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Sorry if this sort of post doesn't really belong here, but I thought it was a good idea this morning when I got up. Since I started reading the material here, I've found myself bursting with ideas related to the field; some of them big, small, abstract and even nonsensical. I've also worried myself over "getting tired" with this site like a passing fad -- it's something I've done plenty of times with other online communities and I think it's from sitting so long quietly without developing some familiarity with the people in it, lurking and never posting a thing, never actually BECOMING part of the community. So, if this is the wrong spot I'm sure a moderator wouldn't mind moving it for me, otherwise I'd like to keep most of these random thoughts here in this thread, posting on a daily basis at least, and if you think any of the topics are interesting then post something, if you think they're retarded then post that, either way let's get to know each other.

Today's thought:

Almost the minute I got up out of bed, a conversation I had with a friend popped into my mind. This guy, when we were kids, was a natural with the ladies and pretty much always had a girlfriend or some sordid story from a party to tell. He even had a girlfriend who was like 4 years older than him that paid for pretty much ALL his stuff, it was like he was on the pedestal and she was the AFC. I always chalked this up to his good looks -- an athletic build and perpetual tan -- giving him loads of confidence. When I was 16 I'd think to myself I wish I could be more like this guy!

But, fast forward a few years after high school, and one night while we're both drunk he starts pouring his heart out about how he doesn't understand girls at all, how it used to be so easy for him, and he lamented over his lack of job, car, or schooling past high-school as all of these reasons he couldn't approach females. I said "Man I live right next to the biggest college in town, just go pretend to be a student for a while and you can talk to girls fine," but of course, just the way I had never taken my own advice, he didn't have the confidence to do it either.

"I'm not even a student over there, they'd know I was faking" he said sullenly, I remember this specifically because even then before I really understood anything about AFCs and DJs, I remember thinking "wow, in his head he's giving them some kind of super powers now, how could he NOT be intimidated by girls if he thinks he can they can all somehow read his mind!"

The best explanation I've gotten that I think sums it up was in a youtube video, which I can't find anymore, but the gist of it was this: "People who have an easy time with women early, because of looks or money or whatever, tend to become complacent and neglect to self improve, meanwhile people who have to work to achieve success will continue to do that, and as they begin to shine brighter the high-school natural will begin to fade and tarnish because they thought it would stay easy forever." (if anyone knows what I'm talking give me a link please, would like to find it again)

I can even apply this logic in a reverse fashion to academics; I used to get A's in every class in HS without so much as cracking a book, and oh man did that complacency **** me hard when I got to college.

So what do you guys think? How does a man's confidence erode away like that? It's such a stark memory to me now because I realize from this place how little your nice car or having all that money actually matters. Has anyone else out there found themselves in my friend's shoes? How the hell should he go about picking himself up and getting over his problems?
 

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couple of approaches from today, nothing impressive but I haven't actually gone out and tried in so long it felt good.

I started out heading to a bookstore across town, because I felt I could be comfortable in a bookstore and also I had a book I wanted to get anyway, I figured if I found a girl to approach that I could ask her to recommend a book, and it wouldn't be fake because I do like to read good books anyway. Unfortunately every girl there was escorted by a guy (like freaking bodyguards wtf!), or was a grey-haired grandma. Even the employees were old women or male, so there wasn't anyone to approach. I bought my book and went across the street for lunch, determined to still talk to a girl somewhere before I went home even if it wasn't where I planned.

So cut to the cute waitress that brings my food over, the obvious next stop, and I think I did okay. Not great, but at least okay.

We smiled at each other before she got to my table, and I said "Hi" first, although it came out at the same time as she said "How are you today?" so it immediately tipped towards awkward. As she was about to leave here's what happened:

Her: Anything else I can get you?
Me: (I hesitated with the smile still on my face for a second. I wanted to say "Your number" but I just couldn't dive that deep so soon) Yeah, there is something. What's your favorite book?
Her: (She looks quizzically at me and her smile shrinks) book?
Me: Yeah, I'm going over to the bookstore across the street in a bit and I'm looking for a recommendation. (I couldn't think of anything else but my pre-formed book opener from before!)
Her: Oh well I uh (she smiles really wide, I notice her braces are cute and I think I spent too much time looking at her smile rather than her eyes) I don't really read books much. Oh! but there is one I was wanting to get, I wrote it down...
(she pulls out her phone and fiddles with it for a moment) The Outsiders.
Me: Oh, hey that's a good book, I read that in high school. **
Her: Oh, you've read it already? It's good?
Me: Yeah it's a good read. (awkward silence) So, The Outsiders, is that all you got for me?
Her: Yeah (she smiles again and then wanders off)

** This is where I personally think I messed up the biggest, after analyzing it in my head while I ate. I started talking about myself for real instead of flirting, and I ended up putting the conversation into a brick wall instead of bouncing it back her way. Although I supposed it at least left her an opening to re-approach me with another book recommendation, I didn't talk to her again. Maybe I could have said something like "Okay I'll trust you on this, if it's good though I'm gonna want another recommendation out of you so you should give me your phone number before I go."

On the way home I said **** that's not enough practice, so I pulled up to a fast food joint and decided to be charming for the drive through lady. I didn't have much in my mind to say and a line of cars behind me, and I didn't really WANT her number or anything either, just chatting practice. Before I left I just asked her abruptly, as she was closing the window

Me: HEY! Wait a second.
Her: Yes? (she's smiling, I'm smiling. I'm looking her in the eyes but she probably couldn't tell, I had sunglasses on)
Me: Are you a dog person or a cat person?
Her: (smile fades, she looks wicked confused) uh.. a dog person. (she tilts her head as if to ask wtf?)
Me: Alright, no reason. (drive off)

I could have kept being funny with her here, I realized after I pulled away. Maybe something like "Well your groomer is excellent, you look just like a normal person to me!" or "Oh really? Can I see your tail?" or something like that. I've got to work on being more clever but hell, the dog/cat thing just popped in my head as she opened the window.

Lastly I stopped at a gas station right before home. My DQ drink was way too sweet and I thought I'd try my book line on the cashier on the way out anyway.

Irritatingly, everyone in the damn place lined up straight behind me when I approached the counter, and I just couldn't do it with an audience like that so I ended up chickening out on the third try.

Everyone feel free to advise.
 

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Closer To The Heart said:
So what do you guys think? How does a man's confidence erode away like that? It's such a stark memory to me now because I realize from this place how little your nice car or having all that money actually matters. Has anyone else out there found themselves in my friend's shoes? How the hell should he go about picking himself up and getting over his problems?
Dude get him on this site, make him read the bible, it could well help him, there's good stuff in there as you know. Reading has helped me, also the 8 week crash course to DJ I'm starting that out. :)
 

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As to the second post, you're trying, that's good. Have a look in the archives for the 8 week programme. Don't worry so much about it
 
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