My body hates beer

[ketostix]

Str8up, each yeast strain produces various levels of byproducts, some of which create flavors but can also cause headaches/hangover problems for the drinker. I dont want to debate this but certain American lagers are the same quality or better as micros and imports regardless of whether someone likes the taste or not. Certain people's opinion about taste is not fact in regard to quality of the brewing process.

http://www.beer-brewing.com/beer-brewing/brewers_yeast/yeast_byproducts.htm

 

[OzyBoy]

I absolutely LOVE beer, but beer hates me for some reason.

When I am drinking it I feel bloated and tired. It dehydrates the hell out of me. The next day I usually have at least a mild hangover even from only three or so drinks.

Different alcoholic beverages have different properties that can cause intolerance. Just so happens to be that the only thing I personally can tolerate is good vodka. Took me almost 20 years of drinking to figure this out!

I am just the same. The last time i had about 4-5 beers over about 4-5 hours i was sick shortly after. So i only have 2-3 maximum and sometimes i still feel a little off with that as well but usually not sick. :d

 

[STR8UP]

Str8up, each yeast strain produces various levels of byproducts, some of which create flavors but can also cause headaches/hangover problems for the drinker. I dont want to debate this but certain American lagers are the same quality or better as micros and imports regardless of whether someone likes the taste or not. Certain people's opinion about taste is not fact in regard to quality of the brewing process.

http://www.beer-brewing.com/beer-brewing/brewers_yeast/yeast_byproducts.htm

I stand corrected.

What I should have stated is that the PRIMARY byproducts of beer are CO2 and alcohol.

As far as the "quality" issue goes, I don't think anyone is saying that they are lower quality as you would compare a $12 a gallon house paint to say a $25 a gallon paint. The $12 a gallon paint isn't as durable, the $25 paint is guranteed for 20 years. That's not what we are comparing here.

My whole issue is with people who are afraid to try new things. I HATED beer until an older friend of mine who had been in the military in Germany introduced me to wheat beer. After that, I was hooked. Before that I had tried to choke down that Busch in a can in the parking lot after work, but to me it was absolutely disgusting.

Now I wouldn't call Bud, Miller Lite, and Coors "disgusting", but to me they taste pretty much like carbonated water with a splash of beer. It kind of flies in the face of what beer had evolved into over the course of a few thousand years, which was a flavorful beverage with character. Of course even the lighter flavored beers from around the world (like Kirin Ichiban, for example) actually have something that I would consider to be character. An individual taste.

To me "real" beer is beer that has a distinct flavor. The really cheap American stuff like PBR and Busch and stuff is nothing more than cheap swill. The other stuff like Bud, Miller, etc. doesn't taste BAD, it's that it just doesn't TASTE. It's like in the Wonder bread example. Wonder bread has no character. I doesn't taste BAD (matter of fact I prefer it with grilled cheese!) but given the choice I will take a bread that actually ADDS a dimension to my sandwich, like a whole grain, a potato bread, cuban bread, pretty much anything but the stuff only the people in the US will eat.

Like I said.....if you like it, that's cool. You just can't deny that it doesn't have much going for it to excite your senses as some of the micro brews and imports do, and I don't drink beer simply to get drunk, I drink it to savor the experience.

 

[ketostix]

I stand corrected.

What I should have stated is that the PRIMARY byproducts of beer are CO2 and alcohol.

As far as the "quality" issue goes, I don't think anyone is saying that they are lower quality as you would compare a $12 a gallon house paint to say a $25 a gallon paint. The $12 a gallon paint isn't as durable, the $25 paint is guranteed for 20 years. That's not what we are comparing here.

My whole issue is with people who are afraid to try new things. I HATED beer until an older friend of mine who had been in the military in Germany introduced me to wheat beer. After that, I was hooked. Before that I had tried to choke down that Busch in a can in the parking lot after work, but to me it was absolutely disgusting.

Now I wouldn't call Bud, Miller Lite, and Coors "disgusting", but to me they taste pretty much like carbonated water with a splash of beer. It kind of flies in the face of what beer had evolved into over the course of a few thousand years, which was a flavorful beverage with character. Of course even the lighter flavored beers from around the world (like Kirin Ichiban, for example) actually have something that I would consider to be character. An individual taste.

To me "real" beer is beer that has a distinct flavor. The really cheap American stuff like PBR and Busch and stuff is nothing more than cheap swill. The other stuff like Bud, Miller, etc. doesn't taste BAD, it's that it just doesn't TASTE. It's like in the Wonder bread example. Wonder bread has no character. I doesn't taste BAD (matter of fact I prefer it with grilled cheese!) but given the choice I will take a bread that actually ADDS a dimension to my sandwich, like a whole grain, a potato bread, cuban bread, pretty much anything but the stuff only the people in the US will eat.

Like I said.....if you like it, that's cool. You just can't deny that it doesn't have much going for it to excite your senses as some of the micro brews and imports do, and I don't drink beer simply to get drunk, I drink it to savor the experience.

Mostly what I was responding to is not so much what you were saying as the, "American beers are all crap.." statements that's often parroted, which is an uninformed statement. I wouldn't say American pale lagers have a great taste or much taste really, but that's by design. That's not the same thing as a bad taste or crap. It's how they're designed to taste.

I wouldn't put Miller Lite, any light beer, or really any Miller product in the same class as the "premium" beers Budweiser and Coors original. As far as the cheaper american beers than Bud and Coors original, they're not designed as anything but to be cheap and I don't drink them. But as far as quality of ingredients and the brewing process, Bud and Coors are pretty decent.

I've tried many types of beers and there's several that I like the taste of. And if I were just going to drink one or two for the taste experience they're best for that purpose. But as I was saying the taste of a brew is because of all the byproducts of the brewing process and these chemicals aren't always compatible with drinking in quantity for a lot of people. Beers like Bud and Coors were designed to be more drinkable in quanity and are brewed with tight quality controls. What I was getting at is taste and flavor or personal taste preference isn't an indicator of quality ingredients and quality control in the brewing. Some of the most wholesome and quality food and beverages can be bland.

I would say that modern beers like lagers and pilsners that the big American styles are patterned after aren't that much older in europe than they are in America. With few exceptions, beer prior to the 1800's was mostly hit or miss in quality regardless of where it was from.