My D1 went too logical - how not to be logical?

[escaleraroyal]

Guys, thanks for the inputs. It's helping and it motivates me to go out and get more dates.


Reference:
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One time a friend of mine told me PU only works on tourists, new girls to the country, and girls with mental issues. I had a feeling he was right but I never confirmed this until today.


Had another date today:
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I was walking at the supermarket aisle and I saw a cute girl (7.5/10 in my scale) but I didn't want to use the classic opener "I saw you from over there and thought you were cute....blah blah blah", instead I opened with "Hey, Happy New Year" and to my surprise she is receptive and she starts to giggle lol. I can't really remember everything what I talked about, but I used a little bit of Bacchus' stuffs. "I can't believe is already 2017..."


We talked for 2-3 minutes and we moved to Starbucks. It was very suspicious she wanted to come to Starbucks so quickly. (I don't think it's instant attraction)
Got a drink, and we sat next to each other.
She told me she has social anxiety, eczema, and she is very curious.


During the conversation I think there was good eye contact, light touching, good conversation, and not as boring as Sunday's date, but it was still a little logical. Looks like I cannot get away from the logical conversation yet.
After 35 minutes of conversation, she suggested to walked around the mall. She looks at her cell phone and she has a missed call from her sister, she calls her sister and after she finishes the call she had to go. She asked for my contact and I give it to her. I got home and texted her and she replied. I have a feeling she has ADHD or some kind of disorder. We will see what happens.

 

[C00lAF]

Good glad you have a life worthy of stories so you have nothing to worry about... and you don't have to lie. As far as me, I'm happy with my life, and not ashamed of anything I've done.

Dont get me wrong,im not saying that i lie every time,sometimes they ask stupid questions that you actually have to bull**** sometimes.its like an english essay,asking you to write the reasons why you love flowers,but infact you despise them.

 

[RangerMIke]

Dont get me wrong,im not saying that i lie every time,sometimes they ask stupid questions that you actually have to bull**** sometimes.its like an english essay,asking you to write the reasons why you love flowers,but infact you despise them.

Just advice... take it or leave it. But women always know when you are not being authentic. But really I don't care about them, I do care about myself and my own integrity. So much of my opinion on things focuses on self awareness and self improvement. And I do truly believe that you can create a new belief system in yourself and literally will yourself into a better person. The mind leads the body.... if you believe you are an attractive in shape man, even if you are physically NOT, just this belief will instill you with the discipline to turn that belief into reality. It is the power of positive thinking and it is real.

When you lie to women, you create in your mind that you are a dishonest person, and this belief will stick to you like stink on sh!t. When you lie you are admitting to yourself that who you are is not good enough, and you lie to other people because you 'care' about their opinion of you. If you want to be successful with women, then you MUST adopt a 'I don't give a fvck' attitude. You can not do that if you are surrendering your integrity in this interest of impressing others.

If a woman asks you a question that you do not want to answer then just tell her that you are not ready to share that, or better, make a joke of it and get her to laugh without answering the question. Example: a woman asks "How many women have you slept with?" Answer: "Well a couple of years ago I slept with a couple of dozen women in one night.... I fell asleep in an airport terminal waiting for my next flight... there was at least 25 women at that terminal."

Trust me, she will respect you more than if you make up some BS story that she will immediately pick up on as not authentic. A woman can not develop any feeling for you if she does not respect you.

 

[C00lAF]

Just advice... take it or leave it. But women always know when you are not being authentic. But really I don't care about them, I do care about myself and my own integrity. So much of my opinion on things focuses on self awareness and self improvement. And I do truly believe that you can create a new belief system in yourself and literally will yourself into a better person. The mind leads the body.... if you believe you are an attractive in shape man, even if you are physically NOT, just this belief will instill you with the discipline to turn that belief into reality. It is the power of positive thinking and it is real.

When you lie to women, you create in your mind that you are a dishonest person, and this belief will stick to you like stink on sh!t. When you lie you are admitting to yourself that who you are is not good enough, and you lie to other people because you 'care' about their opinion of you. If you want to be successful with women, then you MUST adopt a 'I don't give a fvck' attitude. You can not do that if you are surrendering your integrity in this interest of impressing others.

If a woman asks you a question that you do not want to answer then just tell her that you are not ready to share that, or better, make a joke of it and get her to laugh without answering the question. Example: a woman asks "How many women have you slept with?" Answer: "Well a couple of years ago I slept with a couple of dozen women in one night.... I fell asleep in an airport terminal waiting for my next flight... there was at least 25 women at that terminal."

Trust me, she will respect you more than if you make up some BS story that she will immediately pick up on as not authentic. A woman can not develop any feeling for you if she does not respect you.

Will do,thanks for the insights bro

 

[escaleraroyal]

Another date:
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I saw her at the yogurt section, she look fine from behind. But face wise not so good. (6/10 in my scale). I said "Hi, how are you". She smiled and said 'hi' back and started a conversation from there. Talked about 2016 and 2017.

Told her to go to Starbucks to sit and chat more, she says she had to finish her grocery shopping. I took her hand and show her the way. She insisted to finish shopping and I said I will wait for her outside. She finished paying and we head to Starbucks.

We sit next to each other. This time I was being less logical, light touches, eye contact. By some point I got turned off, I think she was just a 6 and was not attractive enough. Talked for 45 minutes. She sees the time and says she has to go. We exchanged number and I say to her to meet on Saturday, she says to text her. I left.

 

[devilkingx2]

for me, most of the things i say are to get a reaction out of the people i'm talking to, as a result i say wacky **** like:

(actual conversation)

her: what are your new years resolutions?
me: Ima rob more banks, it'll help my street cred and chicks dig that bad boy stuff
her: you're still not over that?
me: It's not just a phase it's who I am mom!!
her: [laughs]

note: not my actual mom

 

[devilkingx2]

Alot of people say "be yourself". We all know that's dumba$$ advice.... be yourself but tighten a few screws up here and there to make yourself interesting.

be yourself means don't try to impersonate a celebrity or pretend to be a millionaire to get girls because it wouldn't work without an incredible amount of setup and planning. that's the main context where it's useful.

so essentially it means something like "don't run your PUA routines so mechanically that it's obvious you're reading from a script"

 

[devilkingx2]

Just advice... take it or leave it. But women always know when you are not being authentic. But really I don't care about them, I do care about myself and my own integrity. So much of my opinion on things focuses on self awareness and self improvement. And I do truly believe that you can create a new belief system in yourself and literally will yourself into a better person. The mind leads the body.... if you believe you are an attractive in shape man, even if you are physically NOT, just this belief will instill you with the discipline to turn that belief into reality. It is the power of positive thinking and it is real.

imo women aren't psychics, just like men aren't. unless you're a cartoonishly bad liar with obvious ticks, or a complete moron who tells obviously fake stories ("this one time i met taylor swift and we made out on the spot, love at first sight, but then she had to go on tour and i never saw her again") she won't actually know you're lying.

i'd say outright completely 100% fabricating a nonsense story isn't something you should ever do, however fudging the details on an existing story is okay if you want to make the story better, or if the story actually happened but to someone you know rather than to you personally.

if you're going to come up with a story that's completely fictitious, then make it obvious that it's just a made up story by taking it to 11 and making it completely ridiculous and unbelievable but deliver it with a straight face ("so i was on a mission with my buddies in the CIA when suddenly president obama calls me up and tells me that the space nazis have genetically engineered a super hitler on the moon and....")

obviously having your own exciting stories that don't need editing is always best, but real life isn't an action movie so most people wouldn't have a million stories to tell unless they're old or live a particularly stressful life

 

[RangerMIke]

imo women aren't psychics, just like men aren't.

You are right... there is no such thing as psychics.... it's all a bunch of BS.

But it is a proven scientific fact that women notice detail much better than men... have a MUCH better memory and recall. Which makes yhem VERY intuitive. If you tell her a story she will remember every detail and if she asks you to repeat it to her friends... and you don't gwt every detail right... your a liar. But when you first meet a woman she's not really paying that much attention to what you are saying... she is reading your body language.... intuitively.

If you are on a date... why whould you lie... she already likes you otherwise she wouldn't be out with you, besides she should be doing most of the talking while you build rapport on what she is saying. It doesn't have to be a great story. You just have to connect with her, that's it and if you somehow build an emotional connection on a lie you will get foynd out and BTW it's stupid because you do not impress women with what you say only what you do.

If you knew just how intuitive women are you wouldn't even dream of lying to them. The chances are if you've been telling tall tales and having success with chick doing it she likely alreay knows you BSed her and she liked you anyway. Women know men lie and the look out for it like skilled detectives.

 

[devilkingx2]

You are right... there is no such thing as psychics.... it's all a bunch of BS.

But it is a proven scientific fact that women notice detail much better than men... have a MUCH better memory and recall. Which makes yhem VERY intuitive. If you tell her a story she will remember every detail and if she asks you to repeat it to her friends... and you don't gwt every detail right... your a liar. But when you first meet a woman she's not really paying that much attention to what you are saying... she is reading your body language.... intuitively.

so... why exactly would you want to date a woman who hears a funny story, then wants you to repeat it to her friends in exact detail, and thinks you're a liar if you didn't memorize it robotically? she doesn't sound like much fun to me imo (if she would do any of that she takes things way too seriously)

If you knew just how intuitive women are you wouldn't even dream of lying to them. The chances are if you've been telling tall tales and having success with chick doing it she likely alreay knows you BSed her and she liked you anyway. Women know men lie and the look out for it like skilled detectives.

women are women fam, they're not magical beings of mystical wonder. a man has to study for years to become a detective but a woman is intuitively born with the skill? how does that work?

 

[RangerMIke]

so... why exactly would you want to date a woman who hears a funny story, then wants you to repeat it to her friends in exact detail, and thinks you're a liar if you didn't memorize it robotically? she doesn't sound like much fun to me imo (if she would do any of that she takes things way too seriously)

women are women fam, they're not magical beings of mystical wonder. a man has to study for years to become a detective but a woman is intuitively born with the skill? how does that work?

Clearly you do not know much about women... they share everything with their friends. When they are in a club what do you think they talk about in the fvcking bathroom. They deconstruct every fvcking thing you say.

I don't give a rats fvcking @ss if you think I am full of sh!t... you just go ahead and believe women are dence and you can lie to them and they won't know. I honestly do not care if you believe me or but please fvcking read the words I'm typing....I never SAID women are magical you... I said they are intuitive... and if you do not believe me I really don't care... I offer advice... take it or leave it.

 

[devilkingx2]

Clearly you do not know much about women... they share everything with their friends. When they are in a club what do you think they talk about in the fvcking bathroom. They deconstruct every fvcking thing you say.

I don't give a rats fvcking @ss if you think I am full of sh!t... you just go ahead and believe women are dence and you can lie to them and they won't know. I honestly do not care if you believe me or but please fvcking read the words I'm typing....I never SAID women are magical you... I said they are intuitive... and if you do not believe me I really don't care... I offer advice... take it or leave it.

relax dude.

i'm not saying all women are dumb and i'm not calling you a liar, i'm just saying that they don't come with built in lie detectors. they will only know if you're lying if you make a mistake that isn't covered by the benefit of the doubt

 

[EyeBRollin]

Don't do a "business" style date like coffee, for one thing

Coffee dates are fine for the 1st meeting.

The trick for not being logical is to ask open ended questions. After she blabs about her opinion, follow up with another on what she just said. After about 10 minutes of blabbing she'll feel like she's doing all the talking (she is) and try to ask you a question. Make a joke out of it and deflect. Tease her. Be playful. Then go back to asking her questions.

Go on a lot of dates. Once you do it enough its second nature.

 

[ubercat]

Not sure about that one. I used to do coffee dates. I found it a lot easier to escalate at night. I think a lot of girls associate alcohol with sex. So if they agree to meet you for drinks it's at least slightly on their mind. I think somewhere that combines that with activities like pool or darts or bowling is worth a try. It also gives you the opportunity to see if she will offer to buy the next round. And of course she gets the negative opportunity to next herself by trying to upgrade to free dinner. By the way at that point I normally say I've made a great blah blah blah got some in the fridge you up for it. Nothing to lose at that point go for broke because she's downgraded herself to pump and dump.

 

[RangerMIke]

relax dude.

i'm not saying all women are dumb and i'm not calling you a liar, i'm just saying that they don't come with built in lie detectors. they will only know if you're lying if you make a mistake that isn't covered by the benefit of the doubt

And I'm not saying they are psychics and lie detectors.... you were putting words in my mouth. But women are remarkably intuitive. And if you tell a woman something that is not 100% true you better believe she will know. You may get lucky and fool her once or twice... but you should always have in the back of you mind you are not fooling anyone.

She will, especially if she is hot, get hit on a dozen times a week... minimum. They get LOTS of interaction with dudes telling them stories. It's not magic... it's practice and the fact that most men, by and large, really don't know how to hide body lauguage indicators they are lying. It's all subconscious with women since they are emotional creatures it's intuitive rather than rational. If you ask a chick how she knew a dude was lying to her she wouldn't be able to tell you.

Men could do this too, but we just do not develop this skill because we have to work hard to keep detailed attention on things... a trait the chicks just have naturally. There have been countless studies on this and it is a proven fact that women are significantly better at details and retention.

One study was 10 men and 10 women were put in a room supposedly waiting for a psychological test they were to be given in 15 minutes. The real test was in the room... when they were taken out they were asked to recall with detail as much as they could remember from the waiting room. On average men remember 3 things, women on average remember 18.

When the test was repeated with a new set of subjects they were told up front they were going to be tested on what was in the room. Men averaged about what women did intuitively, 19. Women practically had the whole room memorized.

So it is possible for men to get to a point where they are just as good as women reading body lauguage but dudes have to work at it and pay attention.

This is an example of what goes on inside a man and woman's brain intuitively when they meet a potential mate:

Woman: He's wearing a faux-leather Tommy Hilfiger jacket... white shirt with cuff links... looks like he's had the shirt on all day. Wrangler straight leg jeans... acid washed, no belt but he doesn't need one because they they fit him and they look clean. Shoes... Johnson Murphy casual suede. No jewery except a college ring... no wedding ring or cheater marks. Nice hair cut, greying on the sides. Teeth white and straight. Nice smile good looking, he's in good shape. Likely single with a good job... let's see where this goes.

Man: She's hot... I would fvck her.

 

[escaleraroyal]

Thanks guys for the input.

Another question for the "Attraction masters":
I'm able to create instant attraction when I first talk to her. However attraction dissipates after 10 seconds.

I tried the following to keep the attraction going:
* Silent and eye contact
* Escalate Touching
* Talk anything that comes to my mind

None of those three worked. Need help to keep attraction going. Thanks

 

[escaleraroyal]

Thanks guys for the input.


Another question for the "Attraction masters":
I'm able to create instant attraction when I first talk to her. However attraction dissipates after 10 seconds.


I tried the following to keep the attraction going:
* Silent and eye contact
* Escalate Touching
* Talk anything that comes to my mind


None of those three worked. Need help to keep attraction going. Thanks

 

[devilkingx2]

Thanks guys for the input.


Another question for the "Attraction masters":
I'm able to create instant attraction when I first talk to her. However attraction dissipates after 10 seconds.


I tried the following to keep the attraction going:
* Silent and eye contact
* Escalate Touching
* Talk anything that comes to my mind


None of those three worked. Need help to keep attraction going. Thanks

how do you know that it only lasted for 10 seconds? maybe we should start with how you define attraction?

as a general rule, if you fail to make her attracted initially there probably isn't anything you can do to fix that (however, as long as she's willing to continue going out on dates with you, it's possible you just haven't had enough time to build attraction yet)

 

[escaleraroyal]

devilkingx2: Attraction: Long eye contact, she is ok with my touch , she doesn't run away, doggy bowl eyes.
Then after talking for 10 - 30 secnds. she looks she is bored or something.

 

[devilkingx2]

devilkingx2: Attraction: Long eye contact, she is ok with my touch , she doesn't run away, doggy bowl eyes.
Then after talking for 10 - 30 secnds. she looks she is bored or something.

well i mean yeah, you can't stare into each other's eyes forever right? if you ever get it to last more than 10 seconds that's a good time for a kiss