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No wonder I'm an alcoholic.

The girl who's been giving me the runaround for the last year and half, and despite repeated LJBF's speeches (and subsequent "but I'm confused" speeches), and numerous "NEXT"ing on my part, and just as many "I'm so sorry, I need you in my life!" conversations on her part two months after those, and just about every headgame in the book, and I, had sex a few weeks ago. Yes, it was awkward, and no, it wasn't worth the wait, but I still wanted to continue on that path. I don't think it's even possible for something like that, given the circumstances, to have not been awkard and unrewarding at this point, but it should get better later, right? She (and it sounded relucatant, as though she thought she'd beat me to the punch) pulled another "I want to stay friends, because it just seems awkward." line, and I countered with a "No deal, ma'am!" rebuttal. Well, actually I just said, "I don't want to be just friends with you, because we've been down that road, and it just doesn't work for me.".

She said "Let's get together and talk about it.".

Well, five get-togethers later, and we've broken no ground. Just a lot of awkwardness. It's like it's too much for either of us to deal with. All I've learned is that she still had/has feelings for her ex, although I think she had a reality check when she realized that he HAS in fact moved on, that she doesn't understand why anyone would be so interested in her, as every guy just wants a one night stand, an f-buddy, or to just be friends, and that she thinks I've had a thing for her going back 6 years. That last part is actually the other way around, because she was the one flirting with me all these years, even when she had a bf, she was the one to persue me when she was single, she was the one to ask for my phone number, she was the one to tell my friends that she wanted to fvck me/that she liked me/that she thought I was cute, whatknot, ect.... I only really began to have any feelings for her after she made these things apparent.

So, the last time I saw her was last friday. She was out with her friends at the bar, and I was out alone. It was the usual wierd night. Some fat lesbian came over, put her hands all over her, and invited her and her friends over to their table, and she flat out said "No. I don't want to.". She noticed me laughing to myself.

Then various dumbasses kept trying to hit on her, despite my presence. None of them seemed to get anywhere, and she turned to me and said the wierdest thing. "I don't know why I even bother with men... besides you." What? "Well, they're all a bunch of meatheads, and you're not. You're smarter than they are.".

I guess she was calling me a woman.

Anyway, by the end of the night it looked almost certain that we were gonna go off to fvck, but sure enough, when we got outside she went absolutely cold and said she was going home. Granted, she had to drive her friend home, but I'm sure she could have gotten a ride home with the random guy she was making out with in the parking lot. I just stood there, like a confused child who recently had his teddybear taken away. I could have gotten more aggressive, but instead I half-arsedly went in for a kiss after we hugged. I think I got the side of her mouth or something, and she told me to stop being wierd. Oops and stuff.

Then I got into my car, drove over to hers, made a further ass out of myself, and she told me again that she was going home. Keep in mind, I wasn't begging or anything, just kinda sat there and looked at her. So I went home and b1ched to my roommate. Another fun filled friday night complete.

I don't really get it. She's all over me one minute, then cold as ice the next. Her friends all like me, so that's not a problem. The one she was driving home even said to me that she would have a talk with her about it. Obvious drunk talk, but even so, she hits on me too. Nobody understands it. There's so much obvious sexual tension between the two of us that it's suffocating. It ends up going nowhere. I'm tired of people telling me that they don't understand our relationship.

The other day I received this email:

"hey there. what's good? i haven't been ignoring you...i just needed a little break (*1). we should probably get together soon. there are some things we need to talk about. not bad...just things (*2). huh...guess who's talking to me again? 3 guesses...first 2 don't count...(*3)
sincerely
MM"

*1- I didn't notice that she might have been ignoring me. I only saw her 3 days prior.
*2- What?
*3- Umm... I sorta fvcked one of her friends a while back, and they're on speaking terms again. Am I supposed to care?

So I tried getting together with her last night. "Long day at work, call me tomorrow."

She ended up calling me first, and cancelled.

"I'm sick.... feeling a little better than I did earlier... but not feeling up to it... maybe tomorrow, but I'm going out with a friend around 4, and you know how that is."

4 doesn't work. I work too late. I kept trying to pry it out of her, what it is she wanted to talk about and why she's being all serious, and I kept getting long periods of silence, and finally a "It's nothing."

Why must you be so confusing?

"I dunno... I confuse myself. Maybe we can still get together at some point tomorrow. I'm really not sure what's going on. We'll play it by ear. TTY."

I think she's on her period anyway (she's about on time with my roommate on this matter... don't ask me why I know this), so that's no fun.

Whatever. I don't understand women. I'm not entirely sure why I'm posting this here either. Everytime I've gotten anywhere with girls has been when I completely ignore all these "DJ rules", and that damned bible everyone's always talking about. I'm expecting a few "NEXT her"'s and a couple "You're in the friendzone" replies. Too bad that gumball machine advice never gets me anywhere. I'm not looking for one-night-stands or the like. I honestly don't want anyone else, and she still shows signs of interest.
 

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Yeah.. The bible sucks for actually getting girls to like you.. I've been there too it doesn't make girls want you it's just forcing you to next girls who bring this sh!t into your life. It'll make you happier but it will never make a girl like you.

I've only gotten with girls when I ignored the bible too.. I'd just go total AFC and sexually agressive at the same time so the chick can't give it too much thought.. And that would get me something. Hey, I'm only 20 though so not sure if I have the best advice. What I do know is your confusing her as well so nothing evil is going on. It's awkward because it IS awkward. She probally thinks you just want to be friends, tell her you don't and then just fvcking forget her.

Just tell the chick EXACTLY (no bible games) what you want and then stop talking to her. The ball will be in her court.. if she doesn't give you any play after that then you know she's not interested in the same things as you. Mabye a little more value in your life wouldn't hurt either.. she'll feel less guilty about doing anything with you.

If she does try meeting up with you after that.. just go all out on her or you'll probally regret it latter. lol.. just keep going unless she screams rape.. but only after you've told her what you want and she knows.. or that's not actually fair to her and would count as rape.
 

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The girl who's been giving me the runaround for the last year and half

ok.. nvm let me be more specific.

last year and half


C'mon man, you spent a year and a half worth of headaches when you could've easily been having headaches over some other girl lol.

and yeah you may be sick of advice and all that non sense about what you should or shouldnt do..

but something in life you are going to have to understand is acceptance, thats in everything not just "game"..

and you just gotta accept that this ***** is crazy, i mean go out, have fun whenever w/ her.. but if she wigs out man, drop her.. time to get your head straight..she isnt anything special.
 

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She's playing games. Drop her, quick. A year and a half is WAY too frickin' long to be wasting time on something like this.

Sorry, I know enough about "oneitis" from personal experience to see a guy who's being tossed around by a crazy-ass chick.

NEXT


btw: "WOLFMAN GOT NARDS!"
 

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Haha, I noticed that she moved my picture down a couple spots on her myspace top 8, and swapped me with a band. I'll never understand stupid **** like that.

Yeah, **** it. I'm gonna go out with the boys this weekend. She's just gonna avoid this "talk" think into the ground.
 

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Dude... Drop her... You are wasting your time that could be spent on another girl... When you find someone more compatable, you are going to think, why... why the HELL did I waste so much time on that girl...

Your time is more importnant than her.

Please put her on ignore...

Once again, DROP HER!
 

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Dude, WTF. You should have said NEXT a long time ago.

She is toying with you. And you are playing in big time. It's the common push pull, think about it. She gives you small IOI's to pull you in, and then goes cold and pushes you away when you try to advance. Have you not read anything on this site??

My advice. NEXT, and approach more women, date around. You sound like you really need to be getting out there, and I promise you, you WILL meet better women and forget about this one!
 

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Yeah yeah, I know. It's not like I haven't tried. I've even gone to the lengths of openly insulting her in public, and saying things to her friends that made them hate her, then two months later she always pops up and grovels to me that she wants to spend time with me. Usually I'm in such great spirits at that point that I can do no wrong. Then I fall for her again, act like a chump again, and flip out again. Ad nausum. Only this time, I haven't wigged out yet. I used to send the most hilarious, dillusional text messages and whatever to her. Now it's like she expects this, but never gets it.

Last time I hung out with her she was trying to make plans for a month from now. I said "But what if you do something to piss me off again between now and then?" and she said, "That won't happen.". I don't know what that's supposed to mean.

And I don't think that there really is anyone else that I'm more compatible with, or even find as attractive as her. Every girl I've ever bothered with has bored me to death. I'm not exactly the most down to earth person myself. We kinda fit together, in our own crazy little way.

I'm just gonna back off for now. It's business as usual, until she gets her head out of her ass and tells me what the hell's going on.
 

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monster squad said:
Yeah yeah, I know. It's not like I haven't tried. I've even gone to the lengths of openly insulting her in public, and saying things to her friends that made them hate her.....................................
Umm...did you try not answering your phone? Did you try ignoring her and letting her go?

monster squad said:
Last time I hung out with her she was trying to make plans for a month from now. I said "But what if you do something to piss me off again between now and then?" and she said, "That won't happen.". I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
Read my above statment. Also, this means she is giving you HOPE..aka "reeling you in again" just to throw you back. Get it?

monster squad said:
And I don't think that there really is anyone else that I'm more compatible with, or even find as attractive as her. Every girl I've ever bothered with has bored me to death. I'm not exactly the most down to earth person myself. We kinda fit together, in our own crazy little way.
Let me ask you this, and PLEASE be honest. Have you had a relationship in between these times when your out of contact? You said that you would break contact w/her and then she would come back (after a couple months) to you and you would fall for her again. It just sounds like your not "romanticaly" active in between your contact flings with her. Be honest with yourself, are you getting any romantic fulfillment in between?

I had the same EXACT situation happen to me when I was 19. My gf moved away when I was 17, and she totally screwed her whole life up. We kept in touch until I was 19. I was so AFC I never got ANY attention from females! I was a virgin as well. To make a long story short, she got kicked out and came back to where I lived. I got her a place to stay. I knew she was bad news, but I was so desperate that I ended up with her anyways. I did all kinds of stupid **** trying to please her and get our relationship "right". Well, then I realized eventually, after she stole from my friends and sucked me dry of money, there was no way to make us "right" again. I dumped her and within a week she was sleeping with another guy. But thats when I learned, and I never got desperate again. But thanks to THIS site, I have girls asking ME to lunch and I haven't been "hung" on a chick since.

Dude, respect yourself. You are more than an emotional punching bag.
 

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Her mind is telling her to be with you cause she thinks you are a great guy. BUT, she doesn't have that gut level attraction for you. That's why there is so much confusion going on with her. She really wants to want you but it just ain't happening and she feels bad about dropping you out of her life. She's not a bad person but I doubt she's ever gonna feel about you the way you want her to. Like everyone else said you need to put some distance between you and her and date other girls. Absence makes the heart grow fond................
 

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You make it so "complicated" by playing her game.

Let's say that she's playing monopoly, and her dice rolled 6... and she tells you "oh! damn! it's six! We'll have to move 6 spaces... oh no! we(I) landed on the -lose- space!"

You can either a)tell her to go fvck herself, because SHE rolled those dice and it's she who loses, b)cry along with her, c)play some fun stuff like soccer (your game, your rules).
 

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Personally, i think the bible sucks aswell. It all seems to be like a chain reaction. "if i do this, it will lead to this". Attraction...no no no, LIFE, doesnt work like that.

Second of all, i think you've got so wrapped up into the bible that you're trying to analyse every statement, every move, and every gesture she makes - so you can find the perfect move to do next so she will fall lovingly into your arms.

First thing you should do: STOP ANALYSING HER!!!
And if you are going to analyse her, at least do it the right way. Forget what she says. A girls statements pretty much always contradict her actions.
"i hate this guy" yet she stays with him
"i could never be with a guy like you", yet she ends up riding him till the sun comes up.
Pay attention to her actions. If she wants you, she will give you hints. If she REALLY wants you, she'll drop even bigger hints.
I've always been shocked by a girls confidence when she wants a guy, but you see it all the time. On national geographic it's always the woman lion who flashes her bumbum to the alpha lion. Coincidence? Nope. You gotta demonstrate you're the one to have!

Now you may be taking everything she does/says a hint. Well, a bit of tough love here - you seem kind of desperate. It seems like you've picked the woman role here, and you're the one asking "what did she mean by that?".
That question is the womans job.

In short? You seem like a great guy, ON YOUR TERMS!!!
On her terms? You're just there hanging around

So what can you do about it?
1) Decide that you're not playing these games no more. As much as you love analysing. As much as you love that glimmer of hope - DECIDE to stop it

2) Focus your energy on something that will be worth while to you. She seems to be filling an empty space. But other girls can do that for you aswell. It is a fun little game. I know, ive been there. When a girl has been like that with been, i've been dying to break her and wanting to scream to her JUST SAY WHAT YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!!
It doesn't work like that. and im sure ur finding that out.

Anyway, i'm sure you know by everyones response she isn't worth it. By us saying that though isn't enough. You gotta realise it yourself.

Good luck with it!!
 
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