a good girl, she gets a scone and a refill.

He didn't do a meet-and-greet. His mistake was that he went on a date, and considering they went to a food place, HE DID GET OFF CHEAP! High price for a meet and greet, but this clearly wasn't, as he seemed to be paying for her time.

Not that I would do that. I agree with you, coffee meet and greet until I feel she has earned or I feel compelled to spend more time with her; usually after we've had sex.

Yet another example you don't go out on "dates".

 

[KarmaSutra]

I made high 6 figures last year. This year I will pay over $250,000 in taxes to the govt. for something I never use or see. That is what I call a waste. But that is for another topic. Spending $40 to relax, have a few drinks, and get laid with a girl I'm interested in? That is like paying me imo. Cheap ass.

Trying to parlay your "wealth" isn't going to buy my attention any more than than it would one of the barfly skanks I'd never give a glance.

And in case you haven't noticed, I've been in a 2 year relationship, her pic I have posted numerous times on here. But, when I was single, and if i was single again, I certainly wouldn't quibble over $40 and spend my time and money in a gay ass coffee shop. Tell me, did you have problems slipping into your skinny jeans this morning karma?

I haven't noticed. I couldn't give a good-goddamn about you. Didn't last time I spent any amount of time here, and certainly not now. You haven't changed at all. Still a b!tch who uses the green dots under your moniker as some kind of masculine representation.

Ask your cvnt if she was able to get back into her jeans, after the sore ass I left her to go back to you with.