My date cancels on me for her ex (in a sneaky way)

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I've been on a few short, harmless dates with a HB8, and she seemed super sweet and into me. She even paid for some of the dates (and we wrestled over it.) She isn't a very good texter, but she does have a busy life. Anyway, because she's not very good at texting, or just doesn't put ugh effort into it, I don't put much effort into it either. On our last date, she said that she had a really nice time, and I didn't respond. She pretended to be mad at me the next day in a super adorable way.

Anyway, I said that I would call her early last night and that we'd work something out. She didn't pick up when I called, but she called me back 30 minutes later, because that's when she ended up getting off.

This is when things get super peculiar. So I asked her if she wanted to be picked up or meet for drinks (which was her idea) and she said that she gave her ID to her sister. This was weird, because she had two days notice that we were going out last night. I figured that she just didn't want to be drunk around me because she'd pull something too fast (I'm an optimistic bastard.) I said it was no big deal, and that we should grab coffee and cause trouble, because I'm a lightweight anyway. She laughed, but said that she was tired and smelly from work. I said that she could have time to get ready and to call me back if she decided she was too tired.

She then texts me ten minutes later that her babysitter cancelled on her. I didn't reply, as I assumed the date was off, and this sort of confirmed my suspicions about her reluctance and dropping all those excuses earlier. However, she then texts me thirty minutes later and told me that she found another sitter, so I called her. To be clear, I called her only two minutes after she sent the text, but the brat didn't pick up her phone, and she didn't call me back until twenty minutes later.

I assumed that she had been getting ready, but when I brought our night up, she started peddling more goddamn excuses, so I acted like I didn't care and that it was no big deal. In reality, I felt like I was getting mindraped. She said that she really wanted to go out though and that tomorrow would be better. When I agreed to tomorrow, she said "wait, I have this thing tomorrow." (which was tonight.)

At this point, I think she must have picked up on my confusion, because she said in a really cautious voice, "I know it seems like I'm canceling our plans..." and I interrupted her, telling her that she was canceling them. She became super sweet though and suggested special Tuesday drinks. I said "great, talk to you Tuesday." I see her Monday though, and she picked up on this, and I simply joked about ignoring her in mock anger like she had done to me after not responding to her text after our last date.

She was a bit more quiet though, but the call ended decently. Anyway, today I go onto Facebook, and I see a post from her babysitter saying that she my date had gone out on a hot date with her ex (her baby's father.) This was about an hour after I last spoke to her on the phone last night. edit: and note, we weren't dating exclusively, so it's not cheating. I'm asking how to handle her canceling on me for her ex.

And thus my question: I want to continue dating this girl, and I made the initial mistake of valuing her too highly. So my question to you is, how do I handle this? At first, I had the passive aggressive urge to like the status that betrayed her sneakiness and then completely ignore her Monday, but that certainly wouldn't get me any closer to establishing anything sexual. Or would it?

So, Sosuave, how do I come off as alpha in this scenario? I want her to know I noticed what she actually did, but I want her to favor me over him, even though he has a head start. I am pretty sure that I'm more of a catch then her ex, but I really only have his Facebook information to judge. Nevertheless, I'd really appreciate any advice on how to respond.
 

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Shes not interested in you. Dump her now! Or be a chump and date some wh@re!

EDIT: Okay, didnt mean to sound like an a$$hole. But, look at the facts! Shes canceling dates and seeing other guys behind your back. Shes lying to you, proect your heart an run away!!
 

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Yes, okay, but then what's the best way to dump this girl? Do I respond to the Facebook thing and tell her that she would have had a better time with me? Do I just ignore her from this point? Do I call her and tell her? Do I tell her Monday?

edit: Oh haha, and no problem, sir. You didn't come off as an jerk, because she made a acted like a fool. Ideally though, I'd like to continue keep in touch this girl and try to squeeze some benefits out of this mess. She's cute, and chill.
 

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Lilt said:
Yes, okay, but then what's the best way to dump this girl? Do I respond to the Facebook thing and tell her that she would have had a better time with me? Do I just ignore her from this point? Do I call her and tell her? Do I tell her Monday?
Dont contact her until she calls or txts you. Then, you can say, I'm not into dating slvts and its time for me to move on and hang up!







Or something like that :D
 

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Hmm, well we were never dating exclusively. I mean, I would be okay with her seeing somebody else. I wouldn't like it, granted, but I wouldn't be pissed. I'm irritated right now because she cancelled on me to see this guy. I think letting her contact me is the best initial decision though, thanks.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I hope you ALL read this and take to heart and file it away in your brain what I've said time and time again...SINGLE MOMS PLAY GAMES WORSE THEN NON-SINGLE MOMS. it seems @$$ backwards because you'd think they being a single mom would make them more responsible, more respectful of people's time, etc BUT the fact of the matter is it's just the opposite. their life revolves around their stupid kid(s), their ex(I don't give a d@mn what she told you about him, he still will always rank higher then you), their job, their cat, their car, their neighbor, their parents, their friends....then you fall somewhere down the line. some of you guys preach on and on about how "easy" single moms are to bang but it begs the question...."why waste time on pursuing such women with baggage when you can easily find women that don't come with such baggage and games and foolishness?" It has been my experience that no matter what the girl tells you, they still and will ALWAYS have feelings with the guy that knocked them up. sure he might be a crappy father, a low-life loser scum-bag but she still values him more then you. why waste your time on some stretched out puzzy, saggy tits, and stretch marks when you can put all your effort into a girl with a nice body that mother nature hasn't fvcked beyond repair.
 

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I hope you ALL read this and take to heart and file it away in your brain what I've said time and time again...SINGLE MOMS PLAY GAMES WORSE THEN NON-SINGLE MOMS. it seems @$$ backwards because you'd think they being a single mom would make them more responsible, more respectful of people's time, etc BUT the fact of the matter is it's just the opposite. their life revolves around their stupid kid(s), their ex(I don't give a d@mn what she told you about him, he still will always rank higher then you), their job, their cat, their car, their neighbor, their parents, their friends....then you fall somewhere down the line. some of you guys preach on and on about how "easy" single moms are to bang but it begs the question...."why waste time on pursuing such women with baggage when you can easily find women that don't come with such baggage and games and foolishness?" It has been my experience that no matter what the girl tells you, they still and will ALWAYS have feelings with the guy that knocked them up. sure he might be a crappy father, a low-life loser scum-bag but she still values him more then you. why waste your time on some stretched out puzzy, saggy tits, and stretch marks when you can put all your effort into a girl with a nice body that mother nature hasn't fvcked beyond repair.

Yep, my philosphy too.

In the wild, the first thing that a male African lion does when he takes over a pride is to kill all the cubs of his predecessor.

Lions' got the right idea, dude.
 

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"my date had gone out on a hot date with her ex (her baby's father)."

WTF are you doing?!

RUN.
 

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baby mamma = drama

And the other posters got it right, wait for her to contact you. That said, even if this goes somewhere I'm thinking limit it to pump & dump.
 

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OP, as tempting as it is to like or comment on that FB post, it's the wrong move. Don't do it.

As for what to do, do nothing! She canceled on you and was all sketch. You will not raise her IL by chasing her or being a B on FB. Do nothing. If she is interested, she'll reschedule.
 

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Lilt said:
Yes, okay, but then what's the best way to dump this girl? Do I respond to the Facebook thing and tell her that she would have had a better time with me? Do I just ignore her from this point? Do I call her and tell her? Do I tell her Monday?
Well, you definitely don't respond to the Facebook thing. That's over-dramatic and weird. Like, "I'm watching you, b*tch!!!"

You don't call her and tell her either. That doesn't accomplish anything. It just makes you look emotional and needy.

You could go ahead and ignore her. I mean, who wants to deal with this kind of drama. Kids. Babysitters. Ex's. Doesn't seem worth it...

Anyway, if I'm being honest....I can tell that you haven't even had sex with this woman yet. So basically, from my standpoint, you're over-invested in a girl who has given you nothing. The time you're spending on texting her, dating her, and worrying about who else she's dating could be spent meeting 4 or 5 girls who actually contribute something to your life.
 

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All good advice, guys, thanks. So then I'll just drop it, and work on new opportunities. And yes, I haven't had sex with her and was definitely over-invested. She was very cute, not just attractive. Anyway, when we normally go out after I'm off work, I'll just ask somebody else and leave her hanging. Good plan? I would have definitely done something petty and needy if not for your advice lol.
 

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Well, you definitely don't respond to the Facebook thing. That's over-dramatic and weird. Like, "I'm watching you, b*tch!!!"

You don't call her and tell her either. That doesn't accomplish anything. It just makes you look emotional and needy.

You could go ahead and ignore her. I mean, who wants to deal with this kind of drama. Kids. Babysitters. Ex's. Doesn't seem worth it...

Anyway, if I'm being honest....I can tell that you haven't even had sex with this woman yet. So basically, from my standpoint, you're over-invested in a girl who has given you nothing. The time you're spending on texting her, dating her, and worrying about who else she's dating could be spent meeting 4 or 5 girls who actually contribute something to your life.
ha! you'd be surprised...
 

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Lilt said:
All good advice, guys, thanks. So then I'll just drop it, and work on new opportunities. And yes, I haven't had sex with her and was definitely over-invested. She was very cute, not just attractive. Anyway, when we normally go out after I'm off work, I'll just ask somebody else and leave her hanging. Good plan? I would have definitely done something petty and needy if not for your advice lol.
The thing people usually don't get about this "No Contact" advice is...it's not about leaving a girl hanging. It's not about showing her that you can get other dates. It's about moving on.

I'm not advising you to ignore her as punishment. I'm advising you to do this because she's more trouble than she's worth. Think of it as a bad investment. You're not "punishing" the investment by leaving. You're saying, "This isn't going to work." and moving forward.

Hey, maybe (repeat: MAYBE) your lack of interest will spark something in her. But unless that spark guides her directly into your bedroom, I'd ignore it. You've already devoted enough time to dates, chatting, etc....and gotten nothing in return.
 

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Not to bash the OP, but its threads like these why I seldom post anymore

The over analzying, the "tactic" of trying to get her back or spark her "IL". All this is b.s.

I can tell from OP that he was "smitten" with the girl, he probably wasn't use to talking to a beaitufiul woman like her. HB8 pfffft, get rid of that pedestalizing mindset it's all toxic. What makes a "8" different then a "7" her ass is a fraction curvier? her tits a 3 centimeters more on point? seriosuly get rid of the HB thing

Secondly, there is part of me that relates to the OP though, I use to be that guy over analzying everything. I just couldn't get it through my thick skull that a lot of women simply don't give a ****. I was on skout (online dating app) and a girl was complaning that she got 49 messages yet no response on her pics. THe girl was average at best and got 49 messages yet this wasn't good enough for her, she needed the validation of her pics to let her know she was "pretty" of course a couple suckers took the bait. These women your dealing with have so many emotions that you are disposbal whether you like it or not.

Then you realize that a lot of women are straight up shady, not all but a lot of the onces that are discussed here. Last week I had a chick telling me she wanted to suck my c*** and cook me some roast. I never met the chick. I was vexed about it? why PRIDE. That's it my ego got the best of me.

Look I get it you wanna strike back, heck I wanted too but realize it doesn't matter these broads now a days are ruthless. If she truly cared she wouldn't have flaked.
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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Haha, I won't deny that, although I said HB8 from a detached perspective. She is my type, so she's higher in my opinion, and I was a bit smitten. Also, sorry about the excessive analysis; I hope I don't detract you from giving advice to others.
 

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Run for the hills!

Women play games with guys who don't make them wet. Even older women and single moms and milfs play games, and a whole lot more of them!!!

The fact that she's cancelling on you is a HUGE RED FLAG!!!

Beyond a reasonable doubt, Judge nismo is glad you had dates with this hb8. The ball is in her court.

Thank you Lilt! But your princess is in another castle!

Case closed. :rock:
 
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